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Brad starts with ...
I've been reading about Avocado named varieties - I can't find all my answers and am a bit confused by contradictory information (e.g. some say don't fertilize or they get too tall, others say fertilize lots)

Does anyone know a reliable Avocado reference for multiple named cultivars (and rootstocks)?
Can you plant A & B type (dwarf) trees in the same hole?
How much smaller than the unpruned sizes can they reasonably be kept?
Is cincturing a non-dwarf a reasonable approach for the small home garden? (I've never done this before)
What about restricting the roots? (e.g. pot in ground)

I'm thinking about a spot at the base of my front door verandah, facing east. (i.e morning full sun, afternoon shade). To keep the verandah light, I'd like to keep whatever I plant to max 2-2.5m high. I can go a bit wider than this.

The Wurz seems the best dwarf variety (A type). I've seen Reed (large fruit) described as both a small tree and a HUGE tree. Haas seems to be extremely popular, but too largea tree for me? Rincon was stated as a dwarf B type, but I can't find much information on it (or a seller for WA).

Thanks for any tips
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Brendan says...
Hi Brad,
The rule about fertilizing avos is don't fertilize your newly planted tree until 9 to 12 months have passed, as it can kill them. After that, it's ok.

Yes, I have heard about planting an A & B type in one hole, and apparently it works? I think they planted them about 1 metre apart?

I'm trying to keep my avo trees to ~ 3.5 to 4 metres high, but my seedling avocados, which grow very tall, I've been pruning back to a size I can spray easily.

The Wurtz (A) and Rincon (A) are both dwafts ~3m tall, the Pinkerton (A) and Lamb Hass (A) are classed as semi-dwafts,~4m tall. The smallest type (B) would be the Shepard, ~4.5m tall, but I'm not planning to let any of my grafted trees get too tall. Just prune them back.

Have a search on this forum (top right), and you'll find info about planting them in sandy or clay soils. I plant mine on top of the ground, (I'm in clay), then mound up to the tree with a mix of lots of gypsum, composted cow manure & 'el-cheapo' potting mix, that has no fertilizer. I then cover this mound with more gypsum, then mulch with a coarse mulch.
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Brad says...
Thanks Brendan. You're right too, Rincon is A type.

Does anyone have only a Wurz variety in Perth (or similar climate) and can tell me how well they self-polinate?
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Brendan says...
Hi Brad,
Nearly all avocado trees will 'self-pollinate'. It's just that you are supposed to get more fruit by having an 'A' & 'B' type.

Don't forget, bees can travel up to 10 klms, so anyone in a 10 k radius that has an avocado tree, can help pollinate your tree :-)
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Tommoz says...
Brendan are you serious? I wanted to plant a second avocado 30m from my current tree and was wondering how effective that would be, given I have a few other things in between. Surely bees dont travel 10km from the hive, and there would be barely enough avocado pollen in decent concentrations by that stage anyway.
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MaryT says...
I was told bees travel 'five miles radius' from their hive so Brendan is right, if a hive is equal distance between your avocado and another :)
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Boris Spasky says...
Your kidding yourself. Bees ain't like birds flying around looking for your avocado tree. They forage.
The key to keeping bees in your area is to have plenty of perennial flowering plants, rather then to hope they arrive in time to pollinate your trees.
And if you like your insecticides (even less toxic ones like spinosad (Success)), then you might as well start hand pollinating.
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MaryT says...
:) I was kidding; Boris Spasky :) but I think Brendan is always serious. :)
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Haakon says...
The question is still interesting. There is a large avocado at the bottom of my hill, say 200m away. I wonder if that would do. I would count on the bees to do it though. In the suburbs bees are spoilt for choice. There is almost always some major tree near my place flowering and bees tend to prefer a single flow type if they can get enough of it.
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Tommoz says...
This document goes into some detail: http://ucanr.org/sites/alternativefruits/files/121264.pdf

In sum very little cross pollination beyond 2 rows. Bees have a high preference for sticking to the one tree.
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Brendan says...
Hi All,
Copied this from this site: http://www.abc.net.au/gardening/stories/s2688801.htm

"Since bees travel anywhere up to 10km away to gather pollen and nectar, their pollination services extend way beyond your garden or those of your neighbours".

If the ABC says they travel up to 10km, then it must be right! (right? :-)

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VF says...
My problem with the bees is that the Avo's were last on their list of flowers - citrus was the winner by a mile,even the flowering gums were doing better. The main pollinators for the Avo's ended up being hover-flys, ants and some beetles. (And there are plenty of bees around, as someone has a five box hive across the road). Bees are just fussy little sods!
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Tommoz says...
Yes, avocado flowers look very dull to bees (the petals are a bland green for one).

They just can't compete with other flowers. It might be an idea if your avocados flower after citrus to remove all the competition once they've been pollinated.
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Brendan says...
The Aussie native bees seem to like avocado flowers, up here anyway ;-) (must be a hive around here somewhere).
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MaryT says...
Brendan the ABC copied and pasted from our forum, I think :)) I'm sure I've read that here before :)
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Haakon says...
Brendan, I googled bee range and found plenty of opinions on how far a bee might range. The most intuitive would be a close to home as possible. So if you live in an area with lots and varied gardens area they probably are not going that far from home. If you live amongst empty paddocks and stand of trees flowering a coupla/few km away they will probably go there. One site (beesource) reckons there is a distance between 4 and 5 miles where the hive starts losing weight because more honey is being consumed than made.
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Brendan says...
Makes sense to me Haakon.
I remember where I got the 10km from, I heard Dr Karl Kruzeniski on ABC radio say it about five years ago. God only knows where he got it from?
(What he said was bees CAN travel up to 10kms :-)

Is that bicolour or sun & snow corn in your pic on the right? Lot bigger than mine! :-)
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Haakon says...
Cannot remember what corn Brendan, the photo is about 4 years old.
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Db says...
How is Sheppard variety as compared to Hass or Secondo? Taste and productivity-wise? How abt suitability of Sheppard in Brisbane?
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Mike says...
Shepard likes it warmer but would be alright still and they are very productive. The taste is different but on par with hass but the seed is bigger.
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Db says...
Thanks Mike for your reply.. I'm planning to get Secondo which is A type, what B type variety you will recommend to go with Secondo (considering flowering season, pollination and taste)? or How abt Reed(A) and Sheppard(B) combination?
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BJ says...
I would go with an Edranol. And I have. Its a tall, narrow tree and flowers extremely heavily (dumping most leaves while it does). Seems to coincide with Secondo.
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Db says...
Thanks BJ.. But looks like both Secondo and Edranol will not be available soon.. Daleys told me Secondo won't be available until 2014 and Edranol is not even in production yet :( Any other place to get Edranol?
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Brendan says...
Might be able to buy an Edranol avo here Db, http://www.sunraysianurseries.com.au/products/avocado
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Db says...
Thanks Brendan.. Does anyone knows if Bunnings still stocks it?
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BJ says...
They had them last year, but it looks like they are mostly pushing wurtz and hass again this year. You could call Birdwood (who stocks them with Edranol up here) and ask if they have released any this season.

If you get stuck, I have a spare here...
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Db says...
Thanks BJ, I will give call to Birdwood and also to local Bunnings to see if they have any..

Do you mean you have extra plant? or u mean you can give cuttings for grafting?

Also, at what age this variety can start fruiting? and does it set fruit well by itself like secondo?
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BJ says...
I have one spare in a long pot. It should start fruiting as soon as it is large enogh. They flower extremely heavily from the first blooming season after they are grafted, but need some size to hold fruit. I'm unsure if its a great self-pollinator. Reed is supposed to be about the best of the selfies. Here is a little blurb about pollination:

Do I need to plant more than one tree for pollination?

It is widely accepted by experts that you can increase your avocado production by planting more that one type of avocado tree. The complication is that you cannot plant just any two trees; you need an A type and a B type. A type trees have female flowers open in the morning, which become male in the afternoon, B types open male in the morning and female later in the day. It is good to have one of each so that you have both male and female flowers open at the same time. However, if the average daily temperature (day and night temperatures) drops below 70, the bloom becomes irregular and the same tree can have both male and female flowers open and available for pollination. Thus it is possible to have only one avocado tree and still set a heavy crop, but youre fighting nature. Biologically, the whole point of this A and B flower strategy is to avoid self pollination and in-bred progeny, and dont think the tree stops there. It has also been shown that self pollinated fruitlets on Hass trees drop off at a much higher rate than fruitlets pollinated from some diverse pollen source; the more unrelated the suitable pollen parent, the more likely will a fruitlet hang on to achieve a state of guacamole. The Reed avocado is renown for being fairly self-fruitful, while the Gwen is famous for its promiscuous nature, bearing well only in the presence of multiple pollinators.

http://www.epicenteravocados.com/faq/
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Db says...
Hi BJ, thanks for reply..I called Birdwood and local bunnings and they don't have it.. Birdwood said this they don't have any this time and it goes to growers and not to retailer..

I can buy yours if you don't need your spare one.. How old and tall it is? May be we can exchange few other plants..
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Db says...
Hi BJ, interested in selling your Edranol?
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starling says...
Sharwil is the best, but I reckon you have to give it absolutely everything it needs. I've had some from well cared for trees and some from moderately cared for trees, and this difference in quality between either case is great. Be aware you need a has to pollinate the sharwil, I don't know if lamb has would do it, but this is also a very high quality fruit bearing tree (purple flesh with a really oily yet firm flesh).
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starling says...
DB,

I would try sunraysia nurseries. They stock pretty much every avocado and citrus you can get.

http://www.sunraysianurseries.com.au/
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Db says...
Thanks Starling, but I'm first trying to get it locally so that its cheaper.. May be I can get 2 avocado plants locally at the price of one from sunraysia nurseries considering their shipping cost.. Not sure abt their pricing and shipping cost to Brisbane though...

Sharwil is one more variety to consider now, looks like there too many good varieties of avocado... I actually need only one plant if self-pollinating with good crop.. decision, decision to make ...
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VF says...
Db, have you tried Templex yet? If they don't have what you want, they try hunt it down for you. Their ph. 07 32733035.
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Db says...
VF, thanks, I'll give them call tomorrow, they r not far from my place so I might even visit. This nursery is very nice, 6 months back I bought cape gooseberry from them n it turned out extremely productive already, my daughter loves these berries n eating it almost every day now. Kwan mango I bought from them has started to flower now so I'll be interesting to see if it sets fruits (it's first season for it).
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Db says...
Oops, I mean to say King Thai Mango in my above post, not kwan mango..
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VF says...
Good-luck Db. Turners at Rochedale may be another option, but I've had no personal experience with them.
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David says...
Turners is not far from home and generally have a great selection of fruiting trees, also they sometimes stock those hard to find cultivars,personally ive had good a good experience with them in the past.
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David says...
Good news for avo cultivar searchers ,visited Turners just got home they have a good range of varieties including Edranol,also good range of dwarf mangoes and amazing seedling Mammey sapote trees approx. 1m tall.Good range of rare exotics to,go see.
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Db says...
Thanks David, I will visit them on next weekend or so.. I actually visited Templex today but they did not have any Edranol. What was the price tag on Avocado at Turners and how big were plants?
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VF says...
Good reconnaissance David! Thanks for extra info, I should really go see for myself.
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David says...
Edranol roughly 1m tall $49. I think
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Db says...
Thanks David, $49 seems to be costly...
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Db says...
Now I'm thinking to get Reed variety (as well) as they seem to best self pollinating and starts producing at early age but I have read few references which says reed crops heavily every alternate year. I'm not sure how true it is, any opinion? If true, does it crop very less in the year in which it doesn't crop heavily (like fuerte)?
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Db says...
Anyone know more about Reed avocado?
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Brendan says...
They are a very nice tasting avo Db, and don't usually go brown after they've been cut. An 'A' type, large upright tree with large fruit that bear late, around Sept to Dec, depending where you live. One of my favourites! Mine used to bear every year before phytophthora root rot killed it :-( Yates Anti Rot was not available back then!
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Db says...
Thanks Brendan, that helps.. When was the first time your fruited? I wonder if they can be grown in large growers bag (like 150L+) to avoid root rot in my clay soil here...
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Brendan says...
If you have clay soil Db, plant them on a mound at least 300mm high x 1200mm round. Only add gypsum & mulch. (Like mine in pic).
Mine took about 4 years to bear.
Imo, Reed would be too large to for pot/bag.
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Anonymous says...
If you have clay soil ,to make it free draining to grow subtropicals you will have to make sure you have adequate sand levels in your soil medium to draw down moisture levels away from clay particles,manure, composts or potting mixes in the soil to avoid waterlogging issues around roots.They are all moisture absorbants and you need a opposing force to suck moisture out of them which is sand.Best sand to use is the fine type like a lawn topping sand or washed filling sand or potting mix sand,having said all that a little gypsum is ok I have issues with gypsum in regards to salt,dont believe all the hype.I hope I have been of some help.
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yry says...
Sad to say adding sand to clay does not seem to work; in fact, you are part way to making cement. Better advice is to add organic matter plus gravel, lots of it ,say, 80% in total . Then plant on a slope or ,if unavailable, on a mound.
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Anonymous says...
Ive avoided having clay in my mixes exactly the reasons you've mentioned.I dont know the exact mixes with these other materials when clay is included. Ive never used gravel but point taken,What size gravel would you use?Is this the small grit type like in some potting mixes or something around 7mm or larger. Some of the grits have specific names or is it just plain gravel?
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Db says...
Thanks Brendan & Anonymous for tips. Limited space in my garden is one more reason to consider growing it in pot. Only space remaining in my garden is now close to house, will it be bad idea to plant avocado tree at close to wall say 1m?

So far most of my trees in containers are doing good. Avocado in pot might be altogether different story though, but looks like I'll give it a try 😉 Has anyone got good success with avocado on pot?

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David says...
Yes currently have a Wurtz in a pot ,been there for 3 yrs now doing ok. Most important to attend to nutrition and watering.
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David says...
Turners sell only good quality plants, imho.
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Brendan says...
Yes Db, it would be a bad idea to grow a Reed avo 1m away from house. Some of my 35yo avo tree roots can be found 10 to 12 metres from trunk :( Although their 'feeder' roots are close to the surface, note avo 'mulch' under my tree.
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Db says...
Thanks David, nice to know you are also trying it in pot.. Has it ever fruited so far? how tall and wide it is?

Thanks Brendan, after reading your above post I have now dropped idea of planting it close to house... I'll try growing it in growers bag once I purchase plant...
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David says...
flowered two times running this year has decided to expand its branches and leaves so no worries.Is very healthy
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Anonymous says...
Im seriously jealous over the amount of leaf mulch you have.An excellent source of humus when broken down.A key element in good soil composition.Great to mix with with lawn clippings, manure or straw,cane mulch etc used as mulch.Have fun.
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Brendan says...
Don't forget Anonymous, it's probably over 35 years old :) That's roughly 30 years of mulch, lol.
Yes, when I can, I try to give it cane mulch, manure, lawn clippings etc., extra P & K fertilizer & gypsum. I also like to give him a 'bit' of boron & zinc, that is 'supposed' help fruit set.
Funny thing, during the wet season, he eats nearly all that mulch :)
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VF says...
Hi Db, how bad do you want an Edranol? I found one at Bunnings Oxenford this evening. A bit scraggly looking, I think it has been looked over from a delivery late last year/early this year. It's in those squareish tubes that Birdwood uses, under $27. Has lost all its old leaves and has healthy new growth, and has one set pea-size avo. Tag has been lost, but EDR written on side of tube in gold marker like other Birdwood stock.
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Db says...
VF, thanks. Just couple of days back I've ordered reed variety considering its self-pollinating, upright tree and starts fruiting at early age as compared to other varieties. But edranol for $27 sounds tempting :)
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David says...
Well spotted Sherlock VF.Youre doing me out of a job.
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vlct says...
Hey quick question for you avo gurus .. I was told to take the flowers off my tree, which I've done. Now the tip and some of the top limbs have started to die back.. should I prune it off or leave it and hope some new growth will form up the top.
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The worst wurtz
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Brendan says...
Stupid question vict, who & why did someone tell you to remove the avo flowers?
Anyway, if that tree were mine, I'd prune it back to about 50mm above the tie, and seal the fresh cut.
Are you planning to keep it in the pot?, avos prefer growing in the ground, even Wurtz.
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vlct says...
In its early years. Same reason you'd take any other fruit trees flowers off. Wel I learnt my lesson. I'm only renting so theyl be staying in pots. My mate has huge avos in pots that set over 30kg every year.
What would u recommend sealing it with once I prune it. Cheers brendan
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vlct says...
Whats the wurtz flesh like mate ? Similar to any other variety ..
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Brendan says...
Hi vict, you can seal the cut with Tree Stac or Steri-prune. Any water-based paint can be used as well. Bunnings sell Steri-prune.
Wurtz are a good eating avo, just a fraction below Hass imo.
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Brain says...
vlct, can you check with your friend and get some secrets of growing avo in pots? I would dearly love to get a kilo, let alone 30kg.
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vlct says...
Hi Brian this ist apparently. My trunks surface roots have got pretty extreme I must admit.
It's $120 - $180 for 500mls tho, depending where u buy it from. He also uses 30% coco In his medium.
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Brain says...
anyone from the netherlands who can import some at mates rates?
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Anthony says...
Hi Brain, if you are after something to increase root mass and therefore, overall plant health, it may be worth looking at a product called Au60 Root Repair. Used a lot in hydro production apparently but from my own experience with potted fruiting plants (Brazilian cherry, dragonfruit and capers), this stuff eliminates transplant shock and causes roots to go berserk. I,m not sure where you buy it but it works wonders. Had it sent to me from a caper grower when the plants I received in the mail were crushed and out of their pots.Plants never looked back.
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Brain says...
hi and thanks, did some google, looks like an Australian product http://www.nulifetech.com.au/pdf/AU%2060%20Root%20Repair.pdf

and the company specialise in hydroponics.

For me, I'm just trying to get my avo to work. It's been struggling for a while and so far had no luck in getting it to be healthy, let alone flower and fruit.
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