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Phil@Tyalgum says... Nick just do a search on the AQIS website by genus name, if you label everything properly and remove any adherent flesh you should be ok as long as you're upfront with them at the airport when you come back in to Australia. Just don't smuggle anything or they will give you a hard time, and spell everything correctly. Good luck. http://www.aqis.gov.au/icon32/asp/ex_querycontent.asp | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 11th December 2011 6:28pm #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
Jason says... Whatever you find label it properly and put in in the post before you leave. Declaring at the airport doesn't always work depending on what knob of guy you luck out on at customs line up. I had a huge amount of seeds taken from me to be destroyed at the airport, all legal imports too. The answer was, who's to say this is what the seeds are, hand them over for destruction. At least in the post they do get looked at and tested for correct identity if they feel like that's needed | About the Author Jason Portland 11th December 2011 7:27pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... Just google aquis icon and put in the genus and seeds to sow.Put the pint out in a clip bag with the clean seeds and the scientific name on the bag.No myrtaceae,indian jujubes, tomatoes or corn are allowed.Unfortunately the salak,durian and many fruits have finished their seasons.Check out some of the melons,seed packets of lotus,asparagus etc etc and go to chatuchek,Bankok on a wed/thurs.It won't cost anything if they take declared seeds from you. | About the Author Cairns 11th December 2011 9:25pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Have to agree with Jason Nick, I had perfectly allowable seeds a few years ago and customs made me hand them over to be destroyed. They told me if I wanted to bring seeds back I should have lined it up with AQIS before I left. If you post them to yourself (which is what I do now) and mark them SEEDS they will go to AQIS and if allowable should get back to you. And Phil is right too, CLEAN off any flesh and label with the correct botanical name.Mike's printout idea is a good one. Have a fantastic time and good luck finding seeds. | About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 12th December 2011 11:02am #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
Nick says... Thanks Jantina, Mike and Phil, Im thinking of sending AQIS an email first, what kind of container would I keep them in when going through customs? Does anyone know a method for cleaning seeds such as rambutan and mangosteen where the flesh adheres to the seed? (hopefully if I get enough seeds through, I can do some sending to people on the forum :)) | About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 12th December 2011 1:44pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
Mike says... Nick just clean the flesh off.Many have a shortened viability in that state.Rambutan are not so good from seeds especially thai varieties like rongrien.It is better to select the species or varieties not already in Australia.If you're going to chang mai many fruit varieties have cold tolerance and would suit southern Australia. In Sydney your permissable correctly labelled seeds can be taken by customs due to ineptitude,a lack of botanic experience a gestapo element that does not show on that drama fantasy border security.AQIS staff are way better than customs and an e-mail alert beforehand helps,especially if it is Sydney.Don't let customs trick you out of the appeal period and complain to their ministers office if they flout or ignore their own rules. | About the Author Cairns 12th December 2011 6:52pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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denise says... Seeds of many tropical fruits that lose viability rapidly will keep well while still inside the fruit . Although some may put out a curly root while inside the fruit. Therefore only extract, clean and airdry them the day or morning before return flight. That way mould doesnt get a chance to ruin your seeds and the seeds last longer. The inspecters will destroy any seeds with mould. They will destroy the whole packet if one seed is mouldy.They may also reject germinated seeds. You can give them a short dip in a solution of 10% household bleach to kill any mould spores. Then short rinse in bottled or tap water. Apparently the dip wont hurt the seeds. | About the Author 13th December 2011 7:32am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... A good way is take the icon printouts with highlights of species you will bring back and drop the seeds in.The melons, watermelons,allium seeds,pumpkins,bok choys and a whole lots more in seed packets and in supermarkets are worth bringing back.I would focus on varieties we don't have here or are way better than what we have.Of course much cannot be grown from seed or is prohibited from being brought back.There is however an astounding variety of herbs,vegies and fruits that could be brought back to enrich our depauperate assemblage. | About the Author Cairns 13th December 2011 8:59pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
ringelstrumpf says... Maybe they prefer when a seed company sends you the seeds? If you order something i.e from the USA and they are premitted entry there is never a problem per post. Unfortunately, the database does not contain everything and the plants it does not contain are not permitted entry. | About the Author ringelstrumpf Mountains 13th December 2011 9:08pm #UserID: 5542 Posts: 160 View All ringelstrumpf's Edible Fruit Trees |
Mike says... That is right and there are mistakes in their naming as well.You just have to instruct the supplier to put the wrong/obsolete name to match icon.Through the post the rules are adhered to more often.There are even probably examples of plants/seeds missed that are not allowed. There is not the intellectual firepower you may expect in scrutinising genuine pest and disease risks with plant species.The lists have many people shaking their heads and the sources and pathways in for the stablished diseases and pests are not airports and the post. | About the Author Cairns 13th December 2011 9:19pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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peter says... hi mike, your w/s seeds sound interesting so i will grow some as seedlings, other w/s seeds will be for rootstock (have already got some from jason/jantina, thanks again). nick, yea ive already checked myself but i can have them included on their permitted list if i know they are available. | About the Author adelaide 14th December 2011 1:43pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mike says... Sounds good Peter.After 26 to 36 yesterday (no dashing through the snow here),insane humidity and weeks of calm weather a change is coming through on Thursday and it will be too windy for fishing for a few days so Monday will be good.Red fox told me their pink fleshed is their best except for unreleased hybrids.I sent Brendans pepper this morning with a few mixed seeds.I'll toss in some seeds in case there's something of use. | About the Author Cairns 14th December 2011 2:14pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
Nick says... Ive already tried snake fruit and sapodilla- the snake fruit tasted surprisingly a lot like apple and the sapodilla like sweet custard apple (loved it!). Hopefully I'll be going to a tropical fruit farm in Penang soon http://www.tropicalfruits.com.my/fruit.aspx) which allows people to see and try plenty of fruits! | About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 19th December 2011 2:26pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
Mike says... Nick if the snake fruit is a sala and the varieties are sumalee or noen wong the seeds will be hot items.Try the big chomphu,local noinas and longkhong.The Big C and Lotus supermarkets also have excellent fruit sections worth a look and the local markets/street stalls shouldn't be missed.It may be winter there but I'm sure you'll be impressed by the produce. | About the Author Cairns 19th December 2011 3:03pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
Nick says... Im not sure about those supermarkets Mike but I did go to 2 called Cold Storage and Giant which both had a pretty large selection. It was quite funny because on a podium in the centre of the fruit section they had apples, Australian cherries and apricots etc. while the salak and other tropical fruits were on a normal shelf! I also visited the penang tropical fruit farm today and saw plenty of great fruits (I need to find a way to upload all the photos...) topped off with a free fruit tasting buffet and fresh juice. So now I've also tried water apple, yellow watermelon (have some seeds), a local fig variety, some sour cherry substitute and even a few miracle fruits I found while wandering around whose seeds I saved! Unfortunately there weren't any durians or jackfruit but I saw a few jackfruit trees loaded with fruit, thousands of durian trees beside the road and tasted some durian lollies hehe :) | About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 20th December 2011 9:49pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
Mike says... Nick because it is the quietest season for fruits there can be a bit of imported stuff.In Bangkok you might see a few aussie mangoes and apples.The watermelons won't all be true to type being F1 hybrids but some are and the orange fleshed honeydews are.The sour cherry substitute could be bilimbi or mayom and the water apple should be S.samarangense if it is seedless and Malaysian types are pretty ordinary.All the names are different in Malaysia and you'll find better quality and more variety in Thailand.With Salak in Thailand, rakum and sakum are lower quality than sala and seeds will be viable for 10 days.The Malaysian snake fruit are S.salacca and there is duku instead of longkhong.Some local champa (chempadak) look like jackfruit and taste good. The penny didn't drop in my previous response and I spoke of thai names.Ask for lamut,seedless farang,mangkut and noina when you head north.Good luck. | About the Author Cairns 20th December 2011 10:25pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Nick says... It feels good to back in Australia! The good news is, I got back some seeds through Customs! Altogether, I managed to bring about 20 tamarind seeds from a beachside tree, 5 langsat (called longkong there), 4 purple mangosteen and also 11 packets of commercial "Lion Seeds": 2 of papaya, 2 of roselle/rosella, 1 of okra, 1 of winged bean, 1 of holy basil, 1 of bitter gourd (related to Gac???), 1 of pea eggplant (Solanum torvum), 1 of long green eggplant and 1 of round eggplant (called Chao phaya). Unfortunately my 2 packets of yard long bean (Vigna unguiculata) didnt get through but they let me take the papaya seeds despite apparently needing a permit according to ICON. I also collected some miracle fruit seeds earlier on in Malaysia but the cleaner at our hotel accidently chucked them away, I guess its what you get when you wrap seeds in a moist tissue then leave them on a table... If anyone wants some of the seeds I mentioned I can send some. They were so cheap, the packets cost only 15 baht (50 cents!) and most fruit cost around 2 dollars! | About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 8th January 2012 2:40pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Nick says... Hi chillilover I can send you some tamarind seeds but unfortunately I had to plant the mangosteen, langsat and salak seeds because they die if dried for a bit. I can send you some seedlings when (or if) they germinate if you want. Just email me your address to niksmaster2008@hotmail.com and I can send the seeds tomorrow :) | About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 8th January 2012 3:08pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
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jo says... Hi Nick, May I know how you managed to get in the seeds thru customs? I thought that no fruits, seeds, veg, etc are allowed thru sydney airport. Last sept, I had cooked japanese sweet potatoes (my snack during transit hrs) and they checked and checked and almost did not allow them in. They told me that the nx time should i wish to bring in boiled potatoes, i have to scrap off the skins first! I am going to Brunei nx month and if I can bring in some chempedak or langsat seeds, I would be most happy. Any advice suggestion you can provide would be most appreciated. Best regards. Jo Jo | About the Author kingsford, nsw 8th January 2012 5:45pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
Mike says... Nick,I already have nearly all of those you mentioned in my yard and they are available in Australia.Lion Seeds are the best in Thailand and I didn't even try with snake beans but I wanted to bring the long reds and purples.Were the salaks, sala sumalee, and are the tamerinds sweet white tamerinds? Longkong is very different from langsat,duku,kokosan and all the other lansium domesticum variants.They are rarely grown from 'seeds' as the have a juvenile period that can be 20 years. | About the Author Cairns 8th January 2012 7:01pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
Nick says... Thanks for the email chillilover, I've put the seeds in hot water to soften the seed coat and theyre now soaking, I'll send them tonight but luckily tamarind seeds dont mind being dried a bit. Jo, most people assume that Customs dont allow anything like that but if you do the research there are some things that are permitted. For seeds you first have to check the AQIS' ICON database http://www.aqis.gov.au/icon32/asp/ex_querycontent.asp) to see if the species is permitted. What you do is enter the genus, country where youre going to get the commodity from and the end use (in your case, seeds for sowing) then click on the correct genus if it comes up. After that, take a look at the permitted species table- they sometimes have a prohibited species table as well but as a rule if the seed isnt on the permitted table it isnt allowed. You'll find most species are accepted or else they require an import permit (Myrtaceae plants) or just arent allowed, like beans. What I then did was find out about the seeds viability- because my holiday was 3 weeks long most of the seeds wouldnt survive if dried for that long and would rot if wrapped in moist tissue because of the humid climate (I lost my Caesalpinia pulcherrima seeds this way..). Seeds like tamarind and packets could last for the trip drying but the others, including langsat, had to be collected on one of the last days then wrapped in moist tissue until just before my flight to melbourne. That way they werent wet when going through Customs (mould is an immediate no) and only had to dry for a few hours. Beforehand the seeds had to be thoroughly cleaned of pulp and then put in a see-through container (I used zip-lock bags) with the plant's scientific name on the front. Packets of seeds, as long as they weren't opened, didnt need this treatment and could be brought through as is as long they were permitted and had the botanical name on the packet. Some of the packets I bought didn't have the name on it so I just put it in a zip-lock with the name on the front. This would've probably been enough but, as Jason said, some Customs people deny them anyway, so I sent an email to the AQIS asking if my seeds were permitted and the lady replied telling me if they were and if so the treatment required. I then printed off the page as documented proof but luckily I had a great bloke at Customs and didn't need it. Langsat seeds are permitted and so are chempedak but I can ask the lady if chempedak needs additional treatment if you want? Hope this helps :) | About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 8th January 2012 7:03pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
Mike says... I also use labelled zip lock bags with the seeds and icon printout inside.Condition c7100 is the best one as they will let clean seeds through without hassles.If your champadak was from Thailand and called champa it could be a cross or a jackfruit but Malaysian ones are the real deal.There are a couple of types in NQ that are excellent. | About the Author Cairns 8th January 2012 7:21pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Nick says... Thanks chillilover and MaryT, the greenhouse has been perfect for them so far- I've now got an abundance and tamarind and salak seedlings as well as 3 dukus and 4 mangosteens (more to come, thanks Mike!). I wish I could upload the pics but the website hasn't let me upload anything for a while now... chillilover I can send you a few tamarind seedlings (possibly some salaks if you want) because they're probably about the right height now! Would you like anything Mary? :) | About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 10th February 2012 8:09pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
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chillilover says... Hi MaryT i got myself a greenhouse to. Just a cheap one. Take a look. It's been raining so heavily at times i think i need to move some of the seedlings in. http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff391/budgieowner/IMG_2906.jpg Nick don't ask me when it comes to sending anything myway. Keep it coming. The salak sounds really good. You know i won't say no to anything but i am feeling really bad now. You've sent som much my way. | About the Author Chillilower sydney 10th February 2012 8:36pm #UserID: 6128 Posts: 123 View All Chillilower's Edible Fruit Trees |
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chillilover says... I am planning on tying the greenhouse to the fence as you can see on one side, the other two sides will have to peg it down. I am also planning on keeping quite a lot of pots in the greenhouse both on the floor and on the shelf and i'll put the pots on the pvc pipes itself. Hopefully the weight will keep it down. We don't get much wind in my backyard. I am in a townhouse but at the back. | About the Author Chillilower sydney 10th February 2012 9:24pm #UserID: 6128 Posts: 123 View All Chillilower's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Nick T says... Hello everyone, I managed to get seeds through Customs again without any worries at all! All the recalcitrant seeds (durian, jakfruit, langsat, rambutan, star apple and sapodilla) as well as the panama berry seeds have been planted in the greenhouse (fingers crossed!), but I still have plenty of gac and sweet Sri Thong tamarind seeds to send if anyone's interested! :) | About the Author Nick T Altona, VIC 19th January 2013 11:24pm #UserID: 2663 Posts: 727 View All Nick T's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... Yeah, I got a batch of luc's seeds in nearly two years ago. dont treat them too well as they seem to suffer from a bit of root rot. I'll be getting in another batch this season and treating them very differently to the first batch. They should be labelled as g. madruno, which has a few different forms. Coincidentally none of those forms correspond to the Daleys' G. madruno, which is G. intermedia. Luc's 'Limoncillo' has no latin name and has not been described, so is not on ICON. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 22nd January 2013 9:54am #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... The problem with common names in latin america is that one common name can stand for a number of different trees that are often completely unrelated in different countries or even different regions. Spanish Lime is commonly Mamoncillo, but I'd have no trouble believing it is also known as limoncillo. Luc's 'limoncillo' is a Garcinia that has been dubbed by some the 'Mexican Achacha'. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 22nd January 2013 11:59am #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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