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Annonidium manii

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Dada1 starts with ...
Hi everyone,
I will have Annonidium manii seeds a very rare, exquisite fruit from Africa. Anyone interested please send me a PM
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Mike Tr says...
Heya Dada you are a world traveller.There is no PM facility so an exchange of email addresses is normal here.
Junglesops are good but the Ecuadorian fruits at your finger tips may arouse even more interest this neck of the woods.
Australia has only a few Annonidium plants by the way and it appears none are producing yet.
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David says...
Sounds interesting always up for a challenge. Yes am interested
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David says...
email is dphuntbrisatgmaildotcom
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JohnMc1 says...
Hi Dada,
Just wondering how you obtained your seeds? Do you have contacts in Africa? Im chasing Oyster Nut vine seed, Telfairia Pedata, mostly available in Africa as well.
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sternus1 says...
John you should really Join the tropical fruit forums international site. That place will be a lot more productive for you than these boards.

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JohnMc1 says...
Yes, s, I do frequent a couple of sites. I'm also a newsletter only member of two clubs up your way. I've left messages with Amy in Hawaii who has it growing. She posts spasmodically so I wait patiently for a response.
There was a guy in Sydney (Hans Muller)who personally went to Africa to bring this vine back to Australia, I believe he is not with us anymore.
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sternus1 says...
I'm wheeling and dealing at the moment John, I'll see if I can help. I can always use things like finger lime seeds, lemonade seeds and cultivated black sapote seeds for trade. My rule is I share the kill, if that makes sense.
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Mike Tr says...
Sternus good luck pulling down big game.If you have enough seed collateral you might bag some trophy species.
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JohnMc1 says...
Yes, same s. Sent seed to many os addys.
What's so great about lemonade seed? Is it rare outside Aus? If you were talking Sumo.. that's a well known story, and mine are doing great.
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sternus1 says...
Hit the nail on the head John--Lemonade is virtually unheard of outside of Australia.

I have a feeling Dekopon will turn up grafted in the next few years, so I'll skip growing them from seed methinks. They are on of those things that are as good as people say they are.
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MaryT says...
sternus1 my neighbour gave me a marmalade the other day and there is a total of ONE seed inside and it didn't look very good. Not worth sending ; anyway I don't have your address.
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sternus1 says...
You don't really need to send me anything Mary, I'll still send you the fig.

You'll be very happy with this particular variety ;) as you'll be one of five or so in Australia who can claim to have it.
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MaryT says...
Thanks, s1; I hope I don't kill it then. My neighbour promised to save seeds but I can only remind her so many times.
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sternus1 says...
It'll be ok. I'll need your address again: L J O 84 AT HUSH MAIL DOT COM
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JohnMc1 says...
s, I have a mature lemonade tree here if you get short of seed for your wheelin' N dealin"
Yes, a grafted Decopon would be great, but the directors of Pacific Fresh are holding on to it very tightly. The Decopon seedlings are fast growers, doing very well. Only seven years to go.
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sternus1 says...
I can always use them John. Getting a lot of requests for tropic sun custard apple, but since it's so new I don't know anybody who has seeds--I've never seen a tropic sun custard apple.

Citrus grow more true than is popularly believed, there's no reason why your dekopon won't be up to scratch I reckon. Pacific fresh will probably come on board eventually, once they release that they're shooting themselves in the foot by not licensing their brand. The ones that have been sold in Aus do look different than what I saw in Japan--the japanese (shiranui) were more bumpy/warty looking. Definitely the best variety I've tried.

The hickson you recommended a while back is coming along strong, I've bought another which is on dwarfing rootstock, 20 bucks at bunnings. I think I'll only plant out hickson and satsumas until the dekepon becomes available, citrus require a lot of upkeep at my place between the grasshoppers, scale and leaf miner. My pest oil bills are through the roof.
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JohnMc1 says...
s, I'll put the Lemonade seed aside for you. It's on dwarfing rootstock, no mention of it when purchased.
My Tropic sun has two fruit forming on it now, it looks more like a sugar apple with it's large overlapping carpels. I'll upload a pic when I get a chance.
TS is a hybrid (Atemoya), so a lot of variation. I grafted some TS material onto Cherimoya rootstock 18 months ago and are growing strong.
I also bought a Satsuma last year and left a couple of fruit on, very sweet and very early, earlier than Silver Hill.

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Dada1 says...
Hi John,
Yes I have a contact in Africa. Let me know what you want. Because of the large distance and complicated logistics I prefer clients that order a certain quantity.
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Dada1 says...
Hi John,
I can get you Telfairia occidentalis, any interest in Garcinia cowa and Garcinia gumi gutta?
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JohnMc1 says...
I'd love some Telfairia Spp. seeds but I'm only a backyard grower so unable to place an order of any significance, unless someone else was interested. I know the seed has good longevity.

Happy to pay $US25 for 6-10 seeds delivered, or something along those lines. Are you a member of any tropical fruit sites that could vouch for your reliability? Cheers.
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JohnMc1 says...
Getting in early for some Annonidium manii (junglesop)seeds if anyone has a contact.
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sternus1 says...
John, junglesop trees come up for sale quite regularly on gumtree. It's worth having a look on there from time to time. ive got some seeds germinating now but it's been a while and they haven't come up yet.
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JohnMc1 says...
Gumtree? of all places. I'll have to widen my search criteria. I think the fruit ripens around April north of the equator which makes it mid springtime.
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Fay says...
Hi John,
Did your Telfairia seeds ever germinate? I noticed on another forum that you managed to get some seeds. I'd like to buy some seeds but the place where you bought them from are sold out at the moment.
I'd love to hear how yours are going and how they'll handle the winter.
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JohnMc1 says...
Hi Fay, only one Telfairia seed germinated out of 8. Pretty useless until I find a plant of the opposite sex.
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Fay says...
I can only imagine how upset you would feel about that John. Just getting them into Australia would have been nerve wracking.. Postage and the difference in the Aussie dollar can make some of these plants a very expensive acquisition, and the green curtain can make things a little daunting.
Will you try again? When they become available again, I'm going to give it a go.
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JohnMc1 says...
Yes I may have a local source, they've been in Australia for ~30 years.
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Fay says...
Can you tell me where? The seeds are so large that I can't imagine how they'd get through the post from overseas.
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denise1 says...
There are thousands of species of seeds that are allowed into the country. It is an urban myth that all seeds have to be sneaked in.There is a website that shows what seeds are allowed in.
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JohnMc1 says...
ICON search:
ICON is Department of Agriculture's import conditions database. It contains the Australian import conditions for more than 20,000 plant, animal, microbial, mineral and human products.

http://apps.daff.gov.au/icon32/asp/ex_querycontent.asp
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Fay says...
Yes, I know about the ICON website; that's how I know Telfairia sp. is not allowed to be imported.
Every time I import seeds, I look it up on this site. Denise 1, I didn't know there was an urban myth that all seeds have to be sneaked in to Australia. I buy seeds from overseas with a clear conscience all the time.

It would be good to know of a local source. I'll keep looking.
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JohnMc1 says...
Fay, I still don't have a secure source in Aus as yet, still making enquiries. Next summer, I'll see if it will grow by tip cuttings, hopefully like other Curcurbitaceae Spp, if so, we have at least one of the Telfairia sexes to share around.
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Fay says...
John, I think now is the time of year to find seeds fresh from Africa because April, May is their planting time. Also, they say the best seeds are the ones that sprout inside the "pumpkin" so I'd have to think enzymes play a good part in germination because the fruit casing breaks down fast apparently. I found one blog where the guy from Africa places the seeds point down in the soil, but I can't find a reference to that anywhere else.
I've messaged the people who have the Hans Muller story and I'm waiting on a reply.
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Fay says...
John, I've just had a reply and they don't believe we'll ever find an Australian source because of their limited lifespan due to mold infecting their roots and incompatibility of males and females (that one is a first for me. Who would think that plants don't find each other pretty enough).
Apparently in Africa, they are treated as annuals. Taking cuttings sounds like a good idea to me until you can find a pretty enough plant of the opposite sex 😄
You'll need a lot of land to grow enough to produce. Have you got a photo of the one you're growing?
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JohnMc1 says...
I found with GAC that you had to hand pollinate so these might be similar.
I've tried to up these this morning but didn't work. Here's another go. Been trying to air layer an offshoot with nothing to write about just yet.

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Fay says...
Thanks for the pics John. They look very healthy and large for only a few months old. I'm wondering how they'll go with our cold winters because some African plants cark it when the first chill hits the air. Do you get frost? Will you cover it?
When you planted the seeds, did you use a mycorrhizal application? Or any special method? There are secrets to germinating some seeds that some people would never think to use. Some African seeds even need percussion to germinate.
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trikuslaptop1 says...
Recieved a fantastic gift recently from visitors , it is a 'Junglesop' seedling . A very rare fruit tree from Africa . Have only seen a pic in one of our 'Rare Fruit Review' magazine articles written by intrepid explorer Alan Carle of The Botanicl Ark . Here is what wikipedia has to say ; Anonodium mannii (Junglesop) is a fast-growing tropical African tree that grows to 830 m high, with a girth of up to 2 m.[1] It has 2040 cm long leaves and large flowers which produce edible fruits generally around 46 kg, but which can be up to around 15 kg. Fruit flavor is rich but variable and is sometimes described as an acquired taste, though the fruits are generally in high demand in Africa, with large fruits commanding high prices. The fruit is a favorite with local people (who refer to it as "bobo"[2]) and other primates, especially bonobos.
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MIke T1 says...
Did you get it from Peter as I passed one on to him recently,unless it was Troy.
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trikuslaptop1 says...
The Good Doctor was source Mike , they did a trip to Africa a few years ago and seeds may have been produced locally . Peter now should have another clone . Yes it's great to have more people interested in growing equatorial exotics .
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Mike Tr says...
I have a feeling the Doc may have received it from Troy rather than his trip.I heard there was a larger tree or two around but whether it has fruited is the question.They would still mostly go back to that same African source except for larger older trees.
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sternus1 says...
This Troy character doesn't happen to have a (Twin?) brother does he? Bought a couple of Jsops of one of them...extremely weird dudes, I've got to say.
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MIke T1 says...
I don't know if Troy has a twin but I do know most Junglesops and in fact many African rare plants came from him.He collects rare flowering trees especially cauliflorous types.My dealings with him have all been positive and he may be construed as eccentric but many of us are.He is generous and dropped off a bunch of plants to me without prompting.I previously pass on a pot of sprouting Garcinia prainianas as he was chasing these and had trouble finding them.
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Lisar says...
If anyone has any info or seeds for junglesop please let me know. I have 2 sprouting here in south Florida, however information and pictures are sparse. Would love to hear any growing experience or pictures?
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denise1 says...
The junglesop seeds are currently in stock at Fruitlovers in Hawaii.
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Lisar says...
Hey, thanks I just ordered seeds from them. Just wondering if anyone has any current pictures. Near impossible to get images of this tree or see anyone growing it.
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Trikus says...
Large seedling at Fruit Forest Farm
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Lisar says...
Oh wow thank you! Tap roots on mine now are about 5 or 6 inches long with no leaves yet. Very hopeful that I can grow it here in Southwest Florida. Interested in hearing from anyone growing it?


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Mike Tr says...
I have a few more seedlings that may end up in that nursery.
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Lisar says...
Oh wow, are you growing them? Trying to figure out temps they will take. Boy if you're looking to sell seedlings? How long did if take your seeds to germinate?
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Mike Tr says...
I don't grow them as they are a bit big and take a while to fruit. Seeds take up to a year to germinate and the plants probably don't do as well south of Townsville.
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Mishmak1 says...
Dada1 do you still have any Telfairia occidentalise (ugu) seeds?
I have been looking everywhere for some native Igbo food plants that I can grow at home without much luck, besides bitter leaf. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Dada says...
No right now I have onli Annina herzogiiGarcinia brasilensis and some Duguetias
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