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snottiegobble starts with ...
Just wondered if anyone has tried growing chocos in SW WA? I planted some in SW Vic but by the time the vine flowered it was autumn & the fruit never got to maturity.Huge fast growing plant though if you need to cover anything but pity its deciduous.
I have never seen
fruit for sale anywhere in WA.
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Jantina says...
Hi snottie, we grow choko here at Mt Gambier, it was loaded with fruit this autumn. Disappears over winter and shoots again when it warms up.It fights with pumpkin vines for space on the chookhouse fences.
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snottiegobble says...
Youre not all far from Colac yet there must be a big difference in temp.
Only been to M G once to visit the Blue lake, amazing!
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Lorna says...
Hi Guys,
I am in Albany WA (bottom left hand corner of WA), and I grow a white choko. They are daylight sensative, and will only start to produce flowers after the Summer Solstice (longest day) has been and gone. That can be a bit of a pain here, because sometimes if the frost comes early, the fruit are not really fully ripe. I grow it for the massive amounts of greens that it supplies for my goats and chooks through Summer, keeping up their Vitamin E when pasture is dry.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Hey Lorna, how white is the white choko? I have a palish green one but have been searching for a true white. I hear someone at the Byron Bay market sells them but haven't had any luck as yet. Phil.
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Rev says...
Yes there used to be a guy in bunbury just off the highway with it gong over the shed.
I collected them from there and grew them a few years
there were a dark green smallish with spines along the margins
see if you can find a local one rather than a supermarket or imported from the east

Id like to collect all australias chokos one day. When i have a place to keep them. Ive had several types, and then lost them. since no offical organsiastion is keeping them there is a danger they may die out with their growers..
If youve HAD to eat them you are probably sick of them, but i love their food security value
You could just grow them to shade the chook run in summer and supply greens for the chooks.
but just knowing its there as backup is nice

links

http://www.crescentcityfarmersmarket.org/index.php?page=adopt-a-mirliton

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening/1980-11-01/Growing-Chayote-Vegetable-Pear.aspx?page=2

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=T7W9-psgqWUC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=sechium+hybrid&source=bl&ots=XjwnbcnLpo&sig=2vZLXSCn55MJfFizw5JBseJ33Bw&hl=en&ei=PAjkS9THHc-TkAWPwI0J&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=sechium%20hybrid&f=false

http://www.crescentcityfarmersmarket.org/uploads/file/A_Guide_to_Growing_Mirlitons.pdf


http://www.nola.com/food/index.ssf/2009/08/a_fan_of_the_iconic_new_orlean.html

especially the last link
a story from post Katrina New orleans about Chokos and their comeback
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Charles cant spell says...
I have about 8 fruit sprouting now david, they are a bit big to send in the mail.
My mum is growing them in Pemby fine, like weeds. The Asian greengrocer in Innaloo Super IGA building has had them in for a few weeks now, but I have enough of my mothers that I know are local. If you are in the area.......drop in a grab a few things.
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snottiegobble says...
Thanks folks, I will check out Bunbury farmers market this week & see whats available.They had fresh tasting mangosteens last week, but as Jantina pointed out they cannot be local, & they are certainly not NT cause they have only just finished flowering.
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Lorna says...
Hey Phil, the Choko is a very, very pale cream colour. The chooks like them, and I use them in cooking. They are lovely picked small, around 2 inches, steamed and coated in garlic butter. No need to peel at this size. Good texture and delicate flavour.
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snottiegobble says...
Hell, if you can grow them in Albany Lorna I shouldnt have any trouble up our way. I would like to get some of the creamy ones they sound more palatable.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Lorna would you consider sending one east if I was able to reimburse you for it? I find chokos rewarding to grow, would love a change from the old green variety. Phil.
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Charles cant spell says...
I would be interested also in getting some but no rush happy with green at the moment but would like to get the white into the Permaculture WA seed saver hub when its convenient to send or one of us happens to be driving a long way :)
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Jason says...
I don't think Jantina's place would be any warmer than Colac, I'd actually think it would be cooler since it's so close to the sea. But the soil at her place would be worlds different to Colac and she has a pretty ideal North facing hill. I've got a choko from her vine now so I'll see if I can grow it in my crapy dirt :), should also be a near identical climate.

I always wanted to try the old spikey variety which is supposed to grow with weed like power here in Southern Vic but no one seems to have those ones anymore
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Lorna says...
My white one has a few spikes on it, but not enough to be an issue. It is very vigerous despite the neglect that it receives. I did not save any fruit this year (fed to the chooks and goats), because I could not find anyone that was interested in them. If I know anyone that wants them though, I would save them. There is nothing better than sharing edible plants from the garden with like minded people. I guess the end of Summer is the time to contact me for that one.
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Lorna says...
Meant to say-there is a picture of the chokos showing the colour on the Daleys My Edible Fruit Trees site. If you look to the right of this paragraph, and click on the "view all Lornas edible fruit trees" you will see them. This photo ws taken in winter when the vine had mostly died back.
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Charles cant spell says...
Ok, could you also save some Chilacayote or a cutting or something so I can get that in the PAWA Seed/Plant Bank also please, I was chasing that a few months ago round in circles.
Maybe give me an email on charlesotwayAThotmail.com (change the AT to @) and I can see if I have anything you are chasing amongst the collection.
Location in WA is irrelevant as long as there isn't the Quarantine between us :)
I know people going to Denmark pretty regularly.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Great garden pics Lorna, very inspirational. If you'd like to sell a couple of white chokos, I'll be in touch early next year. Phil (Nth NSW).
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snottiegobble says...
Guess what Jason, We were northwest of Colac near Red Rock & thats volcanic soil probably the most nutritional you can get once youve dug up all the rocks!
Sorry, you can never dig up all the rocks cause they keep coming to the surface. Can you explain that?
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Jason says...
What I was trying to say is that Jantina's ground is more sandy and will have a lot more lime in it and that can make one plant grow totally different there than it will in a acidic Volcanic soil like where my plants are. The choko definitely grows well there, I'm hopeful but will be surprised if it does as well here and I'm only 60 something? km away. I believe her white sapotes and Cherimoyas can grow faster than mine but I think I have the edge with Avocados.

I don't know if Colac has similar soil to me? but it might be since all the volcanoes around here are on a similar cycle (a geologist friend of mine told me a 15-25,000 year cycle?, it's due by the way:p). Pretty good idea to build Mount Gambier and Portland smack on top of large volcanos :) and Warrnambool about 10 minutes from one that blew itself inside out at some stage. but I guess if any of those citys can last 1000 years they will be doing well anyway :) even without the volcanoes waking up.

There's a few different lava flows here but my garden is in the red belt that cuts across the highway on the way to the sea, it's a red soil with solid red rocks (not many) you only hit rock maybe one in 5 trees you try and plant, but there's heaps of red iron gravel. Much different from Portland proper which is all a mix of sand and black basalt from the quarry/Volcano beside the smelter.

The red stuff here is not really a good soil to grow non natives in because it has almost no organic matter and next to no nitrogen.

As for famous floating rocks well how about this.. if you pull 10 thousand rocks out of the ground, your topsoil drops ten thousand rocks lower. Which puts you ten thousand rocks closer to the next ten thousand rocks :), probably better to give up before you start that job
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Rev says...
"They are lovely picked small, around 2 inches, steamed and coated in garlic butter. No need to peel at this size. Good texture and delicate flavour."

thats the best
never appreciated them till i had them steamed , and seasned with salt, butter and pepper
subtle, delicious

the tendrils and shoots are crunchy and tasty raw

if you think you have a special choko
please get in contact with me
id like to grow, hybridize, give away or onsell your fruits if i can
ill pay postage and an agreed amount for fruits
nobody else does..

ive seen these babies in bali, uphigh, near the mother temple at beaskih, the most sacred spot on the island, alongside durians.
I study alongside students from papua, bangladesh, bhutan and other places, funded by AUSAID and their own govts. to bring home real solutions.
The papuans and bangladeshis dont know what a mangosteen is. imagine whats a good industry might mean for local jobs? then imagine all the other things - like choko, at the homegarden level


lets be friends, and get these babies out there - the main issue
all vegetative crops are prone to easy loss
i have a renewed interest in choko
to collect
to grow
to cook

www.tropicalfoodforest.com
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snottiegobble says...
I managed to buy a couple from Bunbury farmers market, but they were the light green ones ( no spikes). They do not have any shoots so wondered if they will still be OK for planting?
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Jantina says...
Hi snottiegobble, I just keep mine in a warmish place (my kitchen) on the bench or in a basket until they sprout and plant out when frosts have finished. Plant them on their sides with the tips of the shoots out and keep the ground damp. Good luck.
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snottiegobble says...
Thanks Jantina, i have prepared the ground & will just have to wait even alhough we dont get frosts.
BTW,Hoping for that delivery on Monday. Will let you know.
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Lorna says...
Hey Rev,
The chokos need to be out there more than they are. Education into preparation, so that they are appealing to eat. Most things are horrible if not cooked or prepared right, and chokos is just another example. Would love to share mine with people for them to multiply, and pass on to others. The www.tropicalfoodforest.com thing is not working for me?
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amanda says...
Hi all, my choko has now sprouted but I am wondering - where do the roots grow from? Is it that spikey part just under the shoot?
Is that the part that needs to poke out a bit?

Also - can they handle the heat ok? I really want to use them to grow over the chook pen to help keep them cooler this summer.... thanks for any help!
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Jason says...
Amanda I got one from Jantina, the roots grow out from under the stem, I just planted it half in the dirt and they came out and found the dirt. Since I planted it in the ground it hasn't done much of anything as far as upwards growing goes so I guess it's not quite warm enough yet
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amanda says...
Thanks Jason, finally got the photo in...it's pretty warm here! I think I am getting too old for this kind of weather!? :-(
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snottiegobble says...
Mine has a bunch of small stems & leaves about 7cms out of the fruit & I found lots of white rootlets just under the soil surrounding the chocko so I think yours will also be busy building a root system before heading skywards, Jason.
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Jason says...
Makes sense, a fruit/seed/fruit thing that size surely stores an enormous amount of energy so it must be doing something :) but I can't see what.

Even an Avocado seed can send a Avocado 2 foot easy without any non seed stored nutrients being involved
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Brendan says...
My two-bobs worth on chokos, they don't like too much water or fertilizer. They thrive on neglect :-) I've seen them grow to the top of a 20m high paperbark tree, on a creek bank (loam).

Yes, to plant them, half bury the thick end in the soil, and leave the narrow end out of the ground.
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Thanks Brendan!
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cactus says...
if ya put the thick end in the ground wouldn't u b burying the vine look at the picture above its the shoots/leaves coming out of the thick end "doh" as homer would say. other way round genius
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Wayne says...
"doh" -- the roots come out the same end as the shoot, the fruit feeds both until it shrinks away and the roots take over
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Jantina says...
Lol, you'd better do your research before being sarcastic to any of the very helpful and generous posters here cactus, or you will set right very smartly!
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
In this pic you can see the roots as well as the young shoot emerging at the same end of the choko
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Wayne says...
I've never had any success growing them Phil, I see other gardens with them growing all over their fences and fruiting like crazy but this little black duck can't do it. I have been told you need two to make the fruit set, true or false I don't know
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Mike says...
Wayne I have bought white and green ones from the markets to grow and I have had no luck also.Pumpkins and edible luhfers go beserk but chokos seem like sooks.A friend tells me that have good tubers.I have a few tubers and I presume they would be like jicamas.
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Brendan says...
Mike, chokos don't have tubers!, they grow on a vine :-)
If you want to grow them, follow my advice above, you'll be sick of eating chokos.
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Mike says...
I saw choko tubers for sale at rusties market.I'll sort out those liars when I see them next.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Chokos indeed do have a large underground tuber which is why they grow so vigourously when the weather starts to warm up. In fact in Central America it is cultivated more for its tubers which are much sought after and reputedly the best tasting part of the vine. Some people dig up one side of vine every year and the other side the following year. You'd be surprised at how big the tubers grow. Apparently very nutty tasting when baked. I also like the internal seed just eaten raw.
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Wayne says...
I never knew that Phil, I would be most interested to actually see one on the vine. I know several gardeners who grow chocos so I must remember to see if they could give me some. Perhaps I should try planting those instead of the fruit.
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Mike says...
I think shoots and tubers are more valued than fruits in parts of Asia also.I didn't really think those market folk were tricksters.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Yes most people are reluctant to dig up a productive tuber but you can harvest it like a potato or a yam, pruning it heavily and allowing some of the tuber to remain and regenerate for the next season. Surprisingly not many Aussies seem to know about this hidden treasure.
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Brendan says...
Hi Phil & Mike,
That 'tuber' is just the choko root, and the variety we grow here, doesn't really have a swollen root like in the photo. There are many vareities.

Best way to grow chokoes is on a trellis, fence or pergola, the fruit that grows on the vine is what's eaten. On a pergola etc., the fruit hang down and are very easy to pick :-)

In a former life, I was a cook (not chef), in the army, we were taught to 'make' pears with chokoes! No one picked it up :-)
The recipe went something like this:
Peel chokoes & cut them into quarters and remove the seeds. Add to saucepan with pear juice (or pear nectar), some sugar, lemon juice. Simmer til tender, serve with cream / icecream etc.
(there could be something else too?)
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Mike says...
I recall eating 'mock pears' when I was young but didn't enjoy chokos as a vegetable.I don't mind the vine growing tips.Do the root vegetable chokos have good quality fruit?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
As you can imagine in cooler climates the choko dies down and resprouts vigourously in the warmer weather. Thus the underground store of starch to make this possible. Perhaps in the tropics this doesn't occur as markedly as the vine is in growth all year round.
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Wayne says...
You could well be right there Phil, they do grow all year round up here and I didn't know that they died away in cooler climates
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Mike says...
The tubers at the markets could come from the cooler tablelands which had frost again last night.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Yes in more southern climes they are almost an annual, but appear again in spring - although even the tuber doesn't seem to like much cold, I never saw a choko anywhere in Melbourne, probably too short a season for the storage organ to develop
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Brendan says...
Yep, I'd say some chokoes somewhere (or a plant like choko) are grown for their tubers, but I have never known anyone (up here) to grow them for tubers......they are usually only grown for their fruit, which grows on the vine, like passionfruit :-)
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Jantina says...
The storage tuber must grow here Phil 'cause mine comes up every year. I've not been brave enough to dig up the tuber though in case I kill it. Louis Glowinski says he has never been able to persuade a choko grower to dig up their vine either.
All bits are edible, as someone said earlier (Brendan I think)they are tasty sliced and fried in butter and garlic. We use them sliced and fried as above, sliced into stir fries and soups, the tips are great in stir fries and salads and the leaves can be used in green smoothies or as stock feed. A wonderful plant indeed.
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Jason says...
Mine is just dying back now, it got up to about 8 foot tall in the end but didn't flower this year. I'm hoping next year it gets up and growing a bit more strongly.

Melbourne is much warmer than Jantina's place so they should grow there really good considering how well Jantina's grows.

My persimmons still a haven't ripened even though the tree has been without leaves for a couple months :), my white sapotes are at least one month late already too and I never got a single fig to ripen so it's been overall much cooler than normal
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Jantina says...
I'm pleased yours has got itself established Jason, mine has grown to about 3 times the size it was last year. It outboofed the pumpkin vines, smothered both asparagus beds and has headed off across the grass to the gum trees. But , alas too cool to develop any big fruit this year. There's been one moderately sized one, the rest I've been using as babies in stir fries. The tips of the vine have gone a bit yellow but the older leaves show no sign of dying back yet.
Someone gave me a different sort a few weeks back, very very pale green, not quite white. It's shot now so it will go into a pot in the glasshouse over winter and planted out in the spring. It will be interesting to see if there is any difference in flavour.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Hey Jantina I had to reign in the Sicana today as it's taking over my garage roof. Pity it's too cool for fruit to set but looks promising for later in the year. Must be forty feet long by now
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Mike says...
Phil,
I have read about sicana but didn't know they are in Australia.Do they really taste like banana on a vine like cucumber?
I have seen seeds for sale on line.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
They are not on the AQIS permitted list but I did source three seeds last spring from a generous person who shall remain anonymous - haven't had one ripen yet but there are dozens of male and female flowers forming, need warmer weather than I have atm to develop fruit tho so haven't tasted it yet.
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snottiegobble says...
After having a choco struggling thru the heat of summer it put on a spurt in Autumn, climbed onto the roof of the carport, partly covered my panama red PF & we picked our first choco fruit ever yesterday with lots more on the way! It certainly shows how different our climates are & how plants respond.
The fruit was not fully grown, but delicious pealed, sliced with " seed" removed, fried in olive oil with chopped garlic,chopped parsley & finished with a splash of white wine! Yum!!
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Hey taste the seed raw Snottie, it's the nicest part as far as I'm concerned
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Mike will save some seeds of the Sicana for you when they ripen. Just watch it, it has a mind of its own tho.
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Mike says...
I keep a tight reign on very vigorous plants and those with pest potential.It sounds good.I might have some seeds of interest to you in return.Maybe some jicama,giant edible luffah,yacon tubers,super hot chilis,dwarf ambarella,lemon basil,hot basil,asian crisp eggplant,wing beans,kaffir,kang kung or water chestnuts are of interest to you.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
How about all of the above lol. I have yacon out of that list, that's about all. Have a lot of American pawpaws germinating this year but too hot for them up your way. I have New Guinea beans too which I pick when very small, develop into a zucchini-like fruit if left too long and become unappetising
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Mike says...
All of them? Yeah that should be alright as I have seeds of most and a few will have to wait to be ready. I could lay my hands on them if I strolled out to the garden.I have seen those NG beans and it is the same with the luffah, must be picked under 50cm.It is even a bit warm for atemoyas let alone asimina.I have to swindle dorset nagar and buht jolokia seeds out of my brother but I have lots of other chili types.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
OK thanks Mike, not in a hurry as pretty crisp here atm even if we are virtually on the Qld border.
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Mike says...
The weather here has been colder than for years as well.Can you grow papaya? I have some aussie red seeds and a new good quality red as well.They are better than the standard solo.
I can grab those seeds pretty well any time.A few of them might be annuals for you.
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Mike says...
I looked at your trees Phil and its an intersting assortment.I too would eat buried burdekin plums and they seem to be different in every area.I presume your blue quandong is E.angustifolius - they get BIG.If you NQ Davidson was from 800m+ it will go better than the lowland ones.Your paw paw looks like a sicana.I also have a sawo manila.
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snottiegobble says...
This will make ya dribble Mike! I have just been given some "Butch 1" Barbados Scorpion seeds to try. They are by far the hottest chillies ever!
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M Nash says...
That would be "Butch T Trinidad Scorpion" Snotty?
I put some in December last, They are still producing tho slowing down.
They have just gained guiness worlds hottest @ 1.4 million+ Scovil
They dont taste as good as Bhuts or Bih Jolokias IMO
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snottiegobble says...
yeah (Butch T) sorry M N. I am told they are easier to germinate than jolokias?
I am selling Scotch Bonnets & Jalapenos at the front gate ( honesty jar) & its paying for some of my manures!
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M Nash says...
Phil, Did you ever get the white Choko going? Id love a seed
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M Nash says...
Thats interesting, I found the butch T to only germinate 50% My Jolokias were 100%, Quiker to grow and produced heaps of fruit. If I was growing to sell, Id grow the Bih. Its got the "Ghost Pepper" name (And heat) and is a little more usable in cooking.
Still, Give the scorp a try.
The best source of seed is The Hippy Seed Company.
Neil helped develop the B T scorp and it was his chillies that won the gong for the worlds hottest
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Mike says...
The top 5 in the million scoville club are all related and left their habaneros ancestor behind.None are hotter than the others and it comes down to how individual fruit and plants are cultivated.I think the accolades given to Dorset Naga for a 1.598 million scoville fruit are undeserved.
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Nova says...
Hey Mike, can you name those five peppers please. Enquiring minds want to know. Cheers!
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M Nash says...
Well, I met the great man himself.
Thanks so much for the white choko Phil.
However, We forgot to rip out some coffee plants?
Ah well, Next time.
enjoy the super hots.
It was a real pleasure to meet you face to face, You are a real lovely bloke.
Ten feet bloody tall but lovely all the same :)
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Hey thanks Mike, it was a privilege to see your setup as well - talk about location location...
Welcome here at Tyalgum anytime mate.
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Wayne says...
Pretty impressed with that beautifull photo Phil but it looks like it can get wooly underwear, long socks, track suit, beannie, blanket, doona, hot rum, sit in front of the fire cold to me. Anything under 10c is most difficult for me to handle

What are those pink flowers,
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Paulownias, have about four hundred of them... and yes it's pretty crisp here this winter but haven't seen a frost for years.
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John Mc says...
Investment for the future Phil?
I love the timber, unbelievably light and strong. I have a couple of largish trees myself. It's becomming a weed here. I have to stay on top of it.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Yeah luckily it doesn't set seed for some reason, must be a sterile cultivar. Apparently they are worth around $1000 each, so with 400 hundred of them my superannuation may be looking good.
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Jason says...
Plenty of it used in the table tennis blades that have carbon layers. It's the most common core wood in those :). Oddly it's never used on blades that have no carbon but balsa is sometimes. Must be something to do with how it feels or flexes
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Dave says...
I have a Paulownia specimen, lovely purple flowered type. Quite an old tree but branches tend to snap easily, especially when the kids are swinging on the low branches. Its a no go climbing tree now!
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Yes they are almost wisteria like in color and have a pleasant aroma to boot.
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snottiegobble says...
Phil I had one that set seed every year in Vic. & they were very good at germination. The bees used to cover the blooms in spring so I am wondering if that may be your fertilisation problem?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Yes ours are also highly attractive to bees as well - they even swarm over the fallen blooms which cover the ground. I'm thinking they may be sterile deliberately to reduce the chance of the Paulownias becoming another invasive species.
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Sara says...
has anyone ever tried to bottle plain chokos for making pickles later in the year? I have a great recipe for them and have made them from frozen peeled & diced ones, but I've run out of jam jars for the moment and have excess vacola jars so thought I'd preserve some for later. Has anyone tried this yet? I thought I'd try a light brine?
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Julie says...
Be careful Sara - only acid fruit (which includes tomatoes) should be bottled. Vegetables can be dangerous to eat, because of possible botulism.

Not sure a light brine would be salty enough, but I don't really know. You have to be absolutely sure of what you are doing.
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amanda says...
I agree Julie...many veg need to be pickled in a vinegar solution - not brine. There is a heap of information on pickling and/or brining on the Net Sara.
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Jantina says...
I agree with Julie and Amanda Sara, much safer to freeze them for pickling later, or try the op shops for jars or even make your pickles and then process them in your Fowlers jars.
If you felt so inclined I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to see your recipe. In fact maybe we could ask everyone for their choko recipes.
Personally I tried the suggestion of another forum member (maybe Rev) and picked them young and sauteed them sliced in butter and garlic, YUM.
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Sara says...
Peeling chokos! I love them and especially in Mustard Pickles! But I hate peeling them , at least until this year! I have an apple peeler with a handle you wind. I dropped the corer down and set it on think peel and whizzed through 10 kg in about 15 mins, then cut off the tops , cut in half from bottom cored and trimmed off the remaining peel. Put through vege dicer and 10kg of peeled, cored & diced choko, ready for pickles!
and my choko pickles recipe is great! nice and think too! the trick is to cook the veges till they are tender but not mushy... I will type out and post it...
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Sara says...
and as to bottling the chokos, I will freeze the majority and try one bottle of vacola with added acid, always willing to try something new! if it works will know for next year! check back then!
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waltershort says...
Is it possible to buy a white choko
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Chris says...
Is it possible to eat them?!
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Fay says...
Hi Waltershort, I've got white chokos if you'd like some. I won't put my email up though.
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Mike says...
Fay... if you have a couple more I would love to get some.... My e/mail is mike.rule@firstfolio.com.au Thanks
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Fay says...
Okey dokey; I'll message you soon.
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Fay says...
Hi Mike, I hope they arrived ok????
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Fay.... Arrived safe & sound thanks very much.... Regards...Mike
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Fay says...
Stop stuff Mike. I hope they grow well for you.
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N Martin says...
One of my Italian neighbours has been growing Chokos here for at least 20 years. Prunes his vine down to almost ground level about September and by December is all over his wall and up about 8 feet high. Is usually loaded with fruit.

Last year early November, he planted a Choko for me in my garden. It grew very quickly but was too late to have any usable fruit.

Today it is all over the garage wall and hopefully we should get plenty of fruit this season.
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Kazino says...
Hi just wondering if anyone has any spare chokos or choko plants available to sell in the toowoomba area? I was hoping to grow them indoors over winter to give them a head start for spring? Thanks! Kaz
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Fay says...
Kazino, there's a guy in Highfields who sells chokos for 10 cents each. He's on the road that runs from the school towards Woolies. He's got an honesty box out the front on the left side of the road. Also, the fruit shop in Vanity Street in Toowoomba sells them. I think I have a couple left if you have trouble finding them.
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Kazino says...
Hi Fay, thanks for your help. I know where you are talking about in Highfields - I know they have sold chokos in the past but I drove past today and they only have lemons and kindle. We actually get all our fruit and veg from the fruit and veg shop in Vanity street and they also do not have any chokos at the moment either. I also did a drive by to all the places I once knew of that once grew chokos, but everywhere I went the vines had been removed. Thanks! Kaz











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Kazino says...
Hi Fay if you could spare some chokos I would appreciate buying some off you or if you're interested in swapping for another plant. I have many pepino plants available at the moment if you are interested! My email address is littlerichard40@gmail.com thanks Fay! Kaz
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Fay says...
Hi Kaz, no problems. I'll email you
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Amram says...
Has anyone got any white chokos that they can spare.
Would love to plant one in my garden.
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