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White Sapote 'Dade' and 'Kampong'

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Jaz starts with ...
Hi,

Does anyone have any experience with the 'Dade' variety of White Sapote?

There's one for sale in a 400mm pot and I'm considering purchasing it.

I'm also considering the 'Kampong' variety and I'd also love an opinion on this variety.

Thank you!

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VF says...
I can confirm that Kampong is precocious and is self-pollinating. I got a young plant earlier this year, and it flowered it's head off for a couple of months and has set plenty of fruit. (Don't know about taste yet.) If I get a chance, I'll try and post a picture in next couple of days.
Sorry, can't help with Dade.
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John Mc says...
There's conflicting reviews on Dade. Mine hasn't fruited yet so can't give you first hand experience.
I've heard it can be pretty ordinary, but others say it's reported to have good quality fruit, highly self fertile and compact.
Jason has first hand experience with them.
My Kampong is similar to VF's, very precocious, might have to thin the flowers.
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Jason says...
I don't like Dade but I think those sapotes with wooly leaf genes do not flavour correctly in cold climates.

Smathers is a pure wooly leaf I have and its terrible but those that grow it in Florida say its great... A few years ago I loved the variety Chris but now I find its flavour overpowering, I don't know if its changed or I've changed. Anyway the Chris is cropping very heavy this year so its lucky the wife likes them, no one else in my family can deal with that one at the moment because of the strong flavour.. So weird, here's a picture I took tonight, some of the biggest sapotes I've grown.
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Jason says...
And the tree "Chris"
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BJ says...
My jealousy at those in fruit fly free zones still bubbles away. I've had to switch to annona, but have kept two White Sapotes - Kampong, which is a freak, and a GG with Sunrise grafted on. Hope to get some fruit off the Sunrise next season to test it. I pulled my Dade. I liked it, but it was getting scary big too quick in its spot. We are similar in climate to Dade County, so I guess our growing conditions are better for it. Gotta bag every single fruit though so need to grow or graft onto dwarf stock.
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J says...
Jason, that's some impressive fruit. My chris is tiny compared yours but has about 5 fruit on it. I know the best time to harvest white sapotes in when they fall off the tree, but can I harvest them right now and let them ripen inside? Is this serviceable for varieties like chris, hawaii supreme, pike, wilson and vista without sacrificing too much quality? Because it is, I can eat white sapotes from may till july.
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rowan says...
Jason, could you email me rowan.99 @ gmail.com I would love to come and see your white sapote trees. My seedling are still a couple of years off fruiting.
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Jason says...
J you can't leave sapotes till they fall off the tree, not sure who told you that. If you do that you end up with a pile of sapote soup on the ground.

This soup tastes the same as one picked and ripened off the tree. With Chris I pick them once they have an yellow/orange blush and green varieties I pick when they turn a lighter green. Most winter cropping varieties should be pickable for you from April onwards I would have thought, depends a bit on the year. Sometimes some varieties will make a decent summer crop.

Rowan I'll get you around during the growing season, there's nothing much to see at them moment, just a lot of trees recovering from a dry summer. How good are your seedlings, granted Casterton has better dirt and warmer but I think you'll still be waiting 7 years. Mine took between 7 and 13 years to flower. None took longer than 13.
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gardenererer says...
Seven to 13 seems a tad pessimistic. 3 to 5 at Sydney.Agree about not waiting for tree ripening. Pike , Vernon, Golden Nugget, Hawaiian Supreme taste much the same;not much in it although others will disagree.
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Jason says...
Well Sydney has 10 fold more heat than Southern Vic or Tasmania. I'd be surprised if anyone has fruited a seedling sapote in under 6 years in the kind of climate we live in. Mine have averaged about 10 years. So even the tree that fruited at 7 was an exception. Those varieties do taste similar, of the three most common and reliable trees, pike, vista and Vernon. Vernon is the best fruit, pike crops by far the heaviest for me. Current picture of pike attached. It does this almost every year
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rowan says...
Mine are only a bit over two years old but have been in pots I would consider them only yearlings. I have only just found a permanent place to plant them out so I am hoping they make good growth when the weather warms up in spring.
I just hope they get through this winter but I have plastic guards around them and they came through the last two frosts ok.
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Jason says...
Do you need more plants because at various times of the year I've got seeds from different varieties that are pollinated from other good trees so chances are they would be good seedlings. Depends on how rich your dirt is and how much and how good your water is but they can grow anywhere from one to five foot a year. The seedlings seem to fruit at a trunk width of about... 4 - 6 inches at a rough guess. Then again my tallest tree probably has a 10 inch trunk and might be 30 feet tall and only this year made its first flower, only the one flower too.

Its funny every year my favourite kind of tree changes depending on what's started fruiting or what's growing well, right now after 13 years my seedling macadamias have really started to get performing. I wasn't sure how they were going to do down here when I planted them but now that I can see they are performing here without extra fertilser or water (almost nothing else other than apples and cherries will do that) I wish I had of planted a lot more macadamias. Then again I probably have enough for my own use.
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rowan says...
I would love to have a few more fresh seeds when you have some available, thanks.
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Jason says...
I have Chris x probable Vernon seeds at the moment. Would be worth planting and only keep the ones that have the darker non Chris leaves
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rowan says...
Sounds great - How much? do you want to post? or I can pick them up. I have to go down to visit friends in Heywood anyway.
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Jason says...
Give me a few weeks to collect some up because they are only just starting to be ripe now and I only have a few seeds so far. You can have them some mystery animal eats the seeds anyway, not sure what though.
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vlct says...
hi Jason, u don't have any of these seed by anychance ?
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Jason says...
Hi mate I had 100s of seeds saved up for Rowan last winter but my son was born early and threw all my plans about that into chaos and they ended up drying out. I had only one seed from a wooly leaf, don't eben know where that went but not in the ground. However at some stage in must have thrown some dried seeds from some sapote in a pot because a pot of "nothing" sprouted about four perfectly arranged sapote seedlings a few weeks ago.

I can't see myself planting any normal varieties so they must be from fruit of Chris unless I was planing to graft some trees for Rowan, I really can't remember, in any case I have no seed but a few seedlings. I usually have multiple 100s of seeds laying all over the ground in Winter but they don't look like they are going to crop much at all this years, too heavy last year. So I won't have a lot of seeds for a while it seems.

I don't get fruit on the pure wooly leaf very often at all because it really doesn't I like growing here, it would be much better in Sydney and up.
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vlct says...
they claim kampong too be self fertile. could u get away with just one ??
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VF says...
Yes, Kampong fully self-fertile,at least here in sub-tropics, so one would be enough. I had no pollinator, but very young tree set a large amount of fruit which it did not want to abort, so I removed most. The taste was delicious too - my husband dislikes much of the tropical stuff I grow, but really enjoyed these.
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vlct says...
thanks vf. sounds promising. I've never tried a white sapote I can't wait.
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Rob19 says...
I was thinking of growing a lemon gold in Melbourne. I only have room for one tree so was wondering if this is a good variety to try. More importantly I was wondering if I will need to graft another branch to the tree for pollination purposes. Any recommendations from those in the know?
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vlct says...
I've noticed the new growth on one of my sapotes is not normal. The leaves are having a hard time opening and are a little faded in green colour. Any ideas ?
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JohnMc1 says...
You're not alone, vlct. It's more pronounced in summer, the leaves come out in all sorts of colours. They tend to right themselves over several days.
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vlct says...
Theres not alot that can be done ?
Will it eventually out grow out of it.
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JohnMc1 says...
White sapote's are heavy feeders, they're related to citrus. I'd wait till late winter/spring and give them a good feed including trace elements. I alternate between chook and chemicals and sometimes I make up a mix of 1 part Potassium Sulfate 2 parts Magnesium sulphate and 2 parts B&B. I make up the latter only because I have over 100kgs of MgSO4 in my stockpile.
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vlct says...
Cheers john..
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vlct says...
when's the best time too pick (kampong) sapote ?
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sternus1 says...
when the jade monkey casts a shadow on the first gibbus moon of the winter solstice.
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vlct says...
when the scat monkeys flippin deep fryed wangers
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