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Chuoi Cau Banana plant

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John Mc starts with ...
Is anyone familiar with or growing Chuoi Cau banana? I purchased one the other day from a plant nursery in Sydney. Apparently, from what I could make out, it's a very popular banana in Viet Nam. The skin is paper thin and very aromatic. That's what the nurseryman told me, are they worth the growing space?, it wasn't cheap.
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trikus says...
from a quick google search it could be a type of lady finger , or even a sucrier type .. many cultivars have a different name in several languages , and hard to get agreement that its the same plant ..
the big question is ..... where did they get it from ?
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Jujubeforesale says...
Hi John,

How are you?

Chuoi cau is monkey babana or sucrier. I have one young plant growing in my garden. I Started planting out in Octerber 2010 so it is very small about 50 cm tall. This banana is very small but very sweet and has paper thin skin. I am not sure if it survives the Melbourne winter or not but it is a very tasty babana for sure.
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Michael says...
Hi John,

Did you pay $65 for the banana plant ? As per jujubeforsale says chuoi cau is a monkey banana and is much smaller than lady fingers . It's quite rare that's why it's so expensive. I manage to source one from a friend to grow it and mine is about 1 metre tall .
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trikus says...
here is reply from gabe on banana.org forum ; The closest references I can find are to a few different diploid (AA) cultivars, but they are so diverse and not well known it is likely not something at all common.
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Jason says...
This kind of banana used to be for sale in the local supermarket when I was a kid sometimes. It, or something very similar is very popular in Mexico too
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John Mc says...
Thanks for all that info guys, I couldn't find that much on it at all. I bought it because the nurseryman was so sincere and was so convincing about the fruit.
@ Lucy, Hi, Yes he did mention something about being a monkey banana and super sweet.
@ Trikus, I'll have to find out where he got it from, as nice as the guy is, I don't think the answer will be forthcomming though. He still had a few left when I was there last Wed. The nursery is smack in the middle of a very strong asian community in Sydney. So no doubt he has access to exotic material not normally available to nurseries.
Other banana var in stock come from tissue culture.
@ Michael, I must have got it cheap, $45, about 300mm high, he has more.
Damn, I should've asked him about Gac.
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Michael says...
Hi John,

Next time you visit Cabramatta just browse the many fruit stores and if they have monkey bananas then you can just buy it and try it for yourself .You can't miss it as it's very tiny and very sweet.
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John Mc says...
Yes Michael, the nurseryman Kim from the local nursery said to browze the fruit shops for that very banana. I could'nt find any last Wednesday at all fitting that description. There were plenty of fruit shops down the arcades and plenty of bananas but nothing very small. I wasn't game to ask anyone because no one was speaking english. I tried with one shopkeeper but she couldn't understand me. I think I need to go next time with a guide. Any volunteers?
I wish I lived closer to Cabramatta, I loved every minute I was there. My head is still spinning.
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VLR says...
I have a couple of monkey banana suckers here in Perth that I bought in December. They're over a metre high and were $30 for 2 (initially $20 each but since I only was going to get one he threw in another for $10). I found them through Gumtree and bought them from an Aussie guy who got them from a Vietnamese guy. He had a huge collection of fruit trees/plants on his block and let me try some of the fruit before I bought them. He said they're very cold tolerant and they tasted awesome. They have that intense but not overly sweet flavour that reminds me of holidays in Asia. And they don't go all "powdery" or dry like Cavendish fruit. Definitely worth it!
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Joanna Ha says...
Hi Michael,
Chuoi Cau is a popular banana type in Vietnam. A bunch is about 400 - 1000g. And the banana size ia bout a thumb or slightly bigger. You are right about its paper skin and sweetness. And the banana inside has a dark yellow color. Only I doubt if the taste is instense like what they are when growing in tropical climat. But good luck with you Chuoi Cau, which is also my favorite fruit/
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trikus says...
A 1kg bunch !! don't you mean just a hand ?
I have never seen such a small bunch .
I have seen the similar Pisang Kering with small fruit but a massive bunch , approx 40 kg
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Laisla says...
Hi John,

Which nursery is it in Sydney? I would be interested in checking them out...
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John Mc says...
Hi Laisla,
Canley Vale Nursery on Canley Vale Road.
He only had a few back in March, It looked like he dug them out himself and potted them up in a heavy muck, but they were doing alright when I bought mine. Good luck, I hope he still has one for you. They are the nicest people to deal with.
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Mike says...
If they are monkey bananas there is a plantation at mission beach and apparently they need more care than other bananas.
John any interest in differnt gingers? I have some very good varieties of tumeric,galangal,krachai (Boesenbergia rotunda),Zinziber zurumbet,potato ginger and another pungent asian one.This is the time of year I should spread some of them and taro out.
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NSW Bananas says...
John how is your monkey banana going would you be intrested in selling succers from it?
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John Mc says...
No probs, I'll start giving them away when they get established. I only have the one plant with two small suckers comming up around the base. Apparently this cv is very susceptible to disease after pups are removed.
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Speedy says...
Hey Mike,
re. gingers... what is 'potato ginger?'
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Mike says...
I'm back after another beer and coral trout.Speedy it is West Indian Arrowroot.the big pungent one is a Curcuma relaed to tumeric.
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Speedy says...
Ok. Thanks Mike.
Coral Trout...drool!
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trikus says...
Usually commercial growers will dig up the whole stool in late spring for replanting .
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John Mc says...
Is that for the WI Arrowroot or the Chuoi Cau?

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trikus says...
that was the Monkey Finger banana I was refering to .. and not every year .. they are fairly vigourous growers and most commercial growers replant every few years .
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MaryT says...
Not sure if this is what you are talking about but I just bought a hand for A$1.50 in Hong Kong. Yes, sweet with paper thin skin.
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John Mc says...
So they vary from the usual banana growing practices? I wonder if that would work if I practiced it here? I have a small backhoe (cranvel)for just the job.
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trikus says...
cOMMON PRACTISE many growers alternate between sugar and bananaas ..
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Yes, that is monkey banana, so Cheap MaryT and very fresh too. In Australia you can buy those in Asian shops for about $6 to $10 per kg
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John Mc says...
Hmmmm, not a lot of difference between your's Mary and the ones I call lady fingers that I grow here. Mine are also too sweet for some, very intense sweet flavour and the skin is paper thin. These lady finger bananas fruit at 5 metres high.
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Brendan says...
I call those thin skinned ones (in your photo) 'Sugar Bananas' John Mc.
Lady Finger bananas have a longer tapered end, (IMHO), see pic.
We'll see what Mike or trikus reckon?
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Mike says...
Trikus would be better on this but here's my take on it.As we have done away with many of the real names it is confusing.Lady fingers seem to be all the small stocky pisang style bananas with sugars,ducasse,africans and many more local names being used.Cavendish are the williams and dwarf chinese and most of the rest have their real names.Monkey banana is also a local name I believe.My thai bananas are sweet, thin skinned and pasty so get called sugar bananas. The angular thick skinned ones often get called african sugars.
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Rev says...
Mike what is potato ginger? Do you mean kencur? Kaempfaeria galanga?
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Rev says...
Oops found your reply :) thanks!
With all these interesting banana genetics now in country you'd think a backyard tissue culture lab would clean up!
The guys over on the ornamental banana forums sure know their stuff
Producing hundreds of plants using very low key kitchen tek
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Mike says...
If you look at the variety lists for Florida,Indonesia,Thailand or Brazil you see how few varieties we really have.OIur obsession with cavendish types means there is even less variety.
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trikus says...
so many names for so few bananas !
Chuoi Cau = Pisang Mas = Sucrier = Monkey Finger = Kluai Khai

very different to Lady Finger here in Australia though the name is used for above overseas .. Ladyfingers are not allowed in my area so I have no experince with them , but have heard that there are many old types and they are excellent backyard fruits down south .
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jo says...
Hi John Mc,
What is the name/contact number of the nursery from which you bought the Chuoi Cau banana plant? I have been looking high and low for this breed and would like to buy one for my garden.
Thanks in advance for your response.
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John Mc says...
I'm still building my stock up otherwise I would send you one. I originally bought it from Canley Vale Nursery on Canley Vale Road.
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jo says...
Hi John Mc,
Thanks for the quick response and the infor. I went to that nursery last year in Nov and they said they have no more stock. I will try again to see if I am in luck. I always buy this type of bananas when I go asia as they are so tasty.
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Thao says...
Hi John Mc,

Do you have any sucker of Chuoi Cau/Monkey banana plant for sale?

Thank you,
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Salsta says...
I'd like to know where you got it from please. I'm looking to get one of these plants as I loved the bananas when I was in Thailand.
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LoveFruits says...
Hi Thao,
You can have the chuoi cau sucker for free if you can pickup from Fairfield.
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Salsta says...
Oh wow!

LoveFruits, do you have more than one to spare? I've also been searching for one and if you do, Thao can pick it up for me.
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He dry says...
Hi LoveFruit do you have any more suckers to give away or for sale. I live nearby love to grow chuoi cau banana.
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hk27 says...
Hi, I have some chuoi cau (suckers)for sale ,let me know if you want (Fairfield )area
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He dry says...
Hi hk27 how much are you selling chuoi cau suckers for? I'm interested
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hk27 says...
Hi Hy dry 30$ for two only two left
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He dry says...
hi hk27 how can i contact you?
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trikus says...
Great deal if they are potted and growing ... but if just fresh removed it's the worst possible time to remove suckers .. as no growth now its cold ... so unless you have a heating source ...
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Hy dry.yes 2 in the same pot it growing about 200mm to300mm you can contact me at huankiyen@yahoo.com.au .I may drop to you at weekend don't be to late or you will miss out
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He dry says...
Hi hk27, please check your email. Hear from you soon.
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Salsta says...
Hi JLR

Can you please let me know where you were able to buy Chuoi Cau suckers in Perth?

I'm in Victoria but know plenty of people in Perth who'd love to get some.

Also, LoveFruit, I got your sucker from Thao. Thank you both for that. Sadly it didn't go well and has now rotted, so I'm now looking for a sucker again. Preferably one with good roots if I can find one.

I have several varieties of cool climate bananas since, so I'm getting good experience growing them that I didn't have before, so I'm hopeful that I'll be able to find another Chuoi Cau sucker to plant late spring or summer.

If anyone is, or could be, able to help me with that please let me know. The Chuoi Cau is the banana I'm keenest to grow.
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MaryT says...
Salsta I asked at Canley Vale today and they said they will have more in spring, though it sounds like stock will be limited. By the way do not click onto anything on the Canley Vale Nursery website because it has been hi jacked by the design company; the matter is in the hands of Department of Fair Trading. Beware if you decide to deal with this company. If you click on anything on the Canley Vale Nursery website it will go to this design company.
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Salsta says...
Thank you MaryT!

I'm in Victoria, so I'll have to see if they mail out.

BTW, I just called and they said to call in December to see if they have them then. They weren't sure of getting them as yet.
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Siri says...
i would like to have monkey banana plant, is any know i could buy them from? please help to advise me, thanks regards Siri
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JohnMc1 says...
Canley Vale Nursery would be your best bet Siri. I'm rebuilding stocks, keep giving away more than I should,
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Hi JohnMc .
How is your Monkey Banana , any fruit ? what about the taste like ? What I hear (Monkey Banana) they have 2 variety for the taste is the same but the skin totally different
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JohnMc1 says...
I've treated this variety like any other and failed. I now have one in a large grow-bag giving it plenty of care and nutes, I'd love to see this variety in fruit before I drop off the planet.
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Salsta says...
VLR and JohnMc1, when yours start putting out pups, if you're happy to share, can you please let me know if you're happy to share.

I'm perfectly happy to pay postage or swap for something you'd like that I have and there are no restrictions on sending them to Victoria at all.
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Thithi says...
I may be able to get you a monkey pups ( I recently was offered one and declined) what's your email address
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Salsta says...
Thanks, Thithi!

It's edwards.sally@gmail.com. Cheers!
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Thithi says...
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hk27 says...
Hi Thithi .
your chuoi cau have fruit yet ? are you sure this is chuoi cau ,because when look at the picture it doesn't looklike chuoi cau ( chuoi cau have a little pink colour on the trunk )like the picture from John mc. Maybe I'm wrong
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10th March 2015 9:03pm
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Thithi says...
Really. They are not mine. I was told that they were chuoi cau. The plants were probably 2 or 3 years old and not fruited yet since they were chopped down by accident last year. I thought that John mc banana plants look a bit sick but I am not an expert on bananas.
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10th March 2015 9:44pm
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Thithi says...
Hi salsta,
I better not give the banana because of the uncertainty in its var. Hope John mc or someone else would give you 1 chuoi cau.
Happy gardening
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10th March 2015 9:50pm
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JohnMc1 says...
Thithi, yours could be Ornata or Veluntina.
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11th March 2015 9:03am
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Salsta says...
Jujubeforesale, can you let us know how your chuoi cau is going?

Has it dealt with the winters in Victoria so far?

I'm figuring that the more time before I get one, the more experience I'll have with banana plants in general, so I should be better at keeping it growing when I finally get one.
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11th March 2015 9:51am
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Salsta says...
Thanks, Thithi!

I've gone form having none at this time last year to having quite a few, with a few more coming in September, so I'd rather wait till I can get one that's clearly the right sort.

I appreciate the thought very much. Someone in Victoria will get one growing soon enough and then we can share the pups around.

Cheers!
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11th March 2015 2:15pm
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JohnMc1 says...
Salsta, you seem quite passionate about your bananas, I'll see what I can do, I'll send you an email when I can find a suitable one to send you.
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Salsta says...
Thanks JohnMc!!

I love their form as a plant, their flowers, the fact that their flowers attract birds and bats and of course their fruit. They take up very little garden footprint for what they give back too.

The ones I have in now are also softening the edges of the garden beds and I like that very much. I've popped a couple of photo's on here so you can see what I mean.

Once they all mature I expect they'll fruit at different times, so it'll be a bit like a lucky dip. I do expect they'll fruit too, as they've grown steadily, barring the cold weather between May and September. They weren't even damaged by two freezes last year. It's rare to even get a frost here, so I was glad to see how robust they were right up front.
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JohnMc1 says...
If that's a north facing brick wall you are half way there, no frost AND a masonary wall radiating heat, a winning combination for your banana plants. Another cold hardy banana is a Blue Java (Ice Cream), probably would be a better option over a chuoi cau, and I might be able to russle one up quickly if you preferred.
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Salsta says...
It is a north facing brick wall indeed. There's room for one more banana near it and if/when I find the elusive chuoi cau, it'll get first dibs at it.

I do have a Blue Java already. They sounded delicious and cold hardy, so I went straight for one.

In Picture two, the bananas from left to right are: Pisanag Ceylan (quite young and mostly hidden behind the asparagus), Dwarf Red Dacca (got from Bunnings last summer and growing like mad), Goldfinger (got from BSB and also growing wonderfully). Around the curve is the Blue Java.

It had its roots excavated by the blackbirds here on the west side and then got blown over by a severe westerly but with the orange tree there it simply rested against it and kept all the roots it's sunk on the eastern side well in the ground. It's now staked to prevent that happening again and you can just see the stake if you look hard.

It's got piles of compost back over its roots now and a bit of a guard to stop the birds, as they tend to obsess over one spot once they decide to attack.

I've taken their obsession with the tropical zone as validation that there are plenty of worms there doing their thing. Lazarus the unknown came up too close to the Goldfinger and when it was being transplanted, I took a picture of the hole and the top of the soil profile is far, far better than the red clay beneath. The clay was moist too, so all the soil building efforts are really paying off.

The Blue Java and Goldfinger were the same size when I got them from BSB but the Blue Java has outgrown the Goldfinger by about a foot so far.

All of them are thriving. It's just wonderful.
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Linton says...
I would like to know if these Bananas can be grown in pots - probably very big pots but not too big so I can still move them around.

Everyone tells me they can't be done.
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15th March 2015 8:15pm
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JohnMc1 says...
Do you mean Chuoi Cau Linton? I'd say yes and probably a 20lit pot would suffice, they are a smaller stemmed banana plant. These two are in a 20lit gro-bag with plenty of room to move.
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Linton says...
According to Blue Sky, who are supposed to be the experts, state that their bananas can't be grown in pots. They say this is because the plants will get too big and become top heavy with all the bunches of fruit.

I was more concerned about the roots having enough room to grow. Can you please ratify this and how extensive the root system is for banana trees.

The ones I have are supposed to be Monkey Bananas (see pictures) so not sure if that means they are Chuoi Cau or not, but they do have pink stems at the bottom. The parent trees are about 5 metres high.
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JohnMc1 says...
The ones I have in pots are in a soiless mix so size isn't really an issue. The 25lit Bonsai bags that Daley's sell just happens to fit inside a family size car tyre that prevents them from falling over in other than a very strong wind.
If your banana plants are Chuoi Cau, they must have been grown in shade because I'm guessing of the missing red colouring like mine are, having been grown in full sun.
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Salsta says...
Do you know how tall the Chuoi Cau grows, John? I'd like to find that out for my garden planning but haven't been able to as yet. As it's the one I'd most like to pamper, I'd really like to find out, so I can plan where to put it ahead of time.
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hk27 says...
Hi Salsta,
this is my Chuoi Cau. The height of it from base to tip was about 4 metres. The bunch (fruit) was about 2 metres from the ground (see picture). I hope this answers your question
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Salsta says...
Thank you very much hk27! It does help, very much.
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Trikus says...
Monkey Fingers I have seen were only a bit over 2m tall [trunk], but in very poor soil.
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Scott 10 says...
Hi JohnMc1, I realize that this is an old post but I've been looking for a Choui Cau sucker for months. Do you still have any that you would consider selling? I'm in Brisbane so would need to be posted if possible.

Cheers!
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4th August 2016 5:43pm
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laislaa says...
I have Choi Chau and they fruit in Sydney - in fact, mine is putting out another bunch! They have elongated foilage and beautiful red-colorer stems.

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JohnMc1 says...
Hi Laislaa, just sent you an email.
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ElaineC says...
Hi everyone, I was excited to come across a lady selling what seems to be a chuoi cau banana sucker. I bought it of course, as it's my favourite banana! I'm in western Sydney, with clay loam soil. I'm planning to prep the ground as follows: deep bell shaped hole, sugarcane mulch and scoria along base, lots of compost, manure and gypsum to backfill? Situated next to fence and in-ground compost bin.

It's my first time growing bananas. Seeing as it seems trickier to grow, can anyone please share some tips on how you cared for your chuoi cau?

Thank you banana experts!
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Wetherill Park NSW
23rd March 2017 2:18pm
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Rocky Garden says...
LoveFruits, can I please have one?
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