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Hi,

Has anyone grown any of these spices successfully in the subtropics?

aniseed
black cumin/ kalonji/ nigella / onionseed
caraway
cumin
fennel seed
fenugreek/ methi
japanese pepper
sesame seeds
sumac
szechuan pepper
star anise (seems not to be available in Australia)
wasabi


As for the others, these spices will grow easily-

allspice
bay leaf
chilli
coriander seeds
curry leaf
dill seed
galangal (and lesser galangal, krachai)
ginger
garlic
horseradish
lemon grass
mustard
pandan
tamarind
turmeric

These will grow but are hard to process-

cinnamon
vanilla (OK inside in humid microclimate)


As far as I know, these won't grow, or are problematic-

nutmeg- an equatorial tree
pepper- an equatorial vine (would it grow inside in a humid microclimate?)
pine nut- dislikes humidity
poppy seeds- no good for the home gardener!
caper berry- dislikes humidity
cardamom- seed pods hard to grow in non-equatorial regions, leaf OK
cloves- an equatorial tree
juniper berries- cool temperate region plant
saffron- dislikes humidity

Is this right?

Thanks,

Diana
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speedy says...
most of the plants on the first list should do ok apart from Wasabi.
It needs cool mountain climate.
can be grown in streams or in soil.
It's grown commercially in Tas. and parts of Sthn. NSW.

Sechuan Pepper and Japanese Pepper are very closely related.
Jap Pepper does ok in Subtropics, I reckon Sechuan pepper would too.

Sumac, I've never seen plants or seed in Australia.
I've been keeping an eye out for it for years now , so if you find it let me know.

Pine nuts, there are quite a few to choose from.
I've seen P.pinea inland Qld.doing ok.
P.sabineana. P.koreana, P.coulteri,
P.torreyana are a few that have edible nuts have edible nuts.

Capers would be worth a go on a rock wall with plenty of air movement and no shade at all.
Mine have been enjoying the higher humidity we've had over the last 2 weeks.
just make sure that around the trunk of the plant is well drained ie. in stone chips or simmilar.

coppice or pollard Cinnamon trees and you'll get nice tender branches with fresh, easy to remove bark.

poppy seeds, no worries, easy.

Cardamom, if you can get the real thing , it will grow ok if you create a good microclimate.
The one sold in nurseries is not cardamom (Elettaria cardamomum) but a species of Apinia.
In NNSW I had problems with the native ginger stem moth grubs chewing through the stems.

Pandan can get sulk a bit in wintr.

Japanese star anise (Illicium floribundum) is available in Aust. but seeds/fruits are poisonous.
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Diana says...
Thanks very much for that fantastic information, Speedy. That's really good advice about cinnamon and capers. What sort of poppies would you grow for edible/ nice tasting poppy seeds?
I will look out for some Japanese or Szechuan pepper seeds/plants.

Thanks,

Diana.
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speedy says...
Info re. capers, humidity is unusual for us here.
I even have to water my capers it's that hot and dry here in summer, so they're enjoying the relatively humid weather.
NNSW, I wouldn't bother trying them (too wet), but Brisbane is a bit drier and they might be ok if you chose a good spot for them.
where they grow naturally (Mediteranean, Middle East, Nth Africa) it can get quite steamy at times, however most rain is in winter months when the capers have stopped growing and have died back in cooler areas.

Poppies...just grow some from supermarket ones or buy on ebay.
Sow in Autumn.
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Brad says...
Apparently nusturtium flower buds can be used like capers. I haven't actually tried it.
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speedy says...
Yeah i've heard that a lot and also that they're a common substitute.
I've never seen them available though.

I tried making them a few yrs ago.
That is buds and fruits at various stages of development.
The results were way short of satisfactory.
To be fair, I'll try it once more and if no good, just put the whole Nasturtium thing to rest as a myth!

So, I'll grow some and get back to you on that one Brad.
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Diana says...
Thanks, Speedy.

I have had a look where you can get these from, in case anyone else is interested too. You are right that sumac is not available (although it is in the US).

aniseed (Eden seeds) (All rare herbs)
allspice (Edible landscapes) (All rare herbs)
bay leaf (any nursery)
black cumin/ kalonji/ nigella / onionseed (4 seasons)
caper berry- (Eden seeds) (All rare herbs)
caraway (greenpatch) (Eden seeds) (4 seasons) (All rare herbs)
cardamom- Elettaria cardamomum (greenpatch) (4 seasons) (All rare herbs)
chilli (green harvest) (greenpatch) (herbalistics) (any nursery)
cinnamon- (Daleys) (All rare herbs)
coriander seeds (green harvest)
curry leaf (greenpatch) (4 seasons) (All rare herbs)
cumin (Eden seeds) (4 seasons)
dill seed (green harvest) (Eden seeds) (All rare herbs)
fennel seed (greenpatch) (Eden seeds) (All rare herbs)
fenugreek/ methi (Eden seeds)
galangal (and lesser galangal, krachai) (green harvest) (greenpatch) (All rare herbs)
garlic (green harvest) (greenpatch)
ginger (supermarket)
horseradish (green harvest) (greenpatch) (All rare herbs) (diggers)
japanese pepper (diggers)
jasmine for tea (All rare herbs)
lemon grass (green harvest) (greenpatch)
liquorice (All rare herbs)
marshmallow (All rare herbs)
mustard (green harvest) (greenpatch)
pandan (forbidden fruits) (All rare herbs)
poppy seeds- (supermarket)(Eden seeds- Flanders poppy)
rooibos (herbalistics)
sesame seeds (herbalistics)
society garlic (green harvest) (greenpatch)
sichuan pepper (diggers)
star anise (Daleys)
tamarind (Daleys)
turmeric (green harvest) (greenpatch)
vanilla (paradise nursery) (herbalistics)
pepper (All rare herbs)


PS I would love to see a picture of your garden, speedy! (or several in my edibles)
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Brad says...
you ever written a book speedy?
very useful list Diana - hopefully future searchers find it :)
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Jonas P. says...
Hello everybody,
I have:
Syzygium aromaticum (clove). You need to give it a volcanic soil. Since I plant them in this soil,I've very less problems. Tee most important think with clove you have to know..DON'T DISTURB THE ROOTS. They hate to stay roots in water. The tree don't grow very quickly.

Myristica fragrans,nutmeg. When the tree is well growing, don't move it. It can grow relatively quickly! IT like to have enough food. You have to be carrefull with the direct sun exposition.

Peper (Piper nigrum), easy.It like a litle bit acid soil and sand.

Cardamom (Eletaria cardamomum). I brought with me from India and La Réunion a lot of roots, but no one have grown again.

Vanilla, very easy!

I'm ever looking for a tree of Illicium verum, but it's totaly impossible to find one..if someone has any idea, please contact me on my adress: pajoojo(at)hotmail.com
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John K says...
I have been researching incessantly before planting my herb garden. A lot of things don't look like they will grow too well up north where I live. I found this article that goes into the origin of some herbs and spices:

http://cooltoknow.net/Food_and_Drink/view_topic.php?id=2&topic=The_Terroir_of_Spices

Any suggestions for growing techniques in colder weather?
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Emarketts says...
We are exporter of spices from Madagascar : vanilla, black pepper, cloves, cinnamon, turmeric, ginger, sesame, red pepper, voatsiperifery pepper,...
please feel free to contact us for any further information.
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snottiegobble says...
Isabel Shippard also sells most of those mentioned & her farm is sometimes open to the public. She is on the Gold Coast.
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trikus says...
Clove tree that was in flower on a nearby farm a year ago has not given many seeds .
Still not planted mine out yet .
Pepper cuttings , many struck and will make a small post and rail fence section to grow it on , after seeing pics of local Silkwood plantation. Bought a small bag of fresh green peppercorns at recent Feast of the Senses and really enjoyed using it in a few dishes ... adds a zing when added to a thai green curry .
Cinnamon is in flower now and has grown well , several large trees locally.
Still on the lookout for Cardamom .
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Brendan says...
Hi trikus,
Wouldn't have any 'spare' pepper cuttings? Would love to try some :-)
Wayne would like one too (I think).
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trikus says...
Brendan & wayne , should be able to get fresh cuttings , do not know how well they would root this time of the year .. have mates with big high vines ..
Are either of you in the Rare Fruit Aus. and going down to Bundy next week ?
Seems a whole bus-load from Mackay are going .. Just had meeting here last weekend , was great to get David Chandlee attending for some advise on Artocarpus and other Borneo rarities.
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Linton says...
Wasabi.

Got these Wasabi stems last week. I understand that you just stick them in the pot and they will grow. Best with self watering pot as they like lots of water, or a solid bottom with pebbles in the bottom to hold the water reservoir.

Any further advice will be greatly appreciated as I haven't grown it before. I also know that they don't like hot sun and must be kept in the shade. They would probably do better in the Dandenongs or Kinglake areas than down here near the beach!
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Markmelb says...
Hi Linton - where did yu source them - from GW?
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BenW says...
I dunno about that Linton. I killed mine in Kinglake just fine :)

Ummed and ahhed to much looking for the perfect spot and the pot dried out. Also, snails / slugs really seem to go for them.
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Linton says...
Wasabi.

Hi Mark, what means GW?

That's right Ben, you should never let Wasabi plants dry out or they will die. So it's best to use a self watering pot.

I also read you can use a pot with a solid bottom and put pebbles in the bottom. Holes can be drilled in the side of the pot about one third of the way up to allow excess water to drain out.
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Markmelb says...
GW - The nursery in Springvale rd - thought that was an easy one - or hve you mail ordered your wasabis from Tassie?
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Linton says...
Hi Mark..........Yes, I thought you meant Gardenworld. I just couldn’t imagine them selling fresh wasabi stems!

I got the ones in the pictures from the Farmgate Market in Hobart last week. They usually sell wasabi plants there too but they were sold out in the first hour. According to the Japanese seller, 1 wasabi stem sells for more than $100 in Japan. I think I’ve seen them advertised on the internet in America for $150 for 1 stem.

I planted the stems in pots a few days ago and they are sprouting new shoots already so it seems like they are really fast. If you’re interested in trying to grow wasabi, Four Seasons Herbs should have plants available at the moment. Expensive though. Cheers!

https://www.fourseasonsherbs.com.au/product/all-products/wasabi/
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Markmelb says...
Gardenworld had some saffron a couple months ago which would be a novelty to grow but wasabi are a bit too pricey just for fun growing - normal horseradish is just as enjoyable in flavour and alot easier it seems and cheap.Did you pay that much for the bits you got Linton?
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Linton says...
Wasabi stems are sold by weight where they are being supplied for culinary use.

In Tassie they were around 30 cents per gram and the smaller stems that I chose weighed about 40 - 50 grams.
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Linton says...
Attention Mark - Wasabi is nothing like Horseradish!

Sorry to disagree, but what I have heard from the most serious connoisseurs, is that Horseradish is no substitute for freshly grated Wasabi. The green stuff you can buy in the tube in the supermarket labelled as "Wasabi" is supposedly just Horseradish that has been dyed green and doesn't taste that good either.

Not many people have actually tasted fresh Wasabi as it only holds it flavour for a short time after grating and cannot be stored. I recently tried some with Tasmanian salmon and have to concur with the experts that it was like nothing else and absolutely delicious. Cheers!

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Markmelb says...
Id give it a go then - a bit like Fresh truffles Vs preserved truffles and I would not eat preserved now ive tasted the real thing now - anywhere you know in melb selling stems?
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gimme says...
I was excited to see that a cinnamon tree I only planted last year from daleys is going to flower.
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trikuslaptop1 says...
Mine is covered in flowers , it smells very 'funky' .. in the background behind the Salacca wallichiana .
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MaryT1 says...
Same, gimme and trikuslaptop1 :) My cinnamon also flowered in the first year but I love the new leaves most of all; they look like orchids.
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gimme says...
I love the new growth too mary. Trikus, do you get much seed form in the tropics? My freind has a large tree, 25 years old and only got about 5 seed form this year. This is one of the seeds I grew in the photo
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trikuslaptop1 says...
Looks like lots of seeds setting .
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Linton says...
Wasabi flowering now!

The Wasabi plants all have white flowers on them so it will be interesting to see if they produce seeds.
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Brain says...
looks very good Linton, what kind of potting mix did you use? And do you water it everyday? I'm keen to find out your secrets as my one died some years back and have been pondering since.
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Gabby Salts says...
Wasabi in victoria is available from diggers, but only to club members, so if aren't already a member try mail order.
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Gabby Salts says...
Oh and on the topic of poppy seeds, my spice notes book says that flanders poppy can be used, but commercially only papaver somniferum is used, yes the opium poppy. You often see them on ebay as "peony poppy" as it is apparently illegal to grow them.

They are very pretty in cottage gardens, come any many colours white, pink, red, purple and ones with combinations of those colours. Some with single flowers and some double, and some with frilly petals.

I don't think they would grow in qld, I think they need cold winters, see http://www.reneesgarden.com/seeds/packpg/herbs/poppy-breadseed.htm, "blossoms and pods are largest when plants grow in cool weather". But at under $10 on ebay including postage it might be worth trying.
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Linton says...
Attention Brain - Wasabi!

I did not use any special kind of potting mix. Just used some old mix that was left over in some pots which I mixed with my sandy garden soil.

There are 2 things that will kill wasabi plants - heat and dry. I keep them in the full shade and the soil moist but at this time of the year only need to water them about once every 1 - 2 weeks. Obviously it will be more often in Summer.

For growing Wasabi in warmer climates and also in Melbourne over Summer you will need to make a cool microclimate for them to survive.

Later........
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Linton says...
Wasabi in Coolgardie Safe!

If I hang it on a tree the snails can't get it.
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Brain says...
thanks for the tips. I had mine in a semi shade but the high 30s some summers ago put an end to my own wasabi dreams. However, I'm inspired to give them another go.
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TMary says...
Saw some Allspice at Limberlost nursery in Cairns yesterday and lost my head. Now I am wondering how I can get it back to Sydney on the plane today :).
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sternus1 says...
Allspice delivered anywhere in Aus here. Two left.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pimento-dioica-All-Spice-Plant-Grow-your-own-Herbs-Spices-/181522952861?pt=AU_Plants_Seeds_Bulbs&hash=item2a439c729d
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TMary says...
Wow that is so expensive; mine only cost $12
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sternus1 says...
True, but you also don't have to do anything but wait.
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TMary says...
True; one must pay for services. :)
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sternus1 says...
I bought one, growing it for my GF mainly, as I am spectacularly useless in the kitchen.

I don't mind paying premiums if they're justified, but I'm grated by flagrant opportunism.

I do sell this things at heavy premiums, but considering what I have to do to get them and cultivate them, the prices make sense. That, and you can't get what I've got anywhere else. Haggling generally gets people blacklisted--pay, don't pay, but either do one or the other or don't waste my time.
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JohnMc1 says...
Wow, frightfully expensive, I'm not a cook either, what do they do with it? How is it used? Almost $50 delivered, is it worth that much? Are they that rare? Dioecious? tell me more.
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sternus1 says...
It's used in Indian, Jamaican, and African cooking, but it can be used to flavor sweet things too. The berries, which are dried (they look like larger peppercorns) are the actual spice used either ground up or whole. Leaves can be used like betel to flavor meat (Jamaican jerked meats rely on allspice). Tastes like cinnamon and cloves to me.

Not easy to get a hold of, but not impossible.Bought one because I dong know when one will turn up again.
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JohnMc1 says...
OK, talked me into it, bought the last one.
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sternus1 says...
Handy things, a lot of utility.
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JohnMc1 says...
Cath's blog from Daley's says it's dioecious. we might have to swap a cutting or two when we find out whether we have M or F.
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Brain says...
on the topic of spices, anyone knows where to get a Zanthoxylum simulans (szechuan pepper) plant?

Diggers has them listed but I believe they have the japanese pepper instead.

Or alternatively, how to germinate the seeds?
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MaryT1 says...
Brain I was talking to the Saigon pho man Joseph at Rusty's last Friday about the Szechuan pepper; he has the Chinese one but wants the Japanese one! I had one (from Diggers) but it died. It is a lovely plant with fragrant leaves that you can use. Joseph said the Chinese one has thorns and the leaves are not useful.
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JohnMc1 says...
My good friend Jujube Lucy gave me a couple of interesting pepper plants recently. The black pepper vine is not a climber, it looks the same but throws off a fruit and growth bud at each node. The szechuan pepper looks like a thorny rose bush, just starting to push out now.
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Linton says...
Attention Brain! Wasabi. Try Zeer Pots!

Wasabi must be kept cool in summer like in an outdoor fridge. It is easy to build a Coolgardie Safe with wire mesh and a solid top and bottom. You need to put a bowl of water on top and drape some hessian into it so that it soaks up the water. The evaporation causes cooling of the inside chamber where you can put the wasabi to grow.

The other thing you can try are Zeer pots, which are simply a smaller porous pot inside a larger one, with damp sand in between. You can try to grow the Wasabi inside it and put a cloth over the top as it works on the same principle of cooling by evaporation. I read that the inside temperature can be 10 degrees lower!

There are many videos on Youtube showing how to make Zeer Pots. The main thing for growing Wasabi is to make a cool microclimate. Cheers!
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You know what's interesting? That my for sale posts keep getting deleted, yet it's perfectly acceptable for me to link an ebay listing which doesn't get deleted.So my posts get deleted under the supposed infringement of advertising, but somehow an ebay listing isn't advertising. Is there something I'm missing here, or is it just the case that the only people who can sell here are people who aren't me? Daleys doesn't even sell what I'm selling.Stopping me from selling these plants makes about as much sense as banning the sale of icing pipers on a hobbyist mechanics forum. It isn't my fault that they're too cheap, indeed too slovenly, to source high quality CV's and pay to have them certified for cultivation. That would be too hard. Instead, they'll just sell everybody crap at premium prices. At least what I have is good. Yeah, no thanks.I'll be cancelling my preorders with Daleys. No more money from me.
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vlct says...
Get a job sternus !
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sternus1 says...
Nice--so basically I send you something for free, go out of my way to do that, you lie about paying the postage,and then you tell me to 'get a job'.

Why don't you get one, and pay me what you owe me?
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Chris says...
Xanax.
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sternus1 says...
Is this a word association game?

Fantasia. The Disney kind with the waltzing brooms.
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vlct says...
You obviously gave me incorrect details..
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Brain says...
thank you thank you for everyone's kind input and help. I think the Zeer pots are a goer. I will now have to hunt down a cheap wasabi plant now.

With the Szechuan pepper, I intend to use the fruit/pepper corn itself. Never mind you can buy a whole packet for like $2 bucks. My ideal vision is to marinate my own steak and chicken with this pepper corn or infuse the favour into hot oils and cook things with it.

I also read that you need a male plant and a female plant for successful pollination for the fruit (which is the pepper corn/spice). Not sure how true this is.

So my quest continues :)
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JohnMc1 says...
My Szechuan pepper appears to be throwing out early buds of some description, I'll keep you posted.
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TMary says...
How exciting John; love to hear/see how it goes.
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Linton says...
Zeer Pots

Here is a 2 minute video, in a nutshell, how to make a Zeer Pot - Simple!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDSGKB_fDBo

Also this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfKgOpJc7Ps


However I would use larger pots for Wasabi, as large as possible to allow the plant to spread out, and make sure they are porous and not sealed so that evaporation can take place. Cheers!

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Brain says...
I was actually pondering on the porous question.

you would want the outer pot porous, to aid evaporation but I was wondering if the inner one should be porous. Because if porous, the evaporation would draw out all the moisture of the wasabi plant. Now being a lazy gardener, I wouldn't want to water the pot twice a day.

And lastly, the inner pot drainage hole should not be sealed? otherwise, you have no air exchange and the plant dies from too much water. (though may not be a problem if the inner pot isn't sealed.)

I was thinking of adding a layer of compact gravel at the base of the inner pot and then a layer of geotextile fabric on top. Sort of like a wicking bed at the base of the inner pot,. So you water the wasabi as normal, excess water drain out on the sand and gets evaporated.
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Thithi says...
I Just ordered a cardamom and wasabi plants. Do they prefer sun or shade? Thanks
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Linton says...
Wasabi and Zeer Pots!

Yes, Wasabi is best grown in deep shade with no sun. Not sure about Cardamon although I am growing Afromomums, a type of African cardamom, in full shade but they do seem to like some sun as well.

About the inner pot of the Zeer Pot, it can be either porous or sealed, as mentioned in this entertaining video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3W8uMMwRas

However, all the information about making Zeer Pots is based on using them for storing foods like fruit and vegetables and I don't think that anyone has ever considered growing cool climate herbs in them.

Since this is a new concept, I'm not sure if the Wasabi should be planted directly in the inner pot, but if so, it would be better sealed and with the hole in the bottom not sealed as you suggest.

I intend to try 1 planted directly in the inner pot and another kept in it's plastic pot and just placed in the chamber to see which works the best.

If the Wasabi plant gets too big inside the pot you can prune it back hard and eat the leaves since they will regrow as fast as you prune them. But the aim is to get the rhizome to develop for harvesting in about 1 - 2 years.
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sternus1 says...
I have one giant fruited afromomum, hasn't set fruit yet. Like lots of water and can't handle unfiltered light.
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Linton says...
Does this also apply to the native green ginger? I'm growing some in a very dark spot and would like to know if I should move it so it gets some sun.

It's Amomum dallachyi and the green coloured fruits clustered around the base of the stem are supposed to taste like passionfruit. Anyone tried it?
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sternus1 says...
The fruit of mine look very different to that. They're about the size of dragonfruit, or larger. This one comes from the Congo.
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Linton says...
Its a different species altogether Sternus. You have Afframomum which is from Africa. It is red skin and white flesh on the inside. I had some of these also.

But the one in the pictures in Amomum dallachyi - a native of North Queensland, commonly referred to as Green Ginger. Cheers!
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sternus1 says...
Why did you get rid of yours Linton? Was the fruit not worth keeping it? Would have been tough to keep alive in Victoria, slow growing here in the subtropics.
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Linton says...
Afframomoms

To answer your question I gave them all away except for 1, to people living in more tropical areas. The one I have left easily survived all winter, it just doesn't grow and remains dormant in the cold weather.

I did not like the fruit when I tried it, horrible, and you have to be careful not to eat the thousands of tiny black seeds which taste like pepper.
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Juie 1 says...
Tithi, I have cardamom growing in a large pot which gets morning sun then filtered sun. It's looking good, but I have no idea if/when I will get anything from it. I'm pretty sure it will take full sun.

ATM it's just an ornamental, but that's OK!
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Diana says...
Hi Julie,

Cardamom does not tend to fruit properly in Brisbane, it needs an equatorial climate for that, but you can use the leaves (e.g. flavour milk to use in a cake by warming with the leaves).
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sternus1 says...
I can vouch for this. I've tried twice to grow cardamom (to fruit) and have failed on both counts. Have since replaced with other species.
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Juie 1 says...
Thanks Diana. I'm in Perth, so even less chance of fruit. Never mind, it's quite an attractive plant.
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Diana says...
No worries Julie. Ours is near the front door and it also smells very nice when people brush past.
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lily ke says...
Hi, Diana
i like to buy a szechuan pepper plant.
do you happen to know where i can get one?
i live in sydney.

thanks so much
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BenW says...
Diggers has schezuan pepper... I have 2 but I'm not sure if they will fruit. The young leaves are nice with spring veg though.
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Thithi says...
Hi Julie, thanks for the answer on cardamom. My cardamom is true cardamom and the label says It likes sun. However it does a lot better in filtered sun.

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Thithi says...
On the subject of pepper, I am curious about what is special about schezuan pepper?
I read about Cambodian pepper on the Time once. According to the article, Cambodia pepper has the best desireable taste!!.. and chefs prefer them over other.
I'm no chef and I don't think I have tried schezuan or Cambodian pepper, even if I did, I don't think I could have tasted the difference. Could you?
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jakfruit etiquette says...
Schezuan pepper is not related to green pepper/black pepper, which is a Piper.
Schez is a Zanthoxylum, in the Citrus family, along with a couple of others, ie Sansho pepper. They taste quite different.
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Brain says...
last I check, diggers sells the japanese pepper, Z. piperitum, which is different to Z. simulans (the Szechwan pepper). Just check the leaves and you should be able to reference it fairly easily.

I think one of the best way to appreciate the Szechwan pepper is to taste it. Try to find a Szechwan hot pot restaurant and order the spicy soup base ... Alternatively, the szechwan pepper spices can be found in most asian groceries shops in the spices section. It has a unique numbing sensation and is quite aromatic.

I goggled the Cambodia pepper (as I have never heard of it before now) and the pictures looks to be a Piper, from looking at the leaves, the vines and the fruit clusters.

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Thithi says...
Hi brain,
Oops... so they are not pepper!!.. Feel a bit silly now... ;-) Should have googled it first ... But who can blame me...the naming is misleading... Sichuan pepper is not pepper, American paw paw is not paw paw...
Btw, brain if you google for 'Cambodia pepper time', you will find something... Not that I want to advertise for Cambodia pepper, when I read about it, just like you I was quite surprised as I never heard of Cambodia pepper b4.
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Julie 1 says...
So if Szechuan pepper is in the citrus family, does that mean it will grow in less tropical climates? Where other citrus will grow?
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BenW says...
Well, I have the diggers one, however I thought several species were pretty similar. Mine certainly numbs your mouth. It is cold tolerant just about anywhere in Australia I would think, since it is deciduous and gets snow at my house. Maybe true schezuan pepper is less tolerant?
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Brain says...
The province of Szechwan is quite mountainous and can be fairly cold. Think of a panda eating bamboo in the snow, some of them are in Szechwan! lol.

Anyway, my readings on the net indicates it is more cold tolerant than citrus. But I can't tell you whether they prefer the lowlands or the highlands.

As for the Kampot pepper, I would believe the same plant grown in different regions would have different taste. think grapes or teas.

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Thithi says...
Is there any tip to prevent caterpillar lay eggs and eating my beautiful wasabi plant? Help please!
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MaryT1 says...
Thithi the caterpillars came out of the eggs, it's the moths that lay the eggs. Do you know what kind of moths they are? The eggs are usually on the underside of the leaves so if you see them just squash them. Just pick off any caterpillars and squash them too.
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Thithi says...
Hi hi.. The caterpillars don't lay eggs .. Biology, biology ...thanks mary. I just pick one tiny caterpillar out from my wasabi plant. I picked a few out yesterday also. Just hope for a more effective way to get rid of them, or shoo the moths away. I wish I know what moths they are, should have take the pictures. I use my old iPad which some how doesn't allow me to add picture, to do that I have to use my phone which is so slow.
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Hi hi.. The caterpillars don't lay eggs .. Biology, biology ...thanks mary. I just pick one tiny caterpillar out from my wasabi plant. I picked a few out yesterday also. Just hope for a more effective way to get rid of them, or shoo the moths away. I wish I know what moths they are, should have take the pictures. I use my old iPad which some how doesn't allow me to add picture, to do that I have to use my phone which is so slow.
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JohnMc1 says...
There is a safe biological spray based on a bacteria but the caterpillars have to hatch and injest the bacteria to be effective. Yates sell it under the name of "Success", it works very well but it has to be reapplied frequently and after rain.
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Thanks John
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SueBee says...
Poppy seeds as on normal bread or cakes is the seed of Nigella (Love in a Mist). They don't use real poppy seeds as food any more.
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jakfruit etiquette says...
Poppy seeds are tiny round, blue or white, Nigella seeds are tiny black,flat like sesame seed. Sesame seed are tan/brown or black.
All 3 have distinct flavours.
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davehaster1 says...
Hello,

I want to know the best way to preserve Garlic Paste???
last time I bought some good spices on this site:
https://rawspicebar.com/collections/buy-spices
I think that site has best spices available.
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SueBee says...
Drying is the safest most long lasting way to keep garlic paste. Make as usual then spread thinly to dry on dehydrator sheets.once dry crumble and keep in airtight jars. Make sure to dry to hard so it can be crumbled easily,soft will not keep as long. Garlic paste is traditionally preserved in olive oil but a bit dangerous if not done properly and used once opened. Dried keeps for years.
Good luck
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