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Hi everyone, i am searching high and low for the Panache fig or tiger fig, that has variegated fruit... Dario Franzinelli at Jetto's Patch gave me leads for West Oz sellers, but need one this side of the country.. im in Geelong Victoria and im the founder of Austrlain organic Gardening . Can anyone help?
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sternus1 says...
Hi Aus,

panache is around, but chances are the people who have it won't give you any budwood/cuttings because of the secret squirrel culture.

I am currently in the business of smashing this cartel of parsimony to pieces--and if I do say so myself, business is booming. I have secured what are considered the world's top ten figs(panache isn't, incidentally--it's just pretty). Most of them aren't much more than cuttings themselves, and it will be a while before I can disperse them. But when I can, I will.

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Carl76 says...
Hi Sternus
Out of curiosity , what are the 10 top world varieties ?

thanks
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Mike Tr says...
sternus good luck with smashing the fig cartel. There seems to be a lot that hiding in the shadows with a treasured variety kinda behaviour in world of fruit trees.
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sternus1 says...
Depends who you ask, Where you're growing each type and how well that type does in that locale, and whether you prefer dark or light figs. The Lousiana university types are regarded as extremely good, as are the negronne types (several different cultivars are pushed under this title).
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Carl76 says...
That's so true. Some people place flavour and sweetness above productivity and disease resistance.
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Boris Spasky says...
There are thousands of unnamed fig varieties, that are excellent and you'll never see them in a catalogue or nursery.
The idea of chasing varieties from the USA (a minor producer) is anathema to me. They know only how to take a fig {insert any other fruit} and breed it into a sugar cube.
Home of figs is the ME/Maghreb and parts of Southern Europe. That's where all the best figs are; they don't have fancy marketing names nor are they bred in a university.
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sternus1 says...
True boris, but credit given where due.I agree with the sugar cube comment--personally I prefer complexity over sweetness in all fruits. I hear a lot of the Greek varieties are spectacular. I have many from Europe, mostly italy and spain.
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peter3000 says...
hi aus99
i have sent many dozens of fig cuttings
interstate from the rfssa and have
been to their orchard many times
for tastings and to help out with
pruning, but unfortunately as i have
posted here previousley the panachee
and blue province they have are
mislabled, didnt find this out till
my trees produced some fruit.
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Salsta says...
I'm new to growing figs and to the idea of growing them in pots and I'm keenly searching for Panache, Spanish Dessert and Black Mission figs. If anyone knows where I can get them in Victoria I'd appreciate it please.

I'd also love to hear about what the lovely European varieties are please Sternus.

I already have Black Genoa, Brown Turkey and St Dominique Violette and when they've grown enough, I'm happy to share cuttings if anyone wants them.
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sternus1 says...
I had black mission, but gave away all the cuttings I had some months ago now. Spanish dessert could be a number of varieties.
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aus99a says...
Secret Squirrel Culture - that's GOLD and so true! There's a couple of squirrels even on this forum ;)

AusOrganic, if you happen to know someone in SA, the Rare Fruit Society sells cuttings I think in July. You need someone to go in person, they will not post. I unfortunately know of no one in SA that may oblige but good luck. I wanted a Panache too but like my pal sternus1 says, it only looks nice. You may find someone to help but The Secret Squirrels have a code that's hard to break and I think they are similar to Scientologists. I have almost given up.
But still have to laugh...
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sternus1 says...
Aus,

I've given away all the black missions I had to give away, I still have one but that's staying with me :D

I usually only keep one of each type of thing I get, sometimes two, and distribute the surplus.

Who knows, I might have more soon....calymyrna gets a lot of good press too....

Jantina if you're reading this I'm striking the LSU gold I have for you up here in QLD--and that goes for you too, Mary. Haven't forgotten.

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peter3000 says...
hi aus99
yea my tree marked as panachee wasnt
verigated and has got dark coloured skin.

i think the rfssa b/mission was mislabled also.

have you had fruit from yours b/mission
any chance of some pictures of the leaves?
i have spanish dessert if anyone wants
but there is talk that it is a smyrna fig.
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sternus1 says...
I really don't understand the fuss over panache. If it wasn't variegated nobody would even talk about it.
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kim14 says...
I was under the impression they're also quite nice tasting? What about Violette de Bordeaux? I have no fig trees as yet, but hope to get some cuttings come winter.
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sternus1 says...
I'm sure they are Ok, but from all reports they aren't anything to write home about, pretty much the same as verte with prettier skin.

VDB gets rave reviews everywhere. It is the same fig as negronne, a very old french cultivar. Supposedly better than RDB.
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MaryT says...
Peter3000 I would be interested in the Spanish Dessert except as you suggested it is a Smyrna; here's what I read online:

"Ficus ‘Spanish Dessert’ is a cultivar of Ficus smyrna, the best variety of fig to grow. However this type of fig only has female flowers, and if you want fruit from it you will also need a Ficus ‘Capri’ Capri fig, whose fruit is generally inedible, but is the only variety to have both male and female flowers, and is essential for the pollination of the Smyrna varieties. Like all figs, the flowers are enclosed within the fruit, inaccessible to all normal pollen vectors like wind, bees and insects. Capri fig is the host of a specialist fig wasp, which spends most of its life cycle within this fig. The female wasps leave the Capri fig through a tiny pore at the base of the fruit. Coated in pollen the wasps search for other developing fruit to lay their eggs, and when a wasp enters the Ficus Smyrna pollination takes place. But as the long styles of the Ficus smyrna are unsuitable for laying wasp eggs it has to return to a Capri fig to do so. If fertilisation does not take place the fruit aborts and drops form (sic) the tree."
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kim14 says...
thanks for the confirmation Sternus. Hope to join the fig craze soon... I'm also offered cuttings of White Adriatic, so maybe this will be the start of a new obsession.

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sternus1 says...
white adriatic is one of the best common figs you can buy.
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kim14 says...
fantastic! hope I can be satisfied with the two and not develop a crazed longing for other varieties. ;)
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sternus1 says...
Abandon all hope of that Kim. They're like crack.
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kim14 says...
Sternus - I despair.

Very entertaining aus. :)
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peter3000 says...

hi maryt
yea ive read all that stuf to but in not so sure how acurate it is because
although most of my s/deserts are next to my mature capri figs i have a couple
others that i have isolated and they
are still producing fruit.
so if you want to try some cuttings
i can send you some.
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aus99a says...
I think you may find that 'Spanish Dessert' behaves the same as 'Desert King'. From what I have read, they both produce fruit but far more or better quality with caprification. To be honest, doesn't sound worth the space unless you can provide it but that's just my opinion. They look delicious on the Willabrand website though.
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peter3000 says...
i have dessert king, it is a sanpedro,
produces an excellent first crop but
the second crop will fall of without
caprification.
i live less than ten min. from the
willabrand orchards and was there
about a month ago but unfoertunately
didnt see their spanish desert.
by the way they only have about 12,000
trees.
can i ask where you sourced your
black mission from?
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aus99a says...
Wow, 12,000 trees..magical. I went to Leppington Fig Farm in western Sydney last month and was impressed but that is nothing compared to Willabrand. Got my Mission from a lady whose husband migrated from the US in the 70's and he brought it over. She was pulling it out for renovations and I grabbed two cuttings..one died and one is growing slowly. I have two plants from people that have gone..it's a good way to remember them. Slow grower but it's only in a small pot for now.
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peter3000 says...
are they the ones you saved from the
bulldozer about the 14-10-13?
i struck some dessert king around the
same week and they are now nearly
1 metre tall with little figs on them,
there wouldnt be to many b/missions
around so would be good to get it into a large pot.

i would be keen to see some pictures of the leaves if your able.
leaves
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aus99a says...
Took me a while to figure what you meant. No, it is not the same one, that was from a vacancy being pulled down. Luckily, I got that one also because they pulled it all out. Still have no idea what it is though as it produced no figs this summer. Most leaves have 7 lobes on that one. Will know something this year hopefully. I like figs but it's frustrating not knowing what they are. My 'Mission' is 100% genuine though. For photos, there are plenty on the net if you search. Trees are quickly going dormant in Sydney now.
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peter3000 says...
frustrating for sure especially when
a lot of figs have many multiple names.
will eagerly await those photos,
hope to see 5 plain lobes.
im still kicking myself everyday for
not getting a cutting that sternus
offered me a while back because i thought i had some but they turned out
not to be.
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vlct says...
I'd love to obtain a black cutting.
whats the fruit like aus ?
how's your B.P going peter ?
mines doing well, almost doubled. setting a lot of fruit.
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aus99a says...
Vic, you mean a black mission cutting? Sure, no problem but not ready yet. Maybe end of next season. Sorry guys, if i knew they were popular, i would have taken more cuttings. I know a lot more now fortunately. Wisdom only comes with experience.

No need for me to take photos Peter, there are plenty available on the net. But I will if I remember and get the chance.
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vlct says...
yeah mate. how's the taste ?
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aus99a says...
No idea. As I have said above, small plant and still no figs. But the owner said they were nice and gave them plenty of fruit.
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vlct says...
cool, can't wait!
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peter3000 says...
yea seen a few pictures on the net
but wanted to compare your leaves.

hi vlct, havnt looked at the bp for a
while but was growing ok last time
i saw it.
was thinking about ordering another one or two from another souce (yulca)
will ring them first to check where
they get them from.
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vlct says...
just too compare.. good idea. hope we have real mccoy..
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MaryT says...
Peter3000 the topic ran away from me; I just picked up your kind offer. I now have six varieties of figs - Black Genoa, White Adriactic, Brown Turkey, Picone, Preston Prolific, Excel. The first four have fruited and I am running out of room so I thank you but must decline, mainly because I don't have the Capri and definitely don't have room for one. :)
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AusOrganicGardening says...
Gday and thanks for all the interesting responces, it seems when you are a fig fancier your a special breed lol.. My attempts to get hold of this fig have been fruitless [ excuse the pun :P] But have found someone from America, just have to see what customs says.
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sternus1 says...
Customs will say no, that's why it's better not to ask them in the first place.

I really don't understand why everybody has such a hard on over panache aka Jolly Tiger, if it wasn't variegated nobody would even talk about it.
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peter3000 says...
hi sternus
yea i wasnt interested in them for a
long time but changed my mind and have been chasing them for quite a while now.
should have some cuttings in winter so
if you change your mind about them
let me know.
aus/o/g if you want to leave your
email ill get in touch when the time
comes.
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MaryT says...
I think a variegated variety would add interest to the collection and may confuse predators :) peter3000 if you have a chance I would love a cutting, thanks. tng mry (one word) at yahoo dot com dot au. Will reimburse/ pay for cost of course. Happy to send anything from my garden as well.
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peter3000 says...
ok mary i have your addy and will
let you know when the time comes.
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MaryT says...
Thanks, Peter!
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naikii says...
Hey guys, what a thread to stumble upon while googling huh.

I am also after panache to add to my collection, and the elusive violette de bordeaux, which I am sure somebody has hidden away somewhere.

Black Madeira is also right up the top there.

I have a number of figs that I can take cuttings of to trade, including;

Black Genoa
White Adriatic
Italian Honey
Blue Province
Pink Jerusalem
Preston's Prolific
Yellow Excell
Brown Turkey
White Nicolina
A black fig from Crete
A couple of mystery cuttings, one I suspect may be Conadria

I have pruned all of these this season, but might be able to take some active cuttings later on, or next winter.
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vlct says...
The Jerusalem sounds nice..
Have you tried its fruit yet ?
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sternus1 says...
naikii I do have some VDB I'm rooting right now, but they won't be anything like free (will be around 100$ per rooted plant).

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peter30001 says...
Hi Sternus,
are you still sending me a col de dame noir or vdb?


naikii,
yea good ol, google, ithought everyone
already knew about this forum.
anyway it is very unlikley you will find an established capri fig anywhere
but i can send you some cuttings from my trees, should even be able to find some self air layered ones. (aaa)
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sternus1 says...
I am indeed Peter, got you covered. Not sure if you saw my message, I have a new email :

noevilstar at hush mail . me
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naikii says...
A capri fig cutting would be great, would cut a few years out of having to germinate one!

Ill keep your VDB in mind Sternus, I actually have great hope that I will have my hands on a couple of cuttings in the near future, if all goes according to plan...
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@vlct out of all my plants the Jerusalem is the only one I didnt get to try a fig from last year.. It took ages to break dormancy and then the cold hit, I have better hope for this year
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sternus1 says...
Good luck Naikii, but make sure you're actually getting the real deal. RDB looks similar and is often mislabelled as VDB.
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peter30001 says...
ok Sternus, can hardly wait.
email noted.
scince you would be the only one in the
whole of australia to have a cddn i
hope that is the one you can send.

Naikii, if you pm me your address ill
send some cuttings.
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Tom says...
Hi was wondering if anyone has experience with a zida fig, have a few cuttings.
Was hoping people may have knowledge of what it is like.
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24th September 2014 8:39am
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peter30001 says...
hi tom
that should be zidi
supposed to be a smyrna fig.
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adelaide
24th September 2014 9:36am
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Bbbradm1 says...
does anyone have any fig plants for sale please?
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ROCHEDALE SOUTH,4123,QLD
9th October 2014 1:26pm
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MaryT1 says...
Hi Bbbradm1 - try

http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/search.php?q=figs
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Sydney
10th October 2014 8:09am
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Salsta says...
naikii, I'd love cuttings of Pink Jerusalem, Yellow Excell and White Nicolina if you can spare them this year.

Figs that I have that you don't list include Black Genoa, Spanish and St Dominique Violette. I also now have little Honey and Capri figs and mature Brown Turkey and Black Genoa that cuttings can be taken from.

I'm happy to trade cuttings if you like. If so, let me know.

I'd also love to find Black Madeira if anyone has one.
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Gippsland
29th December 2014 2:33pm
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Original Post was last edited: 30th December 2014 11:02am
Harry says...
Hi,

I would like to add a Pingo De Mel to my very modest collection of figs (VDB and Black Genoa).

There seems to be a few circulating in Australia atm. I have contacted a few members (in another online forum) but I have not received any replies (damn squirrels!).

If anyone has a spare plant or any cuttings, I'd be more than happy to buy it off you.

Thanks

harrythelarry at live dot com
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Harry
ROXBURGH PARK,3064,VIC
4th March 2015 4:35pm
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sternus1 says...
I can assure you that nobody else has real pin go de mel or vdb other than daleys.

Be careful. There's a lot of scammers out there.
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Australia
4th March 2015 4:50pm
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Harry says...
I think you’re right, the "VDB" I have is most likely a common fig…

I will just have to curb my impatience for now and wait until it becomes available on Daleys. I have a feeling it will be a while though, just had a look on their site and it seems that they are still in the process of seeking propagation material. Hopefully it won’t be too long!
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ROXBURGH PARK,3064,VIC
5th March 2015 4:16pm
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Carl76 says...
Here's the reply I got yesterday.

These are exciting new variety that we are trialling in the hope that it will be a success.

We don't have propagation material for these but we do have a few source plants that we are growing to create this material in the future so it would be at least a year and when they do become available they will be in short supply at first until we can build up the propagation material.
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Wilston 4051
5th March 2015 4:48pm
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sternus1 says...
Carl if you need updates just ask me. I'm in congress with correy several times per week.
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Australia
5th March 2015 8:08pm
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Carl76 says...
Thanks
Will be a year or so anyway,it'll pass quickly, hopefully.
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Wilston 4051
5th March 2015 10:03pm
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Harry says...
Thanks for the update Carl, looks very promising.

Sternus, expect a message or two from me some time!

Cheers
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ROXBURGH PARK,3064,VIC
6th March 2015 1:46pm
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sternus1 says...
Carl, you should email me.

No evil star @ hush mail dot me
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Australia
6th March 2015 3:21pm
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Frank.f says...
Hi guys, hopefully someone can help me out. Im after a tiger striped panache fig. I have many varieties but cant seem to get my hands on this one. Im not fussed on the cost. Thanks.
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Razorback
15th November 2015 8:57pm
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Me&amp;u says...
I am after rare and hard to find fig tree verieties, happy to pay, cost is not an issue. If someone has any available please let me know
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Westmeadows
21st June 2016 8:01pm
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Louisiana says...
I have a Panache. This Jan. or Feb. I will be doing some cuttings, & would let some go.
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New Orleans
24th May 2017 5:51am
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