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allan starts with ...
My main hobby is planting fruit trees and I love passionfruit but not the sour nelly kelly variety that is widely available in victoria. Can anyone help me out? Are there any of the sweet varieties that can be planted in Victoria and where can I buy them.
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Eve says...
allan I have, for the first time this year, succesfully raised banana passionfruit from seed in Canberra. The banana passionfruit are supposed to cope with the cold better than other varities and they can be perennial if you have them in a frost protected spot.

I will find out later on I suppose if this is the case.
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allan says...
thanks eve, Daley has this variety so i will get/buy one of them and try it out. I might try the sweet granadilla as well.
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allan says...
Eve is the bannana variety of the passion fruit - sweet ??
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Ju says...
Allan, Judy here. I lived in Colombia South America for many years and the Banana Passion fruit grew everywhere there as did the Granadilla. I loved the flavour of the Banana Passion Fruit. Over there one way they prepared it was as a smoothie. You put the banana Passion fruit in a blender with sugar and milk (as it's not acid it doesn't curdle the milk) then blend it till you see the seeds settle at the bottom and proceed to strain them out and there you have your smoothie it's delicious. The grandilla is beautiful just spooned or sucked out of the shell it's not acid at all, just like sweet nectar. I've just got one started here in Kingaroy Qld. which I hope will grow as we have had so much drought that who knows. I've bought some banana passion fruit seeds so I'm hoping to be able to grow them as well.. I've been told here that in some areas they are declaring it a weed but if you put it where it can climb and spread out you shouldn't have a problem. I grew them before when I lived in Nanango Qld. with no problem at all.. Just the drought killed it in the end. It needs protection from heavy frost as well as does the granadilla.
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allan says...
Thanks Judy, I will definitely plant a bannana variety. On another website, someone stated that her bananna variety was tasteless but it grew out of the root stock. (in South Australia) I was told by daleys that the sweet granadilla will not survive the Melbourne winter. I am hopeful with the bananna variety as it survived in the Canberra - ACT. Daleys recommend that I plant a black variety but i suspect the black variety are all sour. Thanks again.
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Ju says...
No worries Allan. The banana passionfruit has a completely different flavour to the other ones as I suppose it is bland next to the other normal ones.. In South America the two have different names completely the banana one is called a "Curuba" and the other varieties are called "Maracuya" then the granadilla is just called that. With the sour varieties.. we prepared them by putting the pulp of 15 fruit in a blender then adding water to half fill the blender and blending it till the seeds all dropped to the bottom, seperated from the pulp then you strain and mush out as much pulp etc through the strainer, throw out the seeds and put the pulp and water mixture back in the blender with about a cup of sugar depends what sort of sweet tooth you are, and top it up with water then blend again. Makes about a 2 litre jug of delicious juice to drink. It never lasted long in my fridge smile
My neighbours grew granadilla in Nanango, Qld where we did get frosts but they planted it on the eastern side of their house protected against the wall and they had three sides of the area protected by shade cloth. My sister grows it in the Glass House Mountain area near the Sunshine Coast which is much more tropical to Kingaroy and Nanango. It is a bit fussier to grow than the other ones.
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Adam says...
In Melbourne the red (dark pink) flowered banana passionfruit grows like a weed (saw one plant covering three backyard fences on the weekend). I find the fruit insipid, but maybe it is a question of what you are use to (I also don't think much of the larger panama type).
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Eve says...
alan I agree with the above comments re the banana passionfruit. They are blander than the sourer darker skinned types like Ned Kelly but I like them.

I like Ju's suggestion of a smoothie - will definitely try that once it fruits.

In Jackie French's book Backyard Self-Sufficiency, she also reports success with banana passionfruit if it is protected from the harsher frosts. I would think if it survives in a sheltered spot in Canberra, that Melbourne should be ideal.
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allan says...
I will not try the granadilla then as if it struggles in Qld. I really got zero chance in Melb. The passion fruit vines grow wild in Singapore and Malaysia, the soft skinned yellow variety are just so flavoursome, aromatic and sweet. So different from the dark skinned Nelly Kelly. I wonder if the black variety sold by Daleys is the same ? i.e. just as sour and sappy. Thanks to all.
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Adam says...
It is odd to here you describe the dark skinned passionfruit as sour and sappy as I would rate them as the most intensely flavored (by a long degree) and sweet-sour rather then sour.

They are best used when very ripe, to the point that the husk is shriveling. If they are picked when they look plump they are often not ripe enough.
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allan says...
Thanks Adam, maybe it is because i have not tried it really shrivelled up. They are difficult to cut open when shrivelled up and the skin has dried up. The tropical ones tasted so different. All the nurseries in Melb. only have the nelly kelly variety. They are unable or unwilling to bring in other varieties. I enquired and their wholesalers only have the nelly kelly. Thanks.
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Adam says...
Apart from the banana type, many of the other varieties are sub-tropical or tropical. Without a lot of care they don't do well in Melbourne (as a vine they are difficult to cover etc).

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peter says...
allan,
which soft skinned yellow variety are you refering too.
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allan says...
I am sorry peter, I do not know the name but they grow wild, same size as the nelly kelly, turns yellow like a bananna when ripe but is absolutely delicious. Very sweet, nil sourness or sappiness. Very fragrant as well. You can find it in the botanical gardens in Malaysia and Singapore. The locals just help themselves to it during ripening season. Soft skin so the locals slice the top off and just suck the contents. Once you try one of these, you would not want to eat a nelly kelly.
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peter says...
so i take it that they are not available in australia.
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allan says...
I have not seen it yet. Next time I am up in Qld, i will try out every variety available. Certainly this grown wild variety that i am talking about is not in Daleys catalogue.
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Louise says...
Hi, Did you finally get the sweet variety of passion fruit? If yes, where did you get?
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trikus says...
I tried some orange soft skin passionfruits in Indonesia many years ago .. they called it markisa ?
Closest I can find is this one ..
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/water_lemon.html
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amanda says...
Unless u live in a winter warm, summer hot climate etc..your passionfruit will ALWAYS be tangy..verging on sour.

Sorry - but it's true. Simple solution: just add some of that new low-GI sugar and it's all great.

Otherwise provide the right microclimate eg: a heat retaining wall, facing north, north west etc, for them (eg: brick,masonary etc).

I live in a climate a fair bit warmer than Melb - dry sub-tropics.. and I still have to provide the right micro-climate..so u have buckelys in Melb without it.. IMO. It's great to try - but u also have to be realistic about your environment... :)
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VLR says...
My parents planted a couple of Nelly Kelly passionfruit vines and they produced great fruit here in Perth. We only ate them when they were slightly shrivelled - they should fall off the vine when you touch them if ripe. If you have to pull them off then they're under-ripe (much like a mulberry). I like to add the pulp of slightly under-ripe ones to fruit salad, it's the best in summer!
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culebra says...
Get a banana passionfruit Passiflora mollissima. they love the victorian climate IME and will grow very rampantly. also good for covering up a fence etc.
flowers are very ornamental like all Passiflora spp. The taste of the fruit is alright and i prefer to it to the nelly kelly types (of which i have only tasted victoria-grown selections which have all been sour). make sure you eat fully ripe fruit (very soft, yellow, darkish flesh) or they can be insipid. also the seeds are rock hard and can be annoying. eat them outside and spit the seeds out and do some propagating ;) they self-seed readily. Interestingly these plants and even the ripe fruit are seemingly untroubled by birds, possums et al. caterpillars can really defoliate the vines at times though IME.

The banana passionfruit is considered by some authorities to be a weed yet ironically can be surprisingly difficult to acquire and i seem to see few of them in gardens here in Melb. even moreso i hardly ever see them growing wild in Vic. In some areas of Tas i've seen them take over some remnant native bushland but only in disturbed areas near sites of human habitation.

I also see Passiflora caerulea-- Blue passion flower occasionally in Vic (at least i think that's what it is).
i think its also used as a rootstock for the commercial varieties, but im not sure. i have not tasted the fruit of this one (which is orange) but internet reports range from 'disguisting' to 'slightly less flavoursome than P.edulis'.
this one grows just impossibly quickly you can't believe it. it also likes cooler climates i believe.
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culebra says...
i also see another type of Passiflora in Melbourne gardens sometimes. it has large dark red flowers sort of like P.mollissima and a similar growth habit. i was on the train last week and i looked out the window and saw one covering like 3 whole backyard fences and had heaps of blooms. pretty crazy. anyone know what that one could be?
i'm used to the degree of invasiveness being in the form of Ipomoea purpurea- Morning glory and common ivy types.
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Jantina says...
My sister has Passiflora caerula (which I think is also known as Maypop growing in Holland and it certainly is hardy hers has survived a lot of frost and even snow also it's at least 20 years old and still healthy. She says the fruit is delicious. If it's already in Oz I would love to lay my hands on some seed. Does anyone know where I can get some?
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culebra says...
if i'm correct some of the grafting stocks used for nelly kelly passionfruit and the like are either P.mollissima or P.caerulea so that could be one source. one often sees the bottom stock of the grafts sprout shoots and they invariably have thinner leaves. i could well be wrong though.
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Jantina says...
Thanks culebra will check that out.
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jessie says...
hi can anyone please tell me the name of a passionfruit, i will try my best to describe it, it is soft like the banana passionfruit but it is round and more of a orange colour, and tastes devine, not sour at all, my nan had it growing in her backyard for years against the back fence and the flowers were white, i would dearly love to get one for my garden now, thanks j
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peter says...
was the pulp a bright red colour.
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Louise says...
Thank you all for the information provided. I will then watch out to find a Banana passionfruit.
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loza says...
I have recently bought a ned kelly passionfruit to climb along my chook fence.But I am uncertain how well it can tolerate frost,as up hear in winter it can sometimes snow.
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janec71 says...
Hi Eve, would you be willing to sell any of your passion fruit vines (I just want one). I live in Woden ACT. Jane
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Lyndall says...
Hi there, I need some help!

My passionfruit has flowerd for the first time there are millions of flower buds.

But the flowers seem to open fine but then die and drop off? I am unsure if that is right but it dosnt seem to be fruiting?

Whats going on, it seems super healthy!

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Tiggerbow says...
Do you have many bees around?. I think the bees are needed for pollination. You could try pollinating them your self with a little soft paintbrush or a cotton tip.
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Lyndall says...
great thanx for that, yeh for some reason no bees?? Very strange. I did attempt to self pollinate today, so we'll see how that goes!
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Dorothy says...
My passionfruit had an enormous crop and just days before I had decided to pick them something (I think possums) came one night and stripped the all.
Is there anything I can use this year to protect the crop?
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Lofty says...
My mom grew Passionfruit (Nelly Kelly) in Buchan (vic) when I was a kid. We had -8 degree winters. She looked after them though....covered them with hession and fed them with lots of cow and sheep manure.Trying to grow them in Jindabyne. Will see how they look after winter.
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Klaus says...
You will find banana passionfruit Passiflora Mollissima in the Dandenong Ranges. But you have to be fast and very careful. As they are considered a weed they get sprayed with herbicides.
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ringelstrumpf says...
I bought an ungrafted passionfruit in our nursery last year and it did not survive the winter in the Upper Mountains. Maybe I should try a banana passionfruit.
Do birds go after them?
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Linton says...
Granadilla
Do grafted Granadillas need hand pollinating to produce fruit?

I was suprised that Daleys say that Granadillas won't grow in Melbourne because the local Bunnings here is currently selling them grafted onto normal black Passionfruit.

The only question I still have is do they still need pollinating?
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Julie says...
Linton, nurseries sell all kinds of plants that are unsuitable for the local climate. Their reaoning is that shoppers come from all over, not just nearby.
But we have all been caught when we were new growers and didn't know any better!
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Linton says...
Markisa - Indonesian Passionfruit

I was going to get some Markisa seeds from Indonesia until I saw on the internet where it said that Markisa are the same as Sweet Granadilla.

I would like to know this for sure as there will be no point growing Markisa if they are the same. Thanks.
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amanda says...
I agree Julie..it's crazy. And just because Bunno's or such sells the plant - it doesn't give it or the variety a 'stamp of approval' at all. Very frustrating - but a case of buyer beware perhaps?
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Mike says...
Indonesia has flavicarpas that are usually yellow and not sweet like those bred in australia.In fact most flavicarpas outside this country are not sweet.They also have P.ligularis grown at higher elevations as it is subtropical.They vary alot in quality with very good to rather poor types.I did not know P.quadrangularis was grown anywhere in SE Asia and they are really 2 species now.I understand that there is only a bit of variation genetically and most quality differences are due to environmental factors.They will fruit on their own without hand pollination in the tropics.
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Cin says...
Hi,

Could I possibly get some tips on helping out this passionfruit vine that is on the property we have recently purchased.

It is very yellow at the top. Should I give it a feed and prune it back?

Thanks
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Xiem says...
I think they are shallow rooted Cin and therefore don't like competing with weeds. Maybe put some newspaper or cardboard around the base and heap some compost and/or manure on top. You could fertilise with something that contains trace elements including zinc but not too much nitrogen or the plant will grow leaves and no fruit.
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Linton says...
Markisa - Indonesian Passionfruit

Apparently there are two types of Markisa in Indonesia - the white flesh and the yellow flesh. It is only the white type that is eaten as a fruit.
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Linton says...
Sweet Granadilla

The man at Bunnings said I don't need a second plant to pollinate their grafted Granadilla. He said there should be plenty of bees around in summer to pollinate it. Is this true?
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joe says...
We have been growing Sweet Granadilla (P Ligularis) here well. We are sub tropical here and at a altitude of over 3000ft and are subjected to light to moderate frosts, of which the plants have had no problems with so far. Pollination was a problem at the start, but eventually the bees discovered how to tackle the flowers and haven't had a problem since.I was recently in contact with a Lady in Auckland (NZ) who sent me pictures of her fruiting Sweet Granadilla looking and growing nicely.
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doof says...
Guys, be wary of the Bunnings Nellie Kelly sweet granadillas. You will notice that the leaves are the wrong shape and the flowers are the same as the standard black passionfruit Edulis. The roostock is the same blue passionfruit Caerulea they use for all their other grafts as i've pulled out suckers. At best I feel it is a hybrid (if that's even possible?) At worst it's a massive screw up. I gave it a try to see what would happen as I can't get reliable seedlings or seeds. Can't wait for Daleys to start production. Best variety to eat straight from the fruit and completely different to the others.
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Shirlea says...
I have a ned Kelly passion fruit about 2 yrs old loads and loads flowers no fruit what can I do thanks Shirlee
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Brendan says...
Hi Shirlea, try spraying with liquid Potash. I'd spray twice weekly for 3 or 4 weeks.
http://www.beenleighfarmsupplies.com.au/eshop/Searles-Liquid-Potash-Plus-250mL.html
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Linton says...
Sweet Granadilla will be coming out - anyone want?

The Sweet Granadilla has been growing wildly with heaps of flowers for the last 2 seasons but no fruit ever came.

Now it's making a lot of new shoots all over the ground - not sure if they're spreading from underground or above where the vines touch the ground but it's like a rampant weed.

In view of these 2 problems I've decided to remove it.
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coastie says...
The granadilla flowers are so exotic, and have to be hand pollinated and then huge fruit come but they are not really nice to eat...well ours weren't anyway.
The fruit was football size and drops off when it is ripe.Seedlings have been coming up in the garden for the last 3yrs.
The vine was rampant and just tookover,but it was the challenge which gave it a brief live at our place.
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