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Jaz starts with ...
I bought half a kilo of Achacha from Woolies this morning, but when I tried two of the fruit, one was almost inedible and the other was completely inedible! They tasted like chewing on a leaf. Is that what some of the fruit is supposed to taste like or did I just manage to get a bunch of unripe fruit? What should it normally taste like? They didn't taste anything like mangosteen, not sweet at all.

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sternus1 says...
Jaz, you've made the error of buying boutique fruit from Woolies. I bet they charged a fortune for them too.

Achacha are an incredibly good fruit. They definitely do have mangosteen(ish) qualities, but taste more sherbety, to me. They are up there with the best of the Garcinia which makes them up there with the best of everything.

BJ should be able to tell you where to get some good ones when he comes on.

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MaryT says...
Jaz and sternus1, Woolies have had good achacha in their stores but I guess you were unlucky Jaz. The taste is indeed as sternus1 said but the proportion of flesh to seed is minimal and in my opinion not worth spending money on. At the moment there are lychees and longan in season; I find them far more satisfying.
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Jaz says...
I think I paid about $3.44 for the half kilo, which I thought was pretty good, but I haven't bought them before so I wouldn't know.

I tried a few more and I definitely think they're unripe. One or two were almost ripe, and would've been delicious had they been on the tree a little longer. But they others were all that horrible leafy flavour. They left a dry feeling in my mouth too. At least I got a bunch of seeds out of it.

I definitely want to try some good ones though, if I can find them.
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Jaz says...
I do love lychee. I lived in China for 8 years with my family when I was growing up, so I ate a lot of them then. They have lychee flavoured everything over there!

I wanted to get some but they were out of stock when I went. I'm going back to buying from Coles again next week, and I know they have them at my regular store.

I'd love to try and grow lychee, but I hear they take forever to fruit. Which is why I bought a papaya this morning too. I was told they fruit in less than two years from seed! I love fast fruiting trees!
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sternus1 says...
Jaz don't be put off by reports of them taking forever to fruit. Marcotted aka air layered trees of some varieties will produce in as little as 4 years, possibly three.
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BJ says...
Charlies usually has good achacha. Woolies should have good ones, but you might have got them from a box that a novice picker put together? The biggest problem with woolies has been over ripe fruit, rather than under ripe. They should be full and orange, with a little bit of brown spots is also fine. Id much prefer achacha from a supermarket than lychee from same. Small, big seeds and bland sums up what I have seen this season at the majors. Better still, find a local grower. Salathiel fresh from the grower is great. A guy has a van at the entrance to Samford who usually sells excellent quality lychees.
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MaryT says...
BJ the lychees and longans from the supermarkets here have been exceptional; mangoes too, and grapes. They're not always good, of course.
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BJ says...
All the good ones must be going to Sydney, and the US with the new trade deals, which mean they'll be subsidising sending the best fruit overseas.
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gimme says...
I got to try achacha this year. Very nice! A bit beaten about outside but perfect inside! I asked my local fruit shop to get some from Romeos at rocklea markets. Can I grow the seeds? I'm confused about the PBR on it, I know there is a whole thread about this somewhere but surely I can grow a species plant from seed and share/sell it?.

Some good Longan in woollies this week and since they weren't in the system the checkout chic gave them to me :)
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Diana says...
Hi Jaz,

I heard Annette McFarlane saying that the season is really good for lychees in Brisbane about once every ten years because they are fussy about the timing of temperature and humidity (I think). I was trying to find the quote and I found this non-Australian site- a lot of information here ,http://www.lycheesonline.com/lycheeinfo.cfm>
My Bosworth 3 is four years old and no fruit yet.
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Brain says...
with PBR, it means you can't profit from it (i.e. selling the tree (with its genetics), or fruits which originated from the PBR plant). Unless of course you have an agreement with the PBR holder and give them a royalty.

That said, you can grow something from seed, as the PBR does not prohibit anyone from improving the original PBR plant (quite an enlighten policy actually), or wait until the PBR expires (last check, I recall reading a 20 years limit but don't quote me.)

Of course if you grew something from seed and can jump through hoops to demonstrate your plant is at least different from the PBR plant, you may end up with your very own PBR.

I think sharing is also a no, as you infringe the profitability of the PBR holder.

on another note, a B3 I planted took 5 years to flower and form 1 lychee. Based on my observations, and this may not be true for all cases, I believe the B3 needs to be of decent size (i.e. 1mx1m box) before any fruit comes along. As they are very slow growing initially, I suspect your B3 is still quite small?
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sternus1 says...
The PBR on the achacha is laughable and unlawful. The only thing that protects is the name achacha. Achacha is just achachairu; there is absolutely no way that anybody could distinguish between either as they are literally the same thing. Sell and distribute as many achachairu as you want. The last thing whoever owns the PBR on achacha wants is a court case whereby it is proven (and it would be, absolutely) that the PBR itself is completely untenable, and considering this was approved and the licencse issued by a government department...

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Mike Tr says...
Garcinia humilis from the commercial source is PBRed in Australia.Surprise,surprise there is no such species since the reassignment of Rheedia and G.laterifolia is not a synonym.The achachairu is the proper name and it is undescribed. It wasn't bred here either.If it wasn't bred here,the name is wrong and they are independently streaming in from Bolivian and Brazilian sources how could someone be prosecuted?
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jakfruit etiquette says...
I agree about the PBR anomalies, but prosecuted successfully or not, you would have to waste a lot of time and money against people who have already got rich selling it. I wonder why no objections to the PBR were put foward at first.
That said there is nothing to stop you growing the seed, only commercially propagating. Also a breeders exemption is/ was?? in place for breeding from PBR lines.
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Brain says...
I think with PBRs, is like some other (questionable) IP rights, you just have to be the first to 'discover' and 'register' it and therefore you own it. Like some finger limes, it's been grown in the rainforest of Aus for eons and all it takes is for someone to take a plant, propagate it in a way that satisfy PBR requirements and thus it's yours! The other argument is of course commercial, you invested all this money & time and you expect to protect your returns.

I'm not familiar with Achacha, but I suppose it's the same deal, those folks must have brought some into Aus and being the 'first' to go through the process is enough.

Like all things in life, the one who has more money to pay the lawyers is the one most likely to win.
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Mike Tr says...
It is just a variety of a species in Bolivia and Brazil that was not specifically bred in those countries either like a new apple.I know it has rung alarm bells with some overseas fruit growers wondering about what is going on here.
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MaryT says...
That's why we must propagate our own name brands in our backyards :)
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gimme says...
I can't wait for my Bolivian mangosteens to fruit ;)
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sternus1 says...
JE the...entitlement, or the eligibility granted to an organization or an individual is very often a process of cumulative selection which results in what you quite rightly identify as anomalies. Anomalies that don't make any sense at all. Why did nobody protest? There was no reason to, or nobody thought to.

It's a bit like evolution by natural selection; whatever works just enough is good enough; it's patchwork, not architecture. Consider this example of how badly engineered specific parts of the human body are, taken from a sceptic site:

"The nerve 'wiring' of the mammalian larynx is also bizarre. Nerve signals for bodily operations travel from the brain down the spine, then branch off. Fair enough. The larynx is in the neck, so one might expect that the relevant nerve would come off the spine at the neck. And, it does: the recurrent laryngeal nerve originates from the spinal cord in the neck, as a branch of the vagus nerve. But then, bizarrely, rather than taking a direct route across the neck, it instead passes down the neck and into the chest, loops under the posterior side of the aorta by the heart, then travels right back up again to the larynx. Which is a waste of materials by anyone's standard, but in the case of the giraffe, it implies a Creator so set on the mammalian Bauplan that an extra 10 to 15 feet of nerve is needed"

The main danger in legal terms is the setting of precedents.

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gimme says...
I would like some of whatever your smoking
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sternus1 says...
well, you can smoke it, but mostly it's drunk from a shell on the equinox at midnight, there's fire and beating drums involved, too

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Markmelb says...
Hi All - Found some Achachas in Woolies Sth Oakleigh so they must be in Springvale also (7.98kg) has Qld got Custard Apples yet? Love to try a Cherimoya as have a young Sophia variety - Cheers
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gimme says...
Custard apples are pea sized on the tree in seQld at the moment. I'm still hand pollinating flowers
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Markmelb says...
Great Gimme - thanks for response - Im learning to hand pollinate a Pinks (only young plant) have tried on early flowers and no success yet - do plants need a few years under their belt to pollinate successfully and how long does pollen last in fridge for next days female stage?
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TMary says...
Achacha at Paddy's Market today.
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Jason says...
I bought some recently, what a crapy fruit. Looks kinda like loquat but totally inferior :) I only ate one threw the rest out.
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MaryT says...
Jason I totally agree with you. It's not worth eating; there is so little flesh though I wouldn't throw them away. The flavour is ok but it's all seeds. At the moment there's lychee, longan, grapes, peaches, mangoes, mangosteen (expensive today) ...countless varieties of fruit that are scrumptious - why eat an achacha?
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Jason says...
Thats it, mine seemed ready for eating but it was a dodgy fruit. I'll take anything you mentioned over them any day and I'd even much prefer a common cherry plum growing on the side of the road. I bet where ever they are native to they are starvation food only
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MaryT says...
Great marketing though, Jason. They used to play an ad at the cinema to make the achacha seem exciting. I've been eating yellow cherry guavas off my tree that are so much better; not to mention the figs.
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David01 says...
Just bought one box of Achacha 5kg at Melbourne fruit market in Epping today. The fruits taste is very ordinary, nothing special as a lot people claimed. If you want to compare it with tropical fruits such as Mango, Duran, Jackfruit, Custard Apple, lychee, Longan, Mangosteen even with Banana then I would rate Achacha at the bottom of the list. Cheers
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Markmelb says...
Why did you buy a whole box? Maybe they were cheap and over ripe. Ive tasted some that were quite nice but dont like the large seed - hoping a ground planting alongside a Mundu goes ok - would like to put my Lucs there but only have one :)
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David01 says...
Why did I buy a whole box? It’s a long story Mark. Last Nov 2018, I contacted Achacha in Burdekin QLD a few times. They recommended to buy it at retail shops in Melbourne in late Jan or early Feb 2019 (the season starts from Jan-March) or buy direct from the whole sale distributor (only sell a box at $50 not a kg) which is at whole sale Melbourne Market 315 Cooper st Epping. According to jack, this is the first fresh lots from Burdekin deliver to Melbourne last Monday 21/1/2019 so the quality must be excellent, almost the same when you pick-up at the Farm. The first day taste it at room temp 23C I am a bit disappointed. However, after keep them in the fridge at temp 10C for a day the flesh is a bit firmer, more sweeter and taste is also better. I may buy another box in a month time to see any difference, as usually early season is not as good as mid season. If genetic engineers can modify the genne to reduce the size of the seed then I can see Achacha will be a real winner but not for now. Cheers
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denise1 says...
I just ate a ripe yellow mangosteen (Garcinia xanthochymus) The main flesh was sour but the flesh around the seeds were quite nice.
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David01 says...
Hi Markmelb,

How is it going with your BKD110? have you tasted the fruit yet? I am thinking to buy the second one but not sure whether the fruit tastes good in Melbourne. Thanks.
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Markmelb says...
David01 Yes the Sapodilla is still settling in as they do so im told for 3+ years but its flowering alot but waiting to see what it sets - then it needs to get thru winter with fruit which it didn't do 2y ago - i think i slightly burnt the roots last year so now only use slow release ferts.
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