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Phil@Tyalgum starts with ...
Just bought some black brazilian cherry trees from Daleys, have been chasing this variety for years. Supposed to be less resinous tasting than the more common red. Always impressed at the quality of the plants Daleys supply, can't fault them.
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Mike says...
Phil black star is supposed to be the pick of the blacks.I have seedlings popping up as well.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Hey great, these look like seedling grown trees too unless they grow from cuttings. Nameless apart from being labelled black...
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David says...
My Grafted black fruited tree is in bud all over.
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BJ says...
Mine too (though mine is cutting grown rather than grafted). I had to dig it up recently, so I hope it holds some fruit at least. I believe Daley's are cutting grown (explains price). Chester has them grafted for a bit more $.
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David says...
Hi BJ thats where i got mine good looking tree
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Is that Chester Hill (Sydney)?
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BJ says...
Chester at Mullumbimby.

Does the yellow tag say they are seed or cutting grown?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
No, just the usual info about the plant itself and some codes
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David says...
From Daleys pretty sure they are seedling grown
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Linton says...
Hi Bj, can you give me the contact details for Chester as I really want a grafted one. The ones from Daleys are seed grown, they told me that for a fact because I just got one from them.

Forbidden had some grafted ones but they are sold out until next year. Thanks.
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BJ says...
Linton, Chester is from Forbidden fruit.
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Linton says...
In that case it looks like I'll have to wait a few years for the Daleys one to fruit.

In the mean time the standard red one I have which is also not grafted, has given me 3 crops this year - last Summer, then again in March-April and its fruiting again now as in the picture, so I'm not complaining.

Is this normal for them? The tree is still small, about 2 metres high and 3 or 4 years old.
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David says...
Hi Linton , the seedling black that i got from daleys has been in the ground now 1 yr and is flowering so have hope.
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denise1 says...
In NZ ,the Eugenia uniflora is called Surinam Cherry. The name Brazilian Cherry goes to your Grumichama. I love a good sweet Surinam.
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Mike says...
In Brazil neither get called Brasil Cherry as they are Suris and Grumis there.I have some black star E.unifloras just beginning to sprout.
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Jenny says...
Mike would it be at all possible for you to send me a couple of the seedlings when they are a bit bigger? Or seeds if that's easier.
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Mike says...
Jenny sorry I have 6 of them and they are all spoken for already and I want to keep one.I had quite a few seeds and shot my mouth off about it but not all came up.I am still practising my excuses for people who want some and will miss out.
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David says...
Jenny would be glad to offer you some seeds, fruit has just set on my grafted black, and seedling black. Fruit is currently the size of a pin head so give me time.
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Jenny says...
Mike, that's ok, thanks anyway, I felt a bit cheeky asking but sometimes you don't get anywhere if you don't ask!

David, that's very kind of you thank you! It must be very exciting to see the fruit developing - I've got lots of citrus but not much else flowering at the moment. Coincidentally I was at Templex Nursery this afternoon and found a seedling black there (their last one) for $18 but I wouldn't say no to your seeds! Just let me know when they're ready I could pick them up to save you the postage since you are not far away, but of course no hurry. jscods at hotmail dot com. Templex have got some interesting stuff, I really had to hold myself back but did splash out on a grafted Tropic Sun. Oh for an acreage...(and bottomless wallet!)
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Mike says...
Jenny it is not cheeky and you should ask.A few weeks ago before I offloaded the first ones up, the answer would have been different.I have not often refused a request and was sorry I had to decline.
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David says...
Hi Jenny , was there last week to and spoke to Gemma the owner who i know quite well, also saw the black Brazillian cherry, good buy at $18 i think. Mike is of course right, he has been more than generous to me in the past and i thank him for that, so what goes around is a good thing, this is how we all improve ourselves.Will stow away your email and when the time comes youll hear from me ,will keep you updated as to there progress.David
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John Mc says...
Hey David,
Was your grafted black quick to flower? I bought mine from Chester at Mullumbimby not 6 months ago.
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David says...
Yes after the winter break very low mins here this year but now with the slightly elevated temps has flowered and puting out new growth ,kept it in the bag John for another 6mths,before planting Chester said that the grafts he performs are very slow to take with Brazillian cherry,success rate is not high in other words. The seedling black ive got also is flowering been in the groung 1yr,only .5mtr tall but very bushy, will have to wait to see if this comes true to type or not. If not will use this to get seed to graft more of the black onto them.Chester told me the story of how he came about the black, his young daughter came home one day after playing on the property he had bought and handed over a small fruit, apparently the black cherry was already on the property,what a stroke of luck i say.
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VF says...
Hi Jenny and David, would Templex be the nursery at Algester/Beaudesert Rd? (I thought they had been swallowed up with the McMansion estates around there.) If that's them, did they have any Tropic suns left? Cheers.
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David says...
Yes thats right VF, they did have custard apples not sure about Tropic sun though.
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Jenny says...
Hi vf yes they did have a few tropic suns left on friday. lovely couple running the nursery and great selection.
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BJ says...
Jenny, did the Tropic Suns look whippy and mostly dead? I've not seen a single plant in buyable condition.
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John Mc says...
Nice touch David. I've often wondered how he came about it. I should get mine in the ground.
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David says...
Yes John no procrastination
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Jenny says...
BJ - yes they were bare but we have had a cold winter and they did have leaf buds starting. Some of their stuff is old and pot-bound is true but a lot was very tempting - beautiful flowering lychees.
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VF says...
Thanks David and Jenny. I'll have to have a look.
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BJ says...
Jenny - I wasnt refferring to Templex, but to the Tropic Sun atemoya. They look sick next to any of the other atemoya cvs. I purchased one from a well known nursery, but when I cut the bag the roots were sponge. It looks like all the ones I've seen are on a really ordinary rootstock.
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Jenny says...
Oh I see. Well, time will tell. The roots were quite damp and not ideal. If it doesn't thrive maybe I'll try some grafting on to a few of my little cherimoya seedlings! It might be fun & good experience to do it anyway :)
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Grant says...
Hi David
Ive been chasing a black Brazilian Cherry for ages if you have any spare seeds currently or on the way i would love a few. If u dont thats fine, but if u do i'm happy to pay postage and for your trouble.
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Mike says...
My tropic sun was wispy and had sickly,slow growth.It is volunteering for mulch patrol and paying the ultimate price for its recalcitrance.The small black stars I have are now kicking along.
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David says...
Grant just noticed the seedling black has dropped all but 2 fruits, going through a drought here. If any left on the grafted black will see if any spare and you are welcome to 1 or 2.Jenny havnt forgotten you either
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John Mc says...
My Tropic Sun is still in full leaf from last season. It is very wispy but it'll be getting a good prune, back to around 200mm from each fork to try and build a strong framework for the following years. I do that with all my Annonas, the African Pride is in it's forth year and looking nice and strong, with, incidently, three very large fruit hanging on there.
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Grant says...
Cheers David, we are at the mercy of powers greater than ourselves i suppose.
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David says...
OK, Grant and Jenny if you can email me your adresses, seed is nearly ready to harvest. My email is dphuntbris at optusnet dot com dot au. Wait to hear from you guys.
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Jenny says...
Thanks David! Email sent
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Grant says...
Many thanks as well David, hopefully i will get to check out the difference between the red and black. Eventually
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David says...
Grant and Jenny, seeds sent off today,keep an eye out in the next few days in the mail box.David
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Jenny says...
thanks David for your kindness! seeds are soaking as I type. I love growing plants from seeds.
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David says...
Hi Jenny glad they arrived. My pleasure.
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Grant says...
Perhaps mine will be waiting for me when i get home? What is the best proceedure to give them the best chance of germinating? How long will you soak them for Jenny?
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Jenny says...
Just 24 hours thanks to that informative link posted by VF. I will plant them this arv in seed raising mix, keep damp but not too wet and in a sheltered spot hopefully they will be up in 2-3 weeks according to that table! I also have to protect from rodents the #*%s ate an avocado pit that was about to sprout and some seedlings too
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John Mc says...
You shouldn't have a problem if the reds are anything to go by. I have seedlings coming up around my tree where I casually throw the seed. Of course it gets covered with mulch to help it germinate.
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Grant says...
Thanks heaps David, I'm very grateful. They were here when i got home from work today. Thanks too for the tips guys I feel very hopeful.
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David says...
Grant, you are welcome.
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Jenny says...
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Hi Jenny merry christmas to you and family .By the way did the black brazillian cherry seeds germinate ok or not, curious let me know"


Hi David yes as u see I have one little baby! Don't know if the others will come up but at least this one seems happy. Very pleased with the one I bought from templex too it is thriving. How did the fruit taste?
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Robertito says...
I have about five metres of normal Brazilian cherry in my yard and they taste terrible - particularly the pine-o-clean aftertase. I'm really keen to graft some of the Black ones onto this established rootstock. It's only a rental property, so I probably won't be here long enough to enjoy the benefits of trees grows from seed.

Does anyone have an opinion about whether this is doable? And does anyone have any cuttings they could spare?
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John Mc says...
Some of my red Brazilian cherries have a pleasant, mild sweet flavour. The strong taste varies from fruit to fruit. When I come across a favourable, pleasant tasting fruit, I germinate the seeds for hopefully, a better selection in future.
Robertito, you could keep a black variety in a pot and take it with you. Daley's sell black seedlings from time to time.
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VF says...
I have not tried it, but some sources say to refrigerate the fruit (not sure if cut open first) for half an hour to an hour, and the resinous flavour disappears. Worth a try I guess.
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David says...
Have just been in the garden and picked this.With photos, lots of the seeds the down side, flavour was great
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David says...
Lets have another go at this .The flavour was in no way resinous, but have found that it needs to be completely ripe to rid all resinous undertones.
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VF says...
Looks luscious David, and description sounds good too. Hopefully mine kick into production in a couple of years. I can't remember the time of the year, but there's a fruiting tree at TFW where I've sampled the blacks (and am now growing their seeds), and the big, fat fruit were very good and better than reds. The smaller fruit did have some resinous taint, but not too bad.
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JohnMc1 says...
My FF grafted black has been fruiting all summer, fruit is still hanging on the tree and has just come into full flower again. The fruit is at it's best after it has fallen.
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sternus1 says...
Can't stand these things, they taste like a cross between a cherry and capsicum....weird.
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Jenny says...
Hopefully these are flower buds on my black Brazilian cherry, the leaves coloured up beautifully this winter. I would love to taste some fruit from it this year. The small plant is one of my seedlings from David, doubt if it will fruit this year but should put on some good growth since I planted it out recently. Also a black, but the leaves have not changed colour. I've only had the grafted standard since the beginning of the year and it's been wonderful, it's a red and has been pumping out the fruit even through winter. It's full of tiny fruit at the moment. I like them though they are too tart for some of my "guinea pigs", they are lovely when so ripe they just fall into your hand. the ants like them too and I wrapped the trunk with plastic wrap & put that horticultural glue around it.
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Carl76 says...
Mine has started as well.
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MaryT1 says...
Nice pic, Carl76. Yes my fruit trees are flowering too. Looks like this will be the first year I'll get a crop of strawberry guavas instead of one or two.
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Grant says...
This is the state of my Black Brazillians. The one with the red flush is a seedling from Daleys and the other is from a seed gratefully received from David back in 2012. Still haven't tasted one but things are looking promising this season.
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Mike Tr says...
They are also known as pitanga and surinam cherry.My black brazil cherry might have to wait until next season and I am soon to plant a large leaf orange brazil cherry.My pitangatuba (E.neonitida) had its first flower open today.
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JohnMc1 says...
Did you grow it from seed Mike? If so, how long from seed to first flower? I could double that time if grown here. I'd be very interested in your take on how acidic the fruit is. Please show us some pics when ripe.
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Mike Tr says...
John the pitangatuba is 25cm high and 30cm wide and 13 months old from seed.I have a bigger one that shows no sign of flowering. I am expecting the fruit to be quite acid.
I am told the orange brazil cherry is an elite cultivar and I have just the one.
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Juneli says...
I would be very grateful if anyone has any spare seeds of the Black Brazilian Cherry to send to me in the mail. Have been searching for this on the internet at a couple of nurseries but no luck. Will remunerate for the cost involved
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sternus1 says...
Surinam cherry doesn't grow true from seed.

Daleys sell a black variety, it is available for pre-purchase right now. Who knows, what turns up might even be half decent.

http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/buy/brazilian-cherry-black-tree.htm

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JohnMc1 says...
Juneli, contact me via johnatcentralcoastskylightsdotcomdotau,
I have a few black braz seeds sitting there in damp coco.
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Mike Tr says...
sternus my orange has big leaves like it is supposed to so hopefully it will be true.There was a paper done on seedling trials where proportions of blacks that grew true were assessed.I can't remember the outcome but I think blacks mostly produced blacks.
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David says...
Mike is right the percentage is well over 95%.This is true for this species that I know of, not sure on vaiability of other Eugenia or syzygium for that matter, well done Mike on the pitangatuba, by its name suggests it might be tart.Give us an update when it fruits Mike.
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Mike Tr says...
Just to be confusing I have a Eugenia pitanga as well but it is only 10cm and also planted in the ground.The orange brazil cherry is sweeter,firmer and less ribbed.Some people enjoy pitangatuba out of hand so we'll see with that one.
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Juneli says...
Thankyou very much John will send you my details this morning. Sternus 1 have had my name down at Daleys for awhile. Also checked out Forbidden Fruits no luck there also.
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JohnMc1 says...
On their way Juneli, the seeds have already sprouted. They are packed in damp coco so should get there OK.
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Juneli says...
Wow! That was quick John. I consider myself to be very lucky to be getting sprouted ones into the bargain. Thankyou seems such an inadequate word for your kindness and caring nature. I will be watching the mail with an eagle's eye. If all seeds take I will be sharing plants with family and neighbours.
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JohnMc1 says...
We tend to "pay it forward" here Juneli, I have only just received two envelopes myself within the past week from MaryT.
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Juneli says...
That's good news John. Hope you enjoy your seeds from MaryT as much as I will mine. Paying it forward is the way to go. Cheers.
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Mike Tr says...
I see a couple of flower buds on my 75cm tall 18 month old black brazil cherry.The 12cm tall Eugenia pitanga that is less than 1 year also has 2 flower buds.I know E,pitanga is a dwarf but this is ridiculous.
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JohnMc1 says...
Incredible for such small plants, so your little babies are working very early in their young life.. My grafted black brazil is always in flower, never rests.
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echinopora says...
I found a research paper on eugenia uniflora genetics and the black trait in seedlings of cross pollinated "zills black" suggested that zills black is heterozygous at a single locus for a dominant black fruited gene (B/b). So in zills black 75% of offspring were black. But that would suggest that as long as you were breeding 2 (B/B) e.uniflora you would have seedlings that were true to type

Phil @ tyalgum, I am up in terranora. I don't suppose you would be up for a garden tour sometime? I'm just getting my orchard started and would love to see/hear what works around here.

If any spare seeds come available for black e.uniflora or e.neonitida I would be keen.

Rggordey at ualberta dot ca

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kim14 says...
Mike T - would you be able to post a photo of your dwarf Eugenia pitanga if not too much trouble please?
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Juneli says...
JohnMc the cherry seeds arrived this afternoon. They were still lovely and moist in the plastic bag with the coir. The roots were amazing on one seed. Will post photo when they pop up. Thankyou again for your generosity.
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JohnMc1 says...
Glad they arrived in good nik. This is a pic of the fruit.
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Juneli says...
They look delicious JohnMc and hopefully I wll get to taste one in a year or two. Thanks for posting the pic.
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Grant says...
Thought I would update on the Black Brazillian seed kindly sent by David in 2012. Turns out that I must have been in the statistical minority as the tree bears red fruit. All is not lost though, I did plant a seedling from F Fruits which is putting out excellent fruit.

One of the other seedlings from Davids seeds is at my Mum and dad's in Bundaberg. Still hasn't fruited yet so we will see how that one turns out.
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David says...
Hi Grant, What can I say bummer. Have cultivar Black Beauty now ,not fruited yet but will send you some seed when it does if interested.By the way was at Tropical fruit world 2 wks ago and they said Jackfruits would be early this year .Might go down at end of February.Cheers David.
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Mike Tr says...
Blacks can throw to red.The orange is very different being sweeter,almost ribless and leaves are larger. Mine is still small.
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Grant says...
Cheers for the offer Dave, not enough space left in the garden for 2 BB though. Do you happen to know if Tropical FW has any Sapodillas fruiting at the moment?

Mike have you sampled fruit from your orange yet?
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echinopora says...
There were jackfruit, sapodilla, malay apple, wax jambu, lychee, red dragonfruit, magenta dragonfruit, wampi, soursop and green mango (borneo long?) last week at TFW. My black beauty fruited this year, still found it to be resinous. will let it have another year to see if it improves.

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