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| About the Author Julie Roleystone WA 14th April 2011 5:31pm #UserID: 154 Posts: 1842 View All Julie's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author PhilTyalgum4 Murwillumbah 14th April 2011 8:16pm #UserID: 4897 Posts: 14 View All PhilTyalgum4's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Julie Roleystone WA 14th April 2011 9:39pm #UserID: 154 Posts: 1842 View All Julie's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Moderator_1 says... The site is first and foremost an online nursery website. The forum is an adjunct feature. To overhaul the forum using dedicated software would be a big job, something that requires additional resources and a full time moderator. And what would be the point when of late many of the threads and posts are often personal and irrelevant to the fruit trees that daleysfruit.com.au has to offer. | About the Author Chris Kyogle 15th April 2011 9:32am #UserID: 2281 Posts: 263 View All Chris 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author snottiegobble Bunbury/Busso(smack in the middle) 15th April 2011 11:20am #UserID: 3468 Posts: 1458 View All snottiegobble's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jim says... If you are a representative of Daleys then your comments are very short sighted. I'm sure that most who use this forum appreciate that Daleys have set it up but Daleys should be just as appreciative that many of the most enthusiastic and knowledgeable non-commercial fruit growers in Australia use this site. One only has to search Google for a rare plant to encounter this forum as one of the first hits. This is a big win for Daleys and creates a lot of exposure. Like all internet forums people digress, make unnecessary personal attacks, and troll. By comparison this site is very good for staying on topic and being civil. That is not to say that if improvements are needed then they should not be considered. But as you said Daleys is a nursery so why would it bother with marketing and customer retention. | About the Author electra Freo 15th April 2011 1:23pm #UserID: 3242 Posts: 112 View All electra's Edible Fruit Trees |
Julie says... I forgot to mention that it was amanda who asked me to try this, so it was her idea. I actually made (to amanda) some of the points put forward by the 'moderator'. I recognise that this forum is a sort of offshoot of a nursery business, and a moderator would cost money. But Jim has a point too - Daleys gets a lot of exposure through this forum. It would be good if we could all come up with a win/win situation. The software issue I can do nothing about, but I'm sure we can sort out a few voluntary moderators. | About the Author Julie Roleystone WA 15th April 2011 2:34pm #UserID: 154 Posts: 1842 View All Julie's Edible Fruit Trees |
amanda says... Hi Moderator... (it's the real amanda!) will the software support a basic password protected login? Perhaps all members should be able to delete/modify their own posts - but not other peoples? Maybe only a few voluntary moderators should have the ability to delete anyone's post? Is this possible with the software? | About the Author amanda19 15th April 2011 4:29pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
Wayne says... As moderator 1 says, this is a gardening site totally sponsored by Daleys Nurseries, they don't complain when you guys talk about all the good stuff you can buy from other nurseries and I can tell you for a fact that very few people give plugs to Daleys. You people talk about buying from Eden seeds or wherever but rarely from this site. Anybody can delete any post in the forum but they must give a reason for doing so and when a moderator finds time he/she will check the post and then decide if it will be rejuvenated or not. I haven't been making many posts over the past few months simply because this site has been degraded by the personal attacks being made by some. People from around the world read the crap that some of you post and I, for one, wouldn't blame Daleys for shutting this site down. If you blokes want to keep this great site, start looking after it | About the Author Wayne Mackay QLD 16th April 2011 6:11pm #UserID: 338 Posts: 908 View All Wayne's Edible Fruit Trees |
Jim says... I think you are missing point Wayne. The whole reason this debate started was because people want this site to be about gardening and not all the other crap. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and internet forums are probably most indicative of this. Furthermore if you don't think that Daleys gets a good rap from the posters, please re-read through the threads, a good place to start would be Daleys vs Diggers https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/forum/daleys-vs-diggers/?PHPSESSID=7a9e1cbd0d726b79eb1a97a0a164230f | About the Author electra Freo 16th April 2011 6:52pm #UserID: 3242 Posts: 112 View All electra's Edible Fruit Trees |
Wayne says... I don't think I'm missing the point at all Jim, I'm just verifying the point that this is a gardening site, not a slanging match meeting for a couple of posters to stir crap. I think you had best read my post again You quote one thread where Daleys get's favourably judged against another -- that does not happen to often "Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and internet forums are probably most indicative of this" There is no excuse for anybody to be so in this forum Anyhow, enough's enough | About the Author Wayne Mackay QLD 16th April 2011 7:04pm #UserID: 338 Posts: 908 View All Wayne's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jim says... No, I understood what you said but the fact is that a call for moderation is not a bad idea. This is not to excuse people from being idiots quite the contrary, if you act like an idiot your posts should be deleted and if continue to stir the pot then you should be banned. It is essentially how all other internet forums work. I am not going to bother pulling up other threads that treat Daleys favourably but it is clear the vast majority of people on this site love Daleys. Anyway as you said enough is enough and we would be guilty of what we are criticising if we continue this any furhter. all the best Jim | About the Author electra Freo 16th April 2011 7:22pm #UserID: 3242 Posts: 112 View All electra's Edible Fruit Trees |
KjW says... I'll second that Wayne..enough's enough Maybe there needs to be a "General" thread for topics that don't pertain to actual gardening. The ones that want their slanging matches etc, can go there and entertain themselves, leaving the rest of us to get on with reading more interesting and informative stuff. Just a thought.. | About the Author John42 Rockhampton 16th April 2011 7:42pm #UserID: 4801 Posts: 68 View All John42's Edible Fruit Trees |
amanda says... For what its worth - I sent off an email to Daleys to see/ask if they can explain some things to us (eg: the limitations of the software and what they expect from Forum users)...maybe they will post a reply on Monday, with some luck..? In the meantime - maybe a "cease fire" or truce could be an option? From what I can gather about Forums - there is no way of banning anyone unless the email field is mandatory - and registered..? Daleys might not be able to afford this software - and many sites are supported by external advertising (I think..?) For those that may be worried about the remote chance of being impersonated or their security etc - then a gmail or hotmail account is the way to go...they are free too. You can set one up from your Google screen very easily. This doesn't appear to be a "secure site" as they are prefaced by "https://" not "htpp://" Maybe someone knows a bit more about this than me? - I am still learning.. ;-) Unforunately KjW - history has proven that hasn't worked :-( the nasty posts pop up anywhere, at anytime, in any thread...and that's the whole prupose of trolling, sadly. We can all resist the temptation to respond (myself included) - but new members often don't realise that this is what is happening - and so the cycle keeps going on and on and on....? It's become very frustrating and I am with Wayne here - it's getting to the point where u just don't want to post anymore...? I am currently on the lookout for another good gardening forum to join. (ps Wayne - I wish it were just a few months - but going back thru the records it will be 2yrs, next month, that I was first trolled by a certain member.... I have given up that the problem is going to ever get resolved... :-( | About the Author amanda19 16th April 2011 9:08pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... It took Axel 11 years to get around to update the cloudforest to a proper forum software and it's booming ever since. He doesn't have any commercial interests, it's just what he loves to do but for a commercial shop having a popular forum like this is advertising potential that can't be beat. You could even with something like google adsense make quite a lot of money from this site at the moment without having to plant a seed. Right now it actually out does the nursery itself which is not producing many plants at all in the last half a decade or having much of a range like they used to. I used to spend hundred and hundreds of dollars at Daley's but there's really a big lack of varieties these days so there's really nothing else for me to buy. Oh well the point is, it's definitely worth installing some forum software :) and ramping up the nursery to match it if that's what they want, or if they want to keep it small then it probably doesn't matter so much. But if it was me I'd be making the forum bling and giving the people some plants to talk about and recommend to each other. P.S I'm still waiting for a Poshte plant, have been for at least 6 or 7 years :) | About the Author Jason Portland 16th April 2011 9:36pm #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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snottiegobble says... I just happened to purchase a capulin cherry today at a field day! Googling "capulin cherry",then hitting " capulin soil types" gave me Daleys fruit tree forum, as No 1, 2, & 3 in the list! Do you know how much it costs to get that publicity normally? A hell of a lot I can tell you, so dont worry about Daleys shutting down the forum. Oh BTW Amanda, youre in there too! | About the Author snottiegobble Bunbury/Busso(smack in themiddle) 16th April 2011 11:14pm #UserID: 3468 Posts: 1458 View All snottiegobble's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author snottiegobble Bunbury/Busso(smack in themiddle) 17th April 2011 1:02am #UserID: 3468 Posts: 1458 View All snottiegobble's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... I just saw a picture of one that had fruit twice the size mine does :S, made me jealous. Mines over 30 feet already and only 11 years old. I've got the feeling if I cut it back to 15 feet it would grow 15 feet the next year anyway :P?. I have another one that self seeded and, well I had a few of them but the mower ate some and the kangaroos the rest. All up I have 1 big one and two small ones left alive right now and maybe a few very small trees hiding in the grass | About the Author Jason Portland 17th April 2011 1:08am #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Rowan says... I also recommend Daleys to many people but I don't buy much anymore because of the plants that they offer now don't suit me - I used to buy tubestock but they don't do enough now so I buy elsewhere. Anyway - there are heaps of free and cheap forum options out there and there would be willing volunteers to moderate so I can't see the problem. I would like to see a more professional forum and it would really benefit Daleys (check out the Baker Creek/rare seeds forum www.idigmygarden.com for a good example of a garden business sponsored forum). | About the Author krazykangaroo1 Casterton, Vic 17th April 2011 7:24pm #UserID: 4362 Posts: 44 View All krazykangaroo1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author amanda19 18th April 2011 11:16am #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author snottiegobble Bunbury/Busso(smack in themiddle) 18th April 2011 5:22pm #UserID: 3468 Posts: 1458 View All snottiegobble's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Correy says... Hi, This is Correy from Daleys Nursery. Every time a post is deleted it comes up in a report. Here is an example:
These are things I keep in mind when deciding if to "Un-Delete" posts from the forum. If a post was created over 50 days old I usually automatically "Un-Delete it" Also I can see who was logged in when it was deleted. In this case no one so I am very dubious that it should stay deleted. Also they didn't give a decent reason. If the person who deleted it didn't have an email address or give a decent reason then I "Un-Delete" it. If the post was deleted by the same person that created it then I will always keep it deleted. However I only do this once every couple of weeks. So if someone deletes your perfectly good post it may take about 3 weeks before you see it back on the site again. Also after I do this job all the emails get sent out to you assuming you entered a correct email address. ============= The forums main purpose from Daleys perspective is to create a passion about fruit trees. We are happy for you to plug any business, tree or new idea you like. Next purpose is we are a small business that sells plants that often require a lot of information. What was happening is that people ring us up and ask some really complicated questions. We would have to hire a few staff members just to answer the calls and emails. We wanted to make it as easy as possible for someone to ask a question. So the forum has been set up so that you don't have to "Sign Up" remember usernames or passwords you just create a subject ask the question and click Submit. Other forums obviously are more strict which is why I have made it so anyone can delete posts. This works well for spam etc. ======== Does anyone want this job by the way? | About the Author Correy Brisbane QLD 20th April 2011 12:47pm #UserID: 3 Posts: 493 View All Correy's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Brad says... i don't think too many other forums send regular participants thankyous or give prizes for competitions either. to truly impersonate someone on here, you need their eMail address and login to get their userID. although hawkypork above has id 0, so that can go wrong... oooh i just got sidetracked...hey Correy - how come you only got #3? Kath got #2 and who is the sue @ #1??? by and large the forum interface works for its intended purpose. the search feature/google is very good. I still think its too easy to delete posts. Maybe only allow users to delete after they've been here a while (and still check those deletions)??? Do others get eMail updates? maybe my cookies get confused, but I don't seem to | About the Author Brad2 G Hill,Perth 21st April 2011 4:04pm #UserID: 2323 Posts: 762 View All Brad2's Edible Fruit Trees |
Julie says... Brad, I used to get email updates, but not any more. But that's OK, because I'm here often enough to keep up with new posts. It seems the only real issue now is the fact that anyone can delete. If this could be fixed, I'd be happy with the system. I am truly grateful that Daleys allows us to use this forum to share information - lets stick to that, and no more personal attacks! It's not difficult to disagree with a point of view without being rude! | About the Author Julie Roleystone WA 21st April 2011 4:37pm #UserID: 154 Posts: 1842 View All Julie's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Correy says... I find that people who like fruit trees are 99% of the time nice to each other so the anonymous forum works here where as in other places it wouldn't. We haven't done a forum competition in a while will do one next email newsletter. Also next to Reply | Delete I will replace it with. Reply | Agree | DisAgree | Spam Then under each post I will tally the Agrees and Disagrees. I find that sometimes people delete a post because they think the information is wrong. So maybe this will be a way of showing which posts are more accurate. I saw this done on another forum and it worked quite well. | About the Author Correy Brisbane 29th April 2011 6:54am #UserID: 3 Posts: 493 View All Correy's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author Brad2 G Hill,Perth 29th April 2011 1:36pm #UserID: 2323 Posts: 762 View All Brad2's Edible Fruit Trees |
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| About the Author snottiegobble Bunbury/Busso(smack in the middle) 30th April 2011 11:42am #UserID: 3468 Posts: 1458 View All snottiegobble's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Violet_Cactus says... Thank you Correy and Daley's for hosting and moderating this forum, which fills a huge gap for Australian backyard fruit growers. I have met people in real life who I first encountered on this forum, I have exchanged plants with people first hand and by mail, and I have enjoyed swapping ideas with forum participants. The forum has made our lives - and gardens - richer. Hopefully it has also attracted more internet customers to Daley's. | About the Author VioletCactus1 Melbourne 30th April 2011 9:51pm #UserID: 516 Posts: 349 View All VioletCactus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
amanda says... Well said Violet Cactus :) I agree with you too..(plus thanks to all those who have given me help and inspiration with starting my patch, from nothing, also...) It is a very user friendly set up...and Correy is right - most gardeners enjoy sharing etc...the changes Correy mentioned on 29th may be a good idea too. | About the Author amanda19 Geraldton. Mid West WA 30th April 2011 10:07pm #UserID: 2309 Posts: 4607 View All amanda19's Edible Fruit Trees |
J says... Having met violet, Jujube4sale and jantina in real life because of this forum, I have to agree with violet. There is also a wealth of info that has proven useful in setting up my own garden. I also agree that this forum helps daley with sales because I've bought bundles of stuff through them :) | About the Author J uopwey 1st May 2011 6:14pm #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
| About the Author VioletCactus1 Melbourne 2nd May 2011 8:29pm #UserID: 516 Posts: 349 View All VioletCactus1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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