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Gabby starts with ... Hi all, I am in the process of obtaining some budwood for named varieties of Prunus Mume (Japanese apricot/Japanese Plum) from a lovely man at the DPI who ran some Prunus Mume trials for RIRDC. I am looking for someone to either graft the budwood or teach me how to. I am in Footscray, Melbourne, and of course I am happy to share my spoils initially with my helper, but then as the tree grows with anyone who is interested (so long as I am not out of pocket by much for postage.) Gabby | About the Author Gabby Footscray 29th July 2014 1:56pm #UserID: 10269 Posts: 23 View All Gabby's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author sternus1 Australia 29th July 2014 2:53pm #UserID: 8314 Posts: 1318 View All sternus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... Ive had one in the ground for five years or so. Originally it didnt grow much thanks to constant grazing by wallabies. But since fencing it of its growth has exploded. I does 5-6 foot a year easily. The weird thing is its green year round and doesnt flower.. It's a very important and potent part of Chinese medicine with western studies to back it up. Tastes good dried and salted too. If only it would fruit for me!. | About the Author Jason Portland 29th July 2014 3:40pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BenW says... Hi Gabby I actually have a bit of mume budwood myself this year. It's a couple of flowering types, though they should fruit, just not specifically selected for fruit quality. I'm using plum rootstock, though peach would also work I think. Unless you know someone who can graft, I would suggest going to a grafting day for a demo. There are several in the next few weeks. Not a lot of rootstock this year, so go early if you don't have some already. http://www.heritagefruitssociety.org.au/Resources/Pictures/HFS%20Grafting%20Days%20poster%202014.jpg Do you have variety descriptions for what he is getting you? I may be doing a little grafting for a friend in Footscray in a week or two. I could probably show you how it's done, or do a few for you, in trade for a little budwood, especially if they are something special. I'm not an expert, but then again, it's really not so hard :) | About the Author BenW Kinglake West,3757,VIC 29th July 2014 4:52pm #UserID: 5390 Posts: 144 View All BenW's Edible Fruit Trees |
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MaryT1 says... Jason you might like to try pruning your tree back? http://www.abc.net.au/local/videos/2009/06/23/2606206.htm | About the Author MaryT1 Sydney 29th July 2014 5:04pm #UserID: 7655 Posts: 296 View All MaryT1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brain says... Prunus mume is really more chinese than it is japanese. It is on the tail of china airlines. The chinese translate it to english as plum ( and sometimes prunes) . But it is different from the plum on supermarket shelves. The fruit isnt eatten fresh, but preserved in salt and added sugar for it to be a treat. You can find a good selection in the chinese grocers, generally called salted plums/prunes The japanese uses the same fruit but makes it into a wine or a garnish for meals. Anyway, the plant is special to the chinese because it symbolises strength and resilience through hardship, as it tend to flower in the coldest winter periods, when it is in thick snow and when no other plants dare to flower. I have gotten myself one from ebay, but its a seedling and i also suspect it really need some really cold chill for flowers to break. So heres hoping for one day! I suspect mine is a single flower and white in colour, and weeping in form. And i am actually curious as to what other mume is out there. I recall seeing pictures of a pink one in canberra and seen them for sale from a victorian nursery. | About the Author Brain Brisbane 29th July 2014 5:52pm #UserID: 6289 Posts: 638 View All Brain's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Jason Portland 29th July 2014 5:54pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author MaryT1 Sydney 29th July 2014 6:36pm #UserID: 7655 Posts: 296 View All MaryT1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... Mary it's a seedling, since its a seedling it came from a fruit and by all right should have flowered after three - five years or so?. So I read is normal for this species. Then again maybe it feels like taking longer. Sometimes Apricots take eight years or so for me. They aren't almost instant flowering like a Peach. Just keep waiting I guess, but I dont see how it'll ever flower when it doesn't go dormant. That's the weird part. | About the Author Jason Portland 29th July 2014 10:55pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Gabby says... Hi All, Thanks for your replies. The varieties in the RIRDC trial are Nankou, Ianjy, Ellching, Daching, & Bungo, so I hope I get some fantastic fruiting varieties. Nankou is meant to be Japan's best variety with higher fruit to stone ratio than other varieties. I have a bare root tree for rootstock, the Prunus Mume "rosebud" from flemmings on order, to pick up Sunday. The RIRDC trial says peach rootstock is a fail as it snaps at the graft union. It recomends using prunus mume rootstock as far as I gathered, (I did not read every page word for word as the marketing parts are quite dry.) I am very excited about the grafting day and am going to ring Ceres tomorrow and see if I need to book. I am a bit of a freak as I am intolerant to "nightshade" vegies, so eggplant, potato, tomato and capsicum/chili all hurt my rheumatoid arthritis, I am hoping if I bottle these fruits unsalted then I may have a reasonable canned tomato substitute for pasta sauce etc. Currently I use steamed pumpkin mixed with beetroot, enough miso paste to get the right "umami" flavour and enough cider vinegar to get the right acid flavour. A bit of a production compared to opening a tin/fowlers bottle of fruit. This is why I want a specific variety for fruit so I can get a decent harvest to bottle for myself for a year of pastas. If the flavour isn't quite right then no loss, I can make Umeboshi and Umeshi.... Cheers Gabby | About the Author Gabby Footscray 29th July 2014 11:16pm #UserID: 10269 Posts: 23 View All Gabby's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Jason Portland 29th July 2014 11:23pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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MaryT1 says... Jason here's an interesting conversation about forcing trees into dormancy http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/citrus/msg101853095995.html?14 | About the Author MaryT1 Sydney 30th July 2014 7:58am #UserID: 7655 Posts: 296 View All MaryT1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author jakfruit etiquette vic 23rd December 2014 10:52am #UserID: 5133 Posts: 915 View All jakfruit etiquette's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Aya says... Hi Gabby, I was looking for where to get Prunus mume online and happened to see this post. It's funny that I also live in Footscray ;) I'm Japanese and love Umeboshi and umeshu! :) how is your tree going!? Where did you get the tree at first place? I would like to purchase and grow my own Ume... | About the Author Aya Footscray 28th January 2015 11:36pm #UserID: 11184 Posts: 1 View All Aya's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Akiko Sydney 3rd March 2015 10:30pm #UserID: 11392 Posts: 1 View All Akiko's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Gabby says... Hi all, I have not been successful with my grafting, I am not sure if it was the wrong time of the year or if i ruined the budwood by putting it in the fridge rather than the crisper (apparently the fridge is too cold and the crisper is a better temp). I have asked a few nurseries if I can get the names variety budwood from my contact sent direct to them to graft and may have more info soon. I will remember to post here and let people know if i have success. Thanks Gabby | About the Author Gabby Footscray 22nd July 2015 6:40pm #UserID: 10269 Posts: 23 View All Gabby's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author BenW Kinglake West,3757,VIC 27th July 2015 2:29pm #UserID: 5390 Posts: 144 View All BenW's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Gabby Footscray 6th November 2015 1:06pm #UserID: 10269 Posts: 23 View All Gabby's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Diana KENMORE,4069,QLD 22nd May 2016 7:11pm #UserID: 3004 Posts: 284 View All Diana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Osakadaz says... Jason did yours ever flower or lose it's leaves? I bought one two yeras ago and is now 2 m high..lovely green leaves with red new growth on tips...but never loses leaves and I am in Illawarra region, where it gets reasonably cold. Have one down at bottom of slope and one up top.Would love to know if yours ever flowered, as mine will regrettably get the chop pretty soon.I want the fruit and the flowers. As it was bought on Ebay it is impossible to know the variety..it seems the Taiwanese ones did better in Australia.Thanks! | About the Author Darren Kiama 6th July 2016 9:17am #UserID: 14186 Posts: 25 View All Darren's Edible Fruit Trees |
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MelBrackstone says... @Osakadaz I'm a member of ausbonsai and I know there'd be local members from your area who would love to dig up that prunus and take it away, if you're wanting it gone... please don't just discard it, bonsai people LOVE prunus!! Here's the link to the forum http://www.ausbonsai.com.au/forum/index.php | About the Author MelBrackstone Riverhills 31st July 2016 6:49pm #UserID: 14330 Posts: 2 View All MelBrackstone's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Darren Blackbutt nsw 1st August 2016 7:09am #UserID: 14186 Posts: 25 View All Darren's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... Osakadaz, just thought I better log in as I haven't for a couple of years. I went for a walk in my much neglected garden just now with a torch.. The Ume is flowering right now for the first time ever, couldn't say it lost it's leaves as it looks like it's been shooting new growth for a month or so. I doesn't have a lot of flowers, maybe 20 but that's pretty usual for a first try at fertility. Probably took about 8 years. maybe 9 at most. I wont expect fruit this year but next year I should. Smelly flowers! probably in a good way. Bit excited to eat the fruit, even though I don't eat fruit anymore well maybe just the skins.. But since this thing is super medicine I will give it a try. | About the Author Jason Portland 12th August 2016 8:22pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Joel15 PARKSIDE,5063,SA 15th August 2016 1:38pm #UserID: 14299 Posts: 66 View All Joel15's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jack Dan says... Hi Gabby, Any luck yet? We have 4 trees bought from ebay, but the same problem as some others with it not going dormant in winter. Really interested to know if you have made any progress. We pick Ume every year in Japan and make umeboshi and umeshu that we bring home, but we really want fruiting trees here. Let me know if you have had any success recently, Jaq. | About the Author Jack Dan Preston 26th August 2017 8:25am #UserID: 16753 Posts: 1 View All Jack Dan's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Darren Blackbutt nsw 28th August 2017 7:02am #UserID: 14186 Posts: 25 View All Darren's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Zapjelly says... Hi all :) I'm in Canberra Also got 3 little seedlings from eBay, about 4 years ago, fruiting first time this year :D It flowered last year but no fruit. Mine is also green all the time, doesn't go into dormant and Canberra has pretty decent cold winter. @Osakadaz, pretty sure it will flower, hopefully you can give it a little bit more time to fruit and flower for you.
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Darren says... That is awesome!!!! Your tree is slightly different to mine, as mine has red tips on the new growth.Very attractive, but looking grubby at the moment, with many of the leaves deformed..thinking maybe aphids (can't see any) or some kind of virus.Glad to hear that your tree doesn't go dormant either..very strange eh? Did you hand strip the leaves to make it flower? Hopefully I get more flowers this year after better pruning.I have two ume trees in the yard. | About the Author Darren Blackbutt nsw 6th December 2017 5:05pm #UserID: 14186 Posts: 25 View All Darren's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Zapjelly MACQUARIE,2614,ACT 7th December 2017 10:22am #UserID: 6536 Posts: 5 View All Zapjelly's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Darren says... So FINALLY I have fruit!The white flowering ebay variety.I have noticed differences in the two plants in the garden.The largest and most vigourous was covered with blossom this year but fruit set is very patchy..the fruit are classic green ume. The neglected and windblown tree at the top of my garden flowered sparsely for the first time and is heavily laden with fruit on the branches it flowered. The fruit are green with a red blush...they arrived from same seller but seem like two different varietals to me. Anyway, here's hoping for umeboshi and umeshu.Both plants in their 4th year. | About the Author Darren BLACKBUTT,2529,NSW 19th August 2018 10:45am #UserID: 14186 Posts: 25 View All Darren's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Stellar Violets says... Hi, thanks to all of you for this very interesting thread. I’m Lucinda in Manjimup western Australia at Stellar Violets. I obtained a few tiny named variety grafted budwood trees from a very cooperative researcher a few years ago - it took great lengths to overcome WA quarantine restrictions so that was a major win in itself. I moved them a couple of times, lost tree labels in the process ... and now a good four trees are flourishing. I’m sure one variety is Nankou, they’ll be listed in the RIRDC report. I too was puzzled by the evergreen growth and bushy habit. Can’t think where to start to prune them! Will continue to be patient for flowers given what I’ve read here. I planted these out as small or very small trees only a year ago, though I’ve had them for three. They seem to like this spot. | About the Author Stellar Violets MIDDLESEX;WA 27th August 2019 9:06pm #UserID: 20769 Posts: 1 View All Stellar Violets's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Darren says... Japanese have a saying “fools who don’t prune Ume, fools who prune Sakura” and I have just severely pruned my Ume again from a good three metres down to about 60 cm- trying to form a nice low framework and the Une can certainly take a hard lopping. Two years ago I got enough fruit to make a lot of umeboshi and umeshu but this year yet again what seemed to be flowerbuds changed to leaf buds with barely a handful of flowers. Maybe last summer was too hot or too dry. I cannot work out at all why the tree is so unpredictable other than the parent tree being not so fabulous either. | About the Author Darren BLACKBUTT,2529,NSW 6th October 2020 11:30am #UserID: 14186 Posts: 25 View All Darren's Edible Fruit Trees |
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