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Is it possible to grow custard apple in south australia? if so what varieties?

Time: 20th January 2008 3:04pm

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John says...
Hay, you will only get success out of the brazilian custrad apple. My advice is to keep it protected from frosts, plent of fertilizer, pot ash and water. Hay try a star apple as well.

Time: 20th January 2008 6:28pm

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Anonymous says...
what about star fruit? (carambola)

Time: 21st January 2008 9:53pm

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anon says...
Read Glowinski for sage advice on what grows where . Brazilizn custard apple is the least likely of the custard apple family to grow in SA . Hay.

Time: 22nd January 2008 9:20am

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John says...
Hay anon, and you r from where, and know what, ????? details please!.

yes, my fault, star fruit or caramdola (the red skin fruit which sells to the tourests in bali)

Time: 22nd January 2008 12:25pm

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anon says...
Don't take offence . May I recommend Glowinski and his book ,best 45dollars you'll spend. Carambola (star fruit),aka five corners, has yellow skin . Is there a red skin variety?

Time: 22nd January 2008 4:09pm

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John says...
he he he sorry for losing it.I was right the frist time, i am growing star apples, purple thick skinned fruit, that have like a white flesh inside it with one black seed. I find them delicous. Also a brazilian custard apple,jak,paw paw,r2e2 mangoe,spk mangoe,8 guavas,red and yellow pitaya and a chocolate custard fruit. Everyone thinks I am nuts, but we will see what the future brings and how well my persistance goes.Hay i am growing over a hundred durians to but nut in Australia. again sorry for losing it.

Time: 22nd January 2008 4:46pm

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Anonymous says...
John have you had any luck with the brazilian custard apple in the way of fruit?

Time: 22nd January 2008 8:05pm

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John says...
All my trees are growing well. They have got to me in october i think. I will give you an answer on the custard apples in four years, jacks about 3 years, paws in 10 months, and mangoes grow well around here. The guavas do to. My star apple would be my slowest growing and perhaps the hardest to grow here. I have lost a red pitaya, more to mishandling than anything else.

Time: 23rd January 2008 11:04am

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Shaun says...
Did your Custard Apple tree manage to survive this winter, John ?
Well, looks like my Sweetsop (Anonas squamosa, and is related to the custard apple) may die soon .....
it is droping all its leaves, and sort of waste away.

Time: 19th August 2008 8:17pm

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John says...
Shaun

Stop watering it, cold and over watering will kill it.

Time: 20th August 2008 3:32pm

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Anonymous says...
Beg to differ. Water well during cold speels . It is harder to freeze a wet soil as it has more thermal mass.

Time: 21st August 2008 5:52am

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John says...
This is Perth, thers no freezing, so rots proliferate in cold waterlogged soggy soil.

Time: 21st August 2008 12:13pm

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Shaun says...
OK, I'll try to keep it moist without over-watering it ....
I think that will be a good 'compromise'
:-)

Time: 24th August 2008 12:13am

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vanl says...
Hi Anonymous,

African Fride custard apples grow and fruit really well in SA. They are very hardy and no need for shade cloth. I also have Gefner custard apple. It is about 4 years old, but no fruit yet. It also grows very well. Cherimoyas (if you also consider them to be a custard apple) are also fairly easy to grow.


Time: 20th October 2008 12:10pm

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Shaun says...
My Sweetsop tree has begin to sprout out new leave buds .... it survived the winter !!!
How do I encourage it to grow faster .... any tips. please ?
Thanks.

Time: 23rd October 2008 1:39am

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Jantina says...
Hi vanl,very interested to know what part of S.A. you garden in.I have a cherimoya in a pot which lost all it,s leaves this winter but is sprouting again now. I am a bit scared to plant it in case I kill it.Any tips from your experience?Thanks Jantina P.S. I garden just below Mt.Gambier.you can grow avocadoes here.

Time: 23rd October 2008 8:02am

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vanl says...
Jantina,

I garden in the Western Surburbs of Adelaide. Cherimoya is semi deciduous so it will loose most its leaves in Autumn and will sprout again around now. Likewise with custard apples. I recommend Rapid Raiser twice a year and Seasol once in a while.



Time: 23rd October 2008 8:36am

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Jantina says...
Thankyou vanl,much appreciated ,I will give it a go.

Time: 23rd October 2008 11:26am

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Shaun says...
Thanks for the tips, vanl.
I'll feed my Sweetsop to help it grow faster and stronger.
:-)

Time: 26th October 2008 11:42pm

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frances says...
I have a custard apple plant which has grown from a twig to half a metre tall in a pot. What do I do now? How tall can it grow?
I have a choice of full sun (and wind)or
under a tall plum tree or in a corner of the back yard which is sunny for part of the day and protected by two fences.
Help!

Time: 27th November 2008 8:46pm

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peter says...
you probably will not believe me but my one year old african pride atemoya has flowers on it!!! is it the right time for fruit? does it need pollinating?

Time: 2nd December 2008 12:44am

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peter says...
you could pollinate some flowers by hand
just in case.

Time: 2nd December 2008 4:48pm

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peter says...
i read that african pride do not need pollinating is this true?

Time: 2nd December 2008 6:41pm

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peter says...
other fruits such as the cherimoya
which are self furtile still benifit
from hand pollination.

Time: 2nd December 2008 7:11pm

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Shaun says...
My small Sweetsop tree has now got a few more new growth shoots, but growth of the other older shoots are still very slow .....
is that because of the recent weather, or have I done something wrong ?

Time: 10th December 2008 1:26pm

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Anonymous says...
my african pride custard apple is only 55cms tall and 43cms wide but has five to six flowers. i heard that it will stunt the growth if i leave them on.
should i remove them?

Time: 30th December 2008 3:46pm

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Kath says...
Remove the flowers as it will save the tree from devoting any energy into fruit production and will push it back into a growth faze. You want your young tree to be making roots and shoots.

Time: 31st December 2008 12:58pm

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RolFlor a says...
Pinks Mammoth is the best flavour.
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Time: 3rd January 2009 8:03pm

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Shaun says...
My Sweetsop plant has not taken off very much since my last post in Oct'08 ....
only a few small leaves ans several small buds on the main stem ....
Is there anything I could do to encourage it to grow faster, please?
All tips will be appreciated.
Thanks.

Time: 4th January 2009 10:01pm

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John says...
Try a Zinc Sulphate spray, my trees got one and all of them citrus, stone and pome fruit all responded very well.

Your on a similar perth sand to me.

Time: 7th January 2009 9:44am

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peter says...
it is going to be forty one degrees on tuesday in adelaide and i am worried about my custard apple.can it withstand the heat? should i water it in the morning?what should i do?

Time: 11th January 2009 6:33pm

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peter says...
35 on monday 41 on tuesday and
at some stage well get the usual
2 weeks or so of even hotter temps.
about all you can do is put up some
shade cloth to shield it from the sun and keep it watered.


spare a thought for some stuff i have in a glass house.

Time: 11th January 2009 7:15pm

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Aaron Pirie says...
Hello, I have a problem with one custard apple tree in particular where the top of the fruit turns a black colour. This seems to spread down as the fruit grows. Please help....
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Time: 14th January 2009 2:32pm

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Tracey says...
My custard apple tree which is usually flush with fruit had 2 last year and nothing so far this year. What do I fertilise with ? Any suggestions ? I'm in Perth

Time: 19th January 2009 9:55pm

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Wayne says...
Hey Aaron, have a look here under "pests and diseases" where they describe what you probably have
http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/horticulture/5497.html

Time: 20th January 2009 7:47am

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peter says...
i live in adelaide and i have have a african pride and pinks mammoth custard apple. I know african pride will fruit (i saw a photo)but i heard pinks mammoth need humidity of 70 to 80 percent to fruit. will it fruit?

Time: 26th January 2009 7:08pm

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Anonymous says...
is it safe to spray water on the leaves in the evening?

Time: 1st February 2009 8:10pm

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Wayne says...
"i heard pinks mammoth need humidity of 70 to 80 percent to fruit. will it fruit?"

If your African Pride fruits Peter I see no reason why the PM won't
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"is it safe to spray water on the leaves in the evening?"

Yep, be aware that you might wash off any spray that you have used so it would be best to water first, then spray. I prefer to spray my trees in the cool of the evening.

Time: 2nd February 2009 4:53pm

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Anonymous says...
thank you wayne!

Time: 6th February 2009 11:47pm

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Shaun says...
Despite the many weeks of warm weather, my Sweetsop only grows a few small new leaves, and had stopped giving out new shoots ..... :-(
It still appears in a sorry state (although a little better than during late-winter / early-mid-spring), is rather twiggy and appears weak .....
what must I do to encourage it to grow faster? .....
If it continue this way, I am afraid it may not survive the coming winter in 2009.
Any tips will be appreciated

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p/s: Corey, thanks for the plastic label of the Sweetsop .... received it last week when I got back to Perth.

Time: 12th February 2009 9:04pm

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Anonymous says...
i am having the same problem!!! my plant lost almost all its leaves during winter early spring and hasnt done much since. are they normally quick to grow? how much water should i give it?how can i encourage it to grow faster?
any tips would be appreciated.

Time: 13th February 2009 6:22pm

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Julie says...
Anonymous,are you the same anonymous who wanted to kill an Emblica tree a while ago? I would love some seeds if you still have the tree, or saved some seeds.

Could you email me at julwood at iprimus dot com dot au.(safe way to avoid spam).

Thanks

Time: 22nd February 2009 6:40pm

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Jantina says...
Vanl, haven't seen you on the forum for a while. Just letting you know that I took your advice about the cherimoya and planted it next to a north/west brick wall and it is booming. Thankyou Jantina

Time: 25th February 2009 5:39pm

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vanl says...
Hi Jatina,

I have been inundated with work, hence less time to check this forum. Anyway congrats.
The killer SA heat wave burnt a fair few of my trees including the cherimya. They do not handle heat very well. After adding plenty of water and seasol, they are all sprouting again.

BTW, in response to your other post, I was after the KJ Pinks variety.

Cheers.


Time: 26th February 2009 11:18am

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Jantina says...
vanl, glad to hear your plants have responded to the seasol and water, that heat was enough to fry anything. Rats I had a Pinks Mammoth in my head. ok I will write KJ Pinks on a piece of paper and keep it in my purse. I get around with my work and you never know where one might turn up. Cheers.

Time: 26th February 2009 11:34am

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peter says...
vanl,
i am also in the western suburbs and
i want to get a cherimoya.
what variety do you have and have you
had friut from it.

Time: 26th February 2009 5:22pm

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Shaun says...
Inferring from the above posts, perhaps I should relocate my Sweetsop plant to a more sheltered and suitable spot.

Time: 1st March 2009 12:27am

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Anonymous says...
how long can you store the pollen?


Time: 11th March 2009 5:15pm

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Julie says...
I have kept pollen in the freezer till I needed it. Not from this fruit (another plant) but it is worth a try.

Time: 26th March 2009 8:11pm

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vanl says...
Peter,

I have a "white" cherimoya. No fruit yet but maybe because I don't know how to pollinate cherimoyas properly. It is about 3m high.
On the other hand, custard apples are partially self fertile. I have "Gefner" and "African Pride". The African Pride didn't recover too well after the heat wave. I think its time for a replacement as land is scarce in my backyard :-)

Time: 23rd April 2009 1:24pm

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peter says...
hi vanl,
since my last post i have got two differant varieties of cherimoya.
if you want i can show you how they need to be pollinated.
also pruning at a certain time is of
great benefit.


Time: 23rd April 2009 6:03pm

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amanda says...
I have an african pride and a hiliary white (i was told i needed both?) they are nearly three years old and the african pride had 4 small yummy fruit without any help from me. They are still very wobbly in the ground though - does it take time for the tap-root to establish strongly? (ps - mine survived a week of 38 - 42 oC no problems this summer)They have constant subsurface irrigation from our Biolytix system (not a lot as only 2 people in the house)and surface irrigation.

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chanman says...
hello,
Im living in adelaide, and I am really desperate to find someone who has a few brazilian custard apple trees. I am desperate to make some brazilian instruments made from this wood, and would really love it if anyone has a decent sized tree that wouldnt mind me cutting a small branch off...
160cm, straight, about 2-3cm width. Id be willing to pay if you needed.
my email is: chanland@hotmail.com

Time: 10th May 2009 8:08pm

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Shaun says...
My almost leaveless Sweetsop will be experiencing its 2nd winter ....
hope it survi....
any tips on how to keep it alive?

Time: 15th June 2009 9:46pm

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Mariana says...
In our previous residence, we had a fully grown custard apple tree in the ground which bore fruit. We have since moved to another house and I have grown another tree from seed. It is currently about half a metre tall and is in a 17cm pot. I need to transplant it as the leaves are turning yellow but I don't want to put it into the ground because I may extend on the house in years to come and don't have much ground. Please advise how large the container should be. Would half a barrel be large enough? Many thanks for your help.

Time: 16th October 2009 12:58am

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Ellen says...
If you're planning to move within a year or two, then half a barrel would be too large of a pot to transfer the plant into , 410mm pot will do Mariana .

Time: 16th October 2009 1:53am

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Mariana says...
Thanks Ellen. I know that if you grow a tree in a pot the size will be restricted which I don't mind because I don't want a huge tree. So do you think that if I transfer the tree in a pot that size it could bear fruit in years to come, that's if I'm lucky?

Time: 17th October 2009 12:54am

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Ellen says...
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I have friends in Tx who planted apple custard in a 30 gallons pot , and the tree mature and fruit as normal.But they have to change the potting soil every 2 1/2 yrs.- 3 yrs

So it will get there, we just have to be patience.

Time: 17th October 2009 12:55pm

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Tropicdude says...
Ellen I have a small Annona squamosa, and a muricata growing in pots, what is the reason for the soil replacement in the pots? to they cut back some roots also? could you get a picture? anyone have a Black Sapote in a pot?

Time: 17th October 2009 1:02pm

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Ellen says...
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I have a muricata and B.Sapote both in pots,

the reason people change potting soils every so often is to maintain that high level of nutrients and performance of quality soil for your plant . Over time if you dont feed it with composts often, or every so often you just chuck in a handful of those slow release of fertilisers to feed the plant only, it is not enough to sustain a healthy plant , drainage level in the soil deteriorate, what you water in came out right through, couldn't sustain the moist level in the soil to feed the roots of your plant.



http://garden.blogtells.com/2008/03/14/potting-and-repotting/

and when you do have to cut back some roots, just cut back dead roots only, each time you transfer it from one pot to another, be very careful, it will go into shock.

And yes, I happen to have a b.sapote in a pot too.

After tasting this fruit the other day, through my local vegie shop, I think this plant is a bit over rated

Time: 17th October 2009 3:22pm

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Mick says...
Ellen, black sapote is not over-rated IMHO, but it doesn't do much on its own. Even a very small amount of dairy product such as ice cream completely transforms it. Apparently rum has a very positive effect too.

Time: 19th October 2009 5:06pm

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HappyEarth says...
The black sapote doesn't have much flavour on its own - but its color and texture are fantastic. We mix it in with our smoothies and the result is spectacular :)

I'll have to try it with a bit of rum... thanks Ellen!

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Tropicdude says...
May i suggest this link:

http://www.icuc-iwmi.org/files/Publications/Annona_Manual.pdf

everything you ever wanted to know about Annonas (Annona cherimola, A. muricata, A. reticulata, A. senegalensis
and A. squamosa)

but didn't know who to ask :)

pay particular attention to pollination, if I remember the technique, you should collect pollen from male flowers in the evening then the next morning pollinate the female flowers. ( Squamosa, reticulatas etc ) the Muricata ( Guanabana or Sour Sop ) shouldnt have pollination problems, its usually the Sweet Sop, Pond Apples, Sugar Apples, Cherymoyas, and Atemoyas that usually need assistance.

Time: 20th October 2009 3:50pm

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Mariana says...
Many thanks Ellen for your assistance. Take care

Time: 20th October 2009 8:31pm

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Tropicdude says...
Thank you Ellen for the Potting information, thats good to know as I have a very small patio ( city dweller here boo hoo ) and everything is in pots or some other container. that link also answered another question I had, which was, whether I should transplant at dormant stage or when plant is flushing. according to that link I should transplant when in dormant phase. my particular plant just started flushing a couple weeks ago, so Ill wait till it goes dormant again.

Time: 21st October 2009 3:09am

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Ellen says...
No worries folks, I was glad I was able to help.

Time: 21st October 2009 6:27am

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Shaun says...
I think my Sweetsop had died off completely this winter :-(
There is no sign of green bits, and the main stem looks dried and corky.
There is no indication of new green shoots emerging.
Should I chuck it out now or should I wait a lil longer before disposing it off?

Time: 23rd October 2009 7:32pm

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Ellen says...
Shaun

I think your sweetsop is deciduous just like my soursop is.

Looks can be deceiving Shaun, don't give up on it, keep water it just enough to keep the root system moist.

I was about to give up on my soursop too, until I read some of the green thumbers in my edible pages and their comments .

I've relocate my annona muricata (soursop) into a warmer location(as I had placed them in pots) and it is spurting with yound shoots now .

My previous mistake with my last sweetsop 5 yrs ago was I too thought that it had died, but it was not so b/c it went dormant over the winter. So I stop watering it . And sure enough it did died.

Time: 24th October 2009 2:36am

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peetah says...
i also thought my custard apples were dead but someone on the forum told me they are dormant over winter and lose their leaves.i kept on watering and now they have new shoots!!!you just have to be patient. they have to get over winter

Time: 24th October 2009 11:05pm

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Shaun says...
Thanx for your response, Ellen & peetah.
I may have done the fatal mistake by letting nature do the watering (aka let the rain do the work) ......
hope my Sweetsop may survive the recent hot spell in Perth bcos I have not seen it for the past couple of weeks.

Time: 26th October 2009 10:08pm

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peetah says...
both my custard apples (african pride and pink mammoth)have flowers on them!
under the current conditions will i get fruit off them?as we are in the middle of a heatwave!should i fertilize?

Time: 8th November 2009 8:23pm

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Shaun says...
I think my Sweetsop is now a 'goner' = DEAD !!
All the branches and main stem had dried up and shrunk, and are brittle (snapped off very easily when bend slightly).
:-(

Time: 9th November 2009 1:29pm

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Ellen says...
yup they're definitely dead there SHAUN

Time: 9th November 2009 3:41pm

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Lenny says...
Is it possible to get a Pinks Mammoth in Western Australia, have had a request from a friend in Bali

Time: 8th June 2010 9:27am

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Rev says...
try bunnings, you might be suprised

im also planning to take fruit cultivars to bali

ive done it before
i always declare to indo customs
when i bring a suitcase of bare rooted plants over!
but theyve never cared

take them a decent passionfruit too
they may like the ruby grapefruit, as jeruk bali is grapefruit like but so-so, and easier to get than a good thai pommelo


Time: 22nd June 2010 12:43am

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BJ says...
The Hilary White atemoya I got from Daleys last year has not woken up this spring, and will not do so. The rootstock is producing a few small shoots from well below the graft. Does anyone know what the rootstock is likely to be and would it be worthwhile just growing the rootstock so its not a complete loss?

Time: 21st October 2010 4:36pm

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Jason says...
It should be a Cherimoya, they at least used to use Cherimoya as a rootstock and I believe that's still the standard thing to do since it's a strong grower.

I'd take a seedling Cherimoya over any Atemoya any day so, better let it grow out and chop the top off any others you have while you are there :)

Time: 21st October 2010 6:47pm

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Ricki says...
Is it possible to grow custard apple and paw paw from seed and how do you treat the seed before planting?

Time: 30th October 2010 5:34pm

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Jason says...
Ricki, yes if you are talking about papaya you just need to put them in potting mix and keep it warm (25c ish). It's the same deal with custard apple, they don't take many years to fruit from seed either, Cherimoyas are the same but a pure breed and just taste better. If you are talking about paw paw (from Northern America which I guess you are in a custard apple thread) then they need to be soaked for a day or so then put in a moist mix then stuck in the fridge for 3 months, then they will germinate

Time: 30th October 2010 7:24pm

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Ricki says...
Thank you Jason for your reply, I will do as you suggest and keep you informed.Growing fruit trees is new to me so I appreciate any advise.

Time: 3rd November 2010 8:13pm

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jon says...
Ricki: To confirm what others have said, Cherimoya is the Chilean relative to the custard apple. It's more frost hardy than the latter, and tastes less clawingly sweet...like a lemon meringe pie. Really very nice. I have one growing near Grafton, NSW and frosts never bother it. Jon

Time: 4th November 2010 5:59pm

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Ricki says...
Thanks Jon, we rarely get frost here,but I will keep it in mind and check the local nurseries about the availability of Cherimoya. I have not heard of it. Thank you ,Ricki

Time: 6th November 2010 2:18pm

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Mariana says...
Last October I wrote seeking advise re transplanting my custard apple tree into a container and Ellen suggested to transplant it into a 410mm size pot. I have transplanted my tree into a 350mm size pot just 2 months ago i.e. September 10 and I'm so chuffed to report that my tree is very happy and that I have counted thus far 6 'flowers'. Now I wait in anticipation for a fruit this season. Thanks Ellen for your advice.

Time: 8th November 2010 9:22pm

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Troy says...
Hi everyone I would love advice on procuring Annona reticulata a pink variety of custard apple. Has any one heard of this in Australia I seem to be hitting brick walls all over the place with this one. I found some seeds for sale in South Africa but I dont like the chances of getting them in as a individual.

Time: 13th December 2010 3:00pm

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BJ says...
Isnt it a weed up north?
There are seeds on oZtion.
They are listed on the Daley's site, under Mexican Custard Apple, but it is probably a remnant listing.

Time: 13th December 2010 3:36pm

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fruitist says...
I think the weedy one you mean is Pond Apple = Annoa glabra.

Time: 13th December 2010 3:49pm

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BJ says...
The new atemoya cv is on the market. 'Paxton Prolific', which I believe is the retail version of the KJ Pinks custard apple. Supposed to be fully self pollinating and prolific and just about as good as Pinks Mammoth, but with a hell of a lot less work. I saw them at my local nursery, and I think they'll be going into most Bunnings too, as they have the same marketing as a number of other Bunnings plants. It is a bit pricey though at $40+ but I may get one after Xmas and see how it goes.

Time: 22nd December 2010 10:56am

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fruitist says...
Just rang Mt Gravatt Bunnings. They don't have it yet. PP is so prolific that, the flowers come out in multiples. BJ, if you are getting one, can you let me know as I want to get one too.

Time: 23rd December 2010 9:36am

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BJ says...
Hi fruitist, nice to see your collection the other day. I am thinking of picking one up tomorrow. Do you still have my email? If so, let me know if you want me to pick you up one.


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Gary says...
I am about to plant a custard apple tree How should I prepare the ground and does it require a wet or dry location? Thanks.

Time: 9th January 2011 5:45pm

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Brendan says...
Hi Gary, like most fruit trees, they don't like it too wet. But my recently planted custard apple is growing well on top of a mound, in a very wet area.
I 'think' mine is a Annosa Squamosa variety, the old favourite type.


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Time: 10th January 2011 9:13am

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Gary says...
Thanks Brendan
I will purchase my trees when the Fitzroy Nursery opens. I gather the flooding has kept it closed. I have heard that a new variety is available. I would like to plant a couple of varieties.

Time: 10th January 2011 4:55pm

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Brendan says...
Hi Gary, I think there's more than 50 varieties of custard apples?
My favourite is Annosa Squamosa, the one in pic above :-)

Time: 14th January 2011 8:41am

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gary says...
Will fruit fly be a problem? At present I will be planting near pink grapefruit tree, lychee, orange, manderine and lime trees. I think fruit fly is starting to affect the fruit from these trees.

Time: 15th January 2011 11:52pm

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Brendan says...
Gary, have a look at the post from Wayne called 'Lemons & Fruit Flys'.

Time: 17th January 2011 9:49am

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Wayne says...
Hello Gary, the fruit fly have stung my "Lots of Lemons" only previously and not bothering my "Blood Orange", "Tahitian Lime" nor my "Tangelo". I don't know why that is.

We are planning a trip down your way for Easter so I will bring you down some brew if you would like to try it.

Time: 17th January 2011 12:38pm

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John Mc says...
Yay, picked up two Paxton prolific s and two of the new Tropic sun Atemoya s today. It was a long drive to Canley Vale Nursery in Sydney but it was definately worth it. Also picked up a 2mtr Kwai Muk and a Giant Granadilla, excellent fruit tree nursery.
While in the area I had the opportunity to peruse some exotic fruit shops in Cabramatta. A bit of an eye opener, tried the Santol and Yellow Dragonfruit and bought a Durian but havn t opened it, I don t have any nose plugs. Also bought a 1kg custard apple. Do the African pride s get that large? or is there more of a chance it might be a Pinks mammoth?

Time: 9th March 2011 9:09pm

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Michael says...
Hi John,

I was at the Canley Vale nursey today and was so tempted to get the new Tropic Sun variety but I don't have anymore room in my garden for it. I ended getting a yellow bi sexual paw paw instead just because it was a metre high and at $30 it was quite a good deal.

Time: 10th March 2011 5:57pm

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micarle says...
Michael what time were you there?? I was there at 12ish, i grabbed a tropic sun and paxtons prolific. Only one tropic sun left

Time: 10th March 2011 6:18pm

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John Mc says...
Yes, it's a great nursery. Did you see how advanced the Longans and Lychees were? I'm going to try and make it a bi-annual event. The people running it are very nice as well.
The shops in the Cabramatta shopping centre blew me away. I thought I was in another part of the world, definately not Australia. I loved the fruit shops, they carry a much different range of tropical fruits, which, I was in my element.

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Michael says...
I was there at 10.30 this morning . I go there at least once a month just to browse( I live just 5 minutes down the road ). They have very advance trees which i like and I got my lychee from them as well. There is a massive lychee tree in the house next door on Canly Vale road . It was starting to fruit last month when I saw it . The shops at Cabramatta are stocking Achacha for $5 - $6 a kilo which is a bargain.


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Wayne says...
Sounds like you guys are in your glory, no Tropic Sun in Mackay yet, I picked mine up in Rockhampton [4hrs drive away]

Brendan and myself live amongst 100,000 people plus with almost as many who shop here but we do not have a nursery worth talking about. The best we can do is Bunnings who's prices for citrus starts at $35, we pay miners tax for everything

Time: 10th March 2011 7:04pm

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Peter says...
Good news for WA: The self-pollinating custard apple Paxton Prolific is available in Perth, Tass1Trees! No more rushing around with a paint brush to handpollinate...

Time: 10th March 2011 7:25pm

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Wayne says...
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but the new Tropic Sun is also a self polinator, as you say, beats doing it by hand;

Time: 10th March 2011 8:40pm

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BJ says...
All the Paxton's Prolific plants at my local have little fruits on them in their bags. Very cute. Mine held two fruits but I've knocked them off as its still in its bag.

Time: 10th March 2011 8:48pm

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micarle says...
Great didn't know they were both self polinating! What about Late gold does it need hand polination???

Time: 10th March 2011 8:52pm

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Peter says...
Is Tropic Sun really self-pollinating? I can't find anything on the net about it and the breeders would probably boast about it, protect it by plant breeder rights and earn some extra money (I think there is no PBR). Maybe it works ok in more humid areas, but I am not sure for Perth...At least they promise 40% pollination for Paxton Prolific and hopefully thats enough for getting fruit in hot-dry Perth.

Time: 11th March 2011 12:00pm

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BJ says...
http://www.custardapple.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7254:new-custard-apple-variety-just-released&catid=2&Itemid=73

They call it 'free-fruiting', but dont mention about the need for pollination. I guess 'free-fruiting' could mean that it self-pollinates, but wouldnt know. Maybe an email or call cto Fitzroy Nursery could clear that up?

Anyway, I'm happy with the PP I've got. If I come into alot of land, I'll think about the Tropic Sun, and go on the search for the Island Gem again.

Time: 11th March 2011 2:05pm

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Jason says...
I'd believe it's possible to have a Custard apple that sets all it's flowers by default. I saw a Cherimoya literally killing itself from how much fruit had set on it, maybe 1000 fruit or more. There were other trees around it that were behaving normally with a few fruit here and there so I think it was just something genetic with that tree

Time: 11th March 2011 2:17pm

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Jantina says...
Was that tree in Mexico Jason or over here?

Time: 11th March 2011 3:34pm

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Wayne says...
Peter
I just read the link and no it doesn't mention self polinating, I was just going by what the lady at Capricorn Nursery told me, so perhaps an email to check. The next time I'm down there I'll call and re-check.

Time: 11th March 2011 5:00pm

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Peter says...
Wayne,
you probably have got the right advice as your area has probably enough humidity and low enough temperature for the flower parts to have a longer life before they dry out. In hotter and drier areas around flowering time there is not enough overlap between viable pollen and receptive female part of the flower - that's why the trick of collecting pollen in the afternoon, storing in fridge overnight and brushing it inside a flower in female stage the next morning works out fine. All this attention is not needed in South America, as they have their native beetle pollinating. Also still good fruit set of cultivars in more milder-humid parts of the world like your area. For people living further south in the deep subtropics, Paxton Prolific might be better suited as a mutation has done something towards a better fruit set. A bit of guessing in there, but that's how I try to make sense of it...

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peter says...
i got a southern knight cherimoya and a
paxton prolific a few days ago.

the paxton came with a fruit lovers
lable on it which said it was a
kj pinks cultivar and was self polinating. it also had a fitzroy
nursery web address on the back.

my other cherimoya has recently set
one solitary fruit by itself and possibly another, will know in a few more days.

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Jason says...
Jantina, in Mexico. The main old cemetery in Puebla city not sure if it was the South end or North end of the city since I never do get used to the upside down sun :D.

There's usually Cherimoyas and sapotes growing in every cemetery because on day of the dead people bring gifts of the favorite things for the dead and lay them on the grave. So lots of dead peoples favorite fruits grow from the seeds all over the place.

There's also a lot of Cherimoya trees in the main central park in Mexico city, the best one I saw was somewhere not far from the Australian embassy in another park, it was LOADED with large almost ripe fruit. Also in Southern Mexico there was some other Anona species they also called Chirimoya (but it wasn't) growing up on the top of the mountains just under the pine tree line. Not sure what exactly it was since it wasn't the right season for them. But the local guy told me I must! come back in Cherimoya season since they are way better than mangos, which were ripe at the time I was there. They seemed totally naturalised where they were growing, maybe even native??

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Jantina says...
I must get to Mexico one day (in the right fruit season of course) maybe I can take Annie as a guide!

Time: 11th March 2011 11:59pm

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Wayne says...
Imagine Cherimoya trees growing in public places here.

Close by the Capricornia Nursery is Orams nursery.
http://www.oramsnurseries.com.au/fruiting.html
I got to talking to the lady there about polinating Cherimoyas by hand and I told her that my tree was setting some fruit by itself. She then told me that the bug doing the polinating was the vinegar fly and to hang pineapple scraps eg. in the tree. I mentioned this to Brendan and it appears this is a common practice in the area

Time: 12th March 2011 8:24am

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Peter says...
Thanks for sharing this information about the vinegar fly. I heard something along that line about custard apple growers who leave a small portion of their crop on the ground to let it rot underneath the tree. I like the version with the pineapple scraps hanging, so there is no breeding ground for the fruit fly. I have a compost tumbler next to my custard apple with hundreds of vinegar flies escaping when I open it and I imagine they fly out through the small holes of the tumbler as well...

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kert says...
There's another trick I read about > spray sugar on flowers to encourage insects.

Time: 12th March 2011 2:10pm

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Jason says...
My Cherimoyas do self pollinate here but only very late in the flowering season (too late to ripen before the Spring leaf drop). The conditions here when they self pollinate are cool nights (6-10c) and fog most nights once the sun goes down. The fog I believe is the key for them to pollinate without an insect

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Wayne says...
Thanks Kert

Interesting Jason, a couple of years back we would get fog often during the cooler months but rarely now

Time: 12th March 2011 6:59pm

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Jason says...
The fog belt only just starts here, another 10km inland there's heavy fog almost every night from about late March to May, then it's clear again during the rest of the year. That's been a very consistant thing for the last 6 years I've been paying attention. Not sure why exactly that happens but maybe because the ground is still warm at the time but the night air is cold?

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Miranda says...
I have a sugar apply tree, set it's first fruit late February last year after a night of rain. it was too late to ripen, and was split in early winter. Last month, it set it's second fruit.(I didn't hand polinate, as it is a slow growing tree, still very small.)This one may not be ripen.There are so many flowers. Last week, I decided to practise hand pollination. I used a small brush transfer pollen from fully open with aroma scent flowers to half open flowers, and mist the tree in the evening. I now have 6 small fruits. My problem is how to encough the tree to grow faster and bigger? next year, I will try hand polinate early spring, so I can have ripen fruits.
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Wayne says...
Can you get it out of the pot and into the ground Miranda

Time: 13th March 2011 7:29am

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John Mc says...
I think you've nailed it yourself Miranda. I see the sugar apple flowered much earlier but didn't self pollinate because of the dry weather. Next time start much earlier in the season, Jason says not to polinate too early, let the first flowers go and then start your hand pollinating. I think you'll have a bumper crop next year.
I'm with Wayne, I try to keep my potted plants to a minimum. Less maintenance.

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peter says...
hi miranda
that is a very small pot for a tree.
i have 3 purple sugar apples and they
are in half 44 gal drums.
or as wayne says even better to have
them in the ground.
it is also said that sugar apple pollination is improved with a
humid enviroment.

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Miranda says...
Thank you all for your adivice. We have just moved from a townhouse to a house, so most of my fruit trees are still in pots. I didn't put the sugar apple in lager pot, as it does not have many roots like other trees, may be the potting mixing is not right. but it finally gets full sun after we moved house. will change to large pot soon. it is heavy clay soil here, so I need to improve the soil structure befor I can put it in the ground.

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Jason says...
John Mc, did I say that":)? It's true though. About 1 month into flowering makes the best fruit. I have a lot of research papers about Cherimoyas somewhere around here from back when I was right into them.

Miranda, it can be debatable if disturbing soil is a good thing. I'm one person that doesn't believe in it, it breaks all the structures in the layers of soil that have taken a very long time to form and channel all the water and nutrients to the roots. Better to dig the very smallest hole with the least disturbance possible and fix the soil with mulch from above if you ask me. I only even dig holes *just* wide enough to jam the plant in and try my best to put all the layers of soil back in the order they came out.

If you stick a seed straight in it's final position it'll be the best tree you ever grew, I think a lot of the reason why that happens is because the soil was never disturbed

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KERT says...
I don't think the adice given is accurate in this instance. If the soil is well structured and has "crumbs" it is important not to disturb it esp. when it is v.dry or wet. Miranda has clay soil of poor structure (West. Sydney) and the correct response is as follows - heap up the soil to encourage drainage , add plenty of organic matter, use gypsum but only if you have sodic clays (there is a simple home test to identify sodic clays)

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John Mc says...
You can't be too careful when watering your Annons are concerned can you?
This morning I found a seedling in a pot with collar rot, all the bark at ground level could be rubbed off easily all round the trunk. The growing tips have died off but the rest of the plant looks to be in excellent health for now.
It's only a seedling but it's a good wake up call for all my grafted specimens up the the paddock. I ran around every single one of them and pulled the compost away from the trunk as much as I could with my fingers. They must be better drained being in the ground. I'll be reducing the watering to maybe once or twice a week from now on till it cools then maybe stopping alltogether, depending on the climate at the time. I was watering them every second day, they probably weren't drying out enough between waterings, It's been very hot here with no rain whatsoever. Phew!!! close one.

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Peter says...
Yes - it's far easier to add water when needed, whereas collar rot can't be corrected. Good drainage is important. For potted plants avoid a dish underneath as this waterloggs the soil and encourages collar rot. Also I would not recycle the soil of the diseased plant.

Time: 15th March 2011 12:46pm

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Jason says...
Not collar rot but I repaired a Cherimoya that had been badly ring barked by a bush rat (100%) earlier this year and was slowly dying back to that spot below the graft. I used a patch of bark from one of my larger trees and grafted it across the damaged section. I wasn't expected it to work but it did and the tree is healing and growing quite well now

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Brad says...
i don't suppose you took pictures of the process?

Time: 15th March 2011 2:08pm

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peter says...
hi john mc
i only water my cherimoya once every
month or so and it is in very loose well
drained soil so would dry out a lot
between waterings with no ill affects.

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John Mc says...
Hey Peter,
How long has your cherimoya been in the ground? I take it's very well established?

Time: 15th March 2011 6:46pm

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peter says...
hi john
this is its second year.
is about 4.5 feet high and four feet
wide. not many flowers last year and a
few more this year. one little fruit
has set and possibly two others
without hand pollination.
i have had two others die which were
planted in a differant area with much
more moisture retaining soil.
soon to plant another i have just
aquired.


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John Mc says...
I must say, I planted a seedling from an African Pride fruit last year right up the top of the paddock that doesn't get any water whatsoever and is still alive. It hasn't grown much but is still alive and healthy, I was surprised to see it was still there.
I wonder what the progeny is from this variety (African Pride)? Has anyone got throwbacks of A Squamosa? or A Cherimola? I suppose they could be anything since the African pride is a hybrid between the two. Some of my other seedlings from the same fruit have rounded leaves very similar to A Cherimola. Is it worth growing them out? or should I try grafting on a known cv?

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fruitist says...
All the new Atemoya cultivars released by the ACAGA are self-pollinating. This is their new criterion.

Yes, the "free fruiting" as described by them is unclear in meaning.

Time: 13th May 2011 6:51pm

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Peter says...
I am a little suspicious - why ACAGA would create a new terminology? 'Self-pollinating' rings a bell in everyones ear, whereas free fruiting does not make sense. They would also have some percentages of fruit set, like there is for Paxton Prolific...just a sales strategy of left-over cultivars from a breeding program which did not make it to the commercial growers, maybe. The exeption seems to be Paxton Prolific, formerly only available as KJ Pink to commercial growers.
The real good stuff is hopefully available to home growers as well (doubt it) - such as a pink skinned and pink fleshed hybrid of Annonas, announced as self-pollinating!

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fruitist says...
Peter, write to their secretary to see if they will improve the wordings about Tropical Sun like putting in "self-pollinating" and percentage fruit set. Also, complain about lack of appropriate materials on their website. Yes, they have yet to release other varieties like Illama which is self pollinating and well suited to cooler environment.

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Peter says...
Someone else might want to go down that track - after reading the info provided I made the choice to stay away from Tropical Sun for the Perth situation.
To be more moderate: Tropic Sun might be slightly better than the old cultivars like African Pride, but not a real hammer, otherwise the provided info would sound more exiting!

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Brad says...
How would a Paxton prolific go in Perth with birds and fruit fly?
Peter (Perth) can you get in touch via email using myfirstname at anize dot org?

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fruitist says...
Just wondering how much is a Tropical Sun. One nursery here sells for $45.

Time: 17th May 2011 5:33pm

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John Mc says...
Yes, in Canley Vale, Sydney, they were $45 each and the Paxton's were $40. From memory, Rocky nursery, the propagators, had an RRP of $45.

Time: 17th May 2011 9:01pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Tropical Fruit World has them for $34, nice advanced trees too.

Time: 17th May 2011 9:10pm

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fruitist says...
Will give this Tropical Sun a miss as the fruits are medium to small.

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John Mc says...
They are quite vigorous in their growth, I bought two. Could even throw a couple of fruit next year. I'll keep you posted.

Time: 18th May 2011 8:06pm

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Est says...
Hi - your posting is a 2008 one and I hope I can stillfind you. where do you get custart apple seeedlings in South Affrica?

Time: 6th June 2011 5:50pm

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Est says...
Hi Marianna

Where doyou get Custart Apple sesdlings in South Africa?

Time: 6th June 2011 5:55pm

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Mike says...
Hi all, any advice on where i could find Custard apple in Johannesburg, South africa?

I manage to locate an annona reticulata is it the same? ( sorry in my ignorance)
plant and not sure the difference between Annona squamosa or Annona cherimola ?


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Jason says...
reticulata is the Sweetstop, Squamosa is the sugar apple. cherimola is the Cherimoya, muricata is the Guanabana/Soursop. Most people like the Sugar apple or Cherimoya the most depending if they are tropical or temperate people but Guanabana is used in icecreams and drinks a lot in central and Southern America, it's more sour tasting and kind of chewy



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fruitist says...
There is a sweet variety of Soursop/Guanabana/Graviola. The pulp is slightly drier and fruit smaller than the original one.

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fruitist says...
Evergting is the same for the sweet variety. Same tree, same fruit except it is sweet and slightly drier texture. The skin can be peeled off if you cut the fruit into slices. My favourite way of eating is eating the slices. I can peel off the skin one bite at a time.

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BJ says...
I thought squamosa was Sweetsop and Sugar Apple, reticulata is custard apple or bullocks heart/corazon. What we tend to call 'custard apple' here though is atemoya (squamosa x cherimola). The Mammoth types are fantastic fruit. The African Pride types (most of market) are great for pig feed...

The grafted guanabana that Daley's sell seems to flower very quickly. Mine is 2.5ft tall and has 10+ flowers, and more flower buds coming on. Not sure if its the best time for the flowers though, just as we hit winter...

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fruitist says...
The tiny Soursop fruitlets (after flower petals are discarded) can survive thru Brisbane winter. When Spring comes, the fruitlets will come alive and start to grow into fruits during Spring and Summer.

For bigger fruits, I think they will get shedded before Winter. Last week, I just lost one fruit which was about 0.5kg big. It was okay and still hard to the touch on Sunday and then on Tuesday, it was on the ground and the whole fruit has turned almost black in color.

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Xtrem says...
How Much Timee it Will Take To Give Fruit By Custard Apple ?
I Stay in India Gujarat

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Mike says...
There are lots of Annonnas called custard apples.Soursops,sugar apples,soncoya and ilama like it tropical ie latitude 24 and warmer, the hybrid atemoyas 17-30 and cherimoya about 25 and colder.Gefner is a self pollinating atemoya but all set better with hand pollination.Red and purple forms occur in a couple of species,

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fruitist says...
Mike, would you know anyone in FNQ growing Soncoya and Illama?

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Mike says...
Yes ID 0. Peter Salleras has a few new seedlings growing of Soncoya and I presume it is the white fleshed one.Colin Gray might have some.I don't know of any Ilamas but they should be around.I asked a chum to bring seeds to me when he returns from a meso-American adventure in a couple of months or so we'll see how we go. I will also try to get some of the 'sort of' sugar apple seeds from Thailand when my partner returns from there. They seem to be more 'cultivated' or have some atemoya or another annona genes perhaps.

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fruitist says...
Thnx for the info. Will raid PS place in the next few months. Is your chum from El Arish and now in NY? Best Illama are from Mexico.

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Mike says...
Peter copped it in the cyclone so I hope he still has them.I got some durians from Peter and I am hassling him for an Amber Jackfruit.No it is a Cairns person with instructions on trawling markets and the icon printouts.Oh yeah try Kerry McAvoy if you want other durian species that might be more cold resistant.

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fruitist says...
Illama seeds are very very hard to germinate even with GA3. I tried about 60 seeds so far without success. But I may have some grafted ones which appear to strike successfully. I gave my amber jackfruit seedling away a few years ago to my relation and I just happened to ask him yesterday thinking I might take some sciosn for grafting on my "Rajang" cousin. But my relation said it had died long ago.

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Mike says...
If you lightly crack the seed coat of some next time it might work.All annonas and allies seem to be variable in quality within species.
In terms of taste and flesh yield Amber Jackfruit is one of the best i have tried and Peter has another type just as good.

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fruitist says...
While I have your attention, do you know if Rudi still manages Exotic Groves? Is the place in Pawngilly? I want to buy a grafted yellow rumbutan and red one too from Rudi. Or, PS place or some other places sell grafted yellow and red varieites?

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Hi fruitist,
sure you know a lot of tricks about seed germination, but just in case you have not tried this one: You can also try to surface sterilise them in 10% Bleach solution for 10 or 15 minutes, then put them in a take away container filled with moderately moist fine vermiculite, close it with the lid and put the container inside near a window. Sterile conditions (almost) for many months, maintainance free. In that way my annonas (just the atemoyas, but very tricky, delayed ones) germinated after many months without fungal problems...

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Mike says...
I don't know, is he a philipino fellow who works there with his family for Dodds or is that the Woopen/Mena Creek nursery? I got 4 types (they have the best 10 or so) perfectly grafted(not marcotted) and advanced over a year ago delivered to to door from them.They are very hard to contact via the Dodds e-mail or by phone.
My 2 big durians snapped at the base from yasi,my marcotted small yellow rambutan was lying flat but the grafted R134,R167 and Ronrien stood proud.

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fruitist says...
Thanx the tip, I will tell that to the person who has a mature Illama tree bearing fruits in SE Qld. He has no luck with germinating seeds for the last few years. I gave him a packet of GA3 a few motnhs ago asking him to use that. He may have some successes already with his recently extracted seeds.

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Mike says...
oh yeah get some marcotted ones from Peter Salleras if you're going there, just let him prepare them in time.He has some R9s as well as the other classic reds

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Mike says...
oh yeah get some marcotted ones from Peter Salleras if you're going there, just let him prepare them in time.He has some R9s as well as the other classic reds

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fruitist says...
Rudi is from P. I thought the owners of the orchard are also from Phillippine. They export fruits to Japan by air. The Mena Creek sounds familiar. I was there for about 1.5 hours sharing some grafting tips of Rambutan. Do you know other places selling marcotted or grafted rambutans.

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fruitist says...
Mike, Read the Chiku thread, some thing for you.

Time: 13th June 2011 9:52am

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Does Trina still works with PS? Phone ending with 6217?

Time: 13th June 2011 9:54am

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Mike says...
yes she does and that is the number.After Rona,Larry and Yasi good durian and rambutans are just not available from anyone. It seems everone went through the wringer and is giving up or replanting themselves.I'll look at the Chiku thread

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Peter says...
Very interesting! Even for a person being in WA. Maybe the Illama seeds respond to smoke treatment (Species don't need to origin from fire-impact areas, even tropical species can respond to smoke treatment. Now they start to find the active molecules in smoke responsible for stimulation of germination and isolate them).
I wish there would be dedicated collectors of plant species in WA as well...Are there any WAfruitists around?

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fruitist says...
There used to be one about 8 years ago. He then moved to FNQ but may have moved back now. I just called his FNQ number and the number is invalid.

Time: 13th June 2011 1:15pm

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Just found his email and sent one off to see if he responds.

Time: 13th June 2011 1:25pm

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Mike says...
To germinate lotus it helps to drill a small hole that just goes gets through the testa.It is fiddley

Time: 13th June 2011 1:26pm

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fruitist says...
Scarification did work for nutty seeds. Some even peeled off coat of Durian seeds to geminate.

Time: 13th June 2011 1:30pm

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If anyone has been hanging out for them, Daley's has three of the new Tropic Sun atemoyas for sale today. It took me a day trip to Sydney to buy two of these not that long ago. They appear to be good vigerous growers at this stage.

Time: 14th June 2011 1:34pm

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amanda says...
My African Pride lost it's friend last winter (a pinks mammoth) Here is my little battler....has just been thru 11 days of around 40 oC and apart from a little bit of tip burning - has managed to hold onto all it's 13 fruit?

It's still flowering and the fruit, it has pollinated on it's own (and without it's "friend") It's inundated with couch..but otherwise watered well enough.

I was fully expecting it to die in this heatwave (and wasn't too bothered about that) It's been thru a lot here, in 5yrs! :D (less than 1.5m tall...lol!)

This is also the custard apple (annona) that is growing in Margaret River that I saw (and it fruit fine)...

Perhaps a bit tougher than we think?
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Nick says...
My custard apple is a very whippy grower so I pinched the tips but it hasn't made any new growth in quite a while, should I maybe have left the pruning for its dormant period?

Time: 2nd February 2012 9:02pm

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grub says...
hi amanda ,i think your correct about them tougher than we think there's some good size trees in gelorup and donybrook here in the south.
that iv'e have seen and i get eat the ones from gelorup

Time: 2nd February 2012 9:09pm

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amanda says...
I agree grub! The Margaret River one's were big too! Who would have thought they could grow there...
A nice sloping orchard tho..and right on the River...gorgeous loam. Donnybrook is even more surprising grub!? It gets damn cold there?

Have seen some lovely (and finicky) fruit trees growing around the Bunbury area too...Gelorup, Leshenault etc..

Nick - I would start a new thread called Pruning custard apples maybe? (or do a search?) I haven't found mine easy to prune either...and u will need to be more careful of fungal problems in Vic maybe?

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grub says...
hi amanda
i did keep the seeds from the gelorup custard apple so im keen to put them in and see what happens
your right about donnybrook being cold
but i have seen huge avacado trees plus custard apples and a small paw paw growing in the open.and she had a nice dragon fruit aswell..

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amanda says...
Gee that's helpful info grub :) I must admit I am always rubbernecking when I am travelling in WA...just to see what can grow where?
Many folk ask if they can grow certain plants in the southern climates....Donnybrook gets frost doesn't it? It would be interesting to check out it's minimum winter temps for last few years.
Good idead to keep the seeds :)

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grub says...
heres donnybrook min for this year from april to december -0.2 -1.2 -2.5 -3.0 -2.6 -2.2 -0.5 0.4 1.7 yes they plenty of frosts no as many this year as last year

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Nick, my African pride cv's were very whippy in their first year also. I waited till they went dormant then pruned them quite hard to get some strength into the main framework. I pruned off a lot of height then pruned all the lateral branches off within 8" of the main stem. Now in their third year they have a very strong backbone and laterals.

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amanda says...
grub....do u have contact with the c/apple grower in d/brook? They may have some tips for SW WA perhaps?

Time: 4th February 2012 11:14pm

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grub says...
yes i purchase fruit from there daughter when i go through
ill quiz them next time i go passed
he use to work for csiro and has some finger limes that havnt be released to the public yet

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amanda says...
Sounds interesting grub :) He might be able to tell u if it is a named variety of custard apple (and u might be able to graft it one day too.. :)

Time: 5th February 2012 12:54pm

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grub says...
hi amanda i caught up with vince but he didnt know the name of the custard apple ..he also showed me there paw paw in flower and a mango tree loaded with mangoes .the custad apple tree is about 4 meters high .and the walnut trees even bigger .

Time: 25th February 2012 6:06pm

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amanda says...
Wow...paw paw and mangoe in Donnybrook!? That's interesting grub..

Time: 25th February 2012 8:35pm

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Mike says...
I sent some pictures of an apparent rogue red fruiting atemoya seedling tree to some people on the forum.By all accounts it is something out of the ordinary in many respects.I have just weaseled 4 seeds of it along a tenuous line of connections.

Time: 25th February 2012 8:44pm

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MaryT says...
How exciting Mike! Good luck with the seedlings - how long would it take before you see fruit?

Time: 25th February 2012 8:54pm

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Mike says...
If they germinate I will keep one and it will be on a rapid development program.My sugar apples took 2 years so 3 and a bit might be possible.I just hope it turns out like the picture of the parent, or at least has fruit like it.

Time: 25th February 2012 9:03pm

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peter says...
hi mike
i have a purple sugar apple growing,
is the one youve mentioned red fleshed
or red skinned.
there is also a red fleshed cherimoya
named selma.

Time: 25th February 2012 9:14pm

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John Mc says...
That reminds me of a I did a job down at Brooklyn a couple of years ago with a large Atemoya tree in the backyard. They claimed it to be a large red fruiting variety, I never gave it a second thought. Looks like I might have to go down and take a closer look. I just assumed that red atemoyas were as common as red A. squamosa, apparently not.

Time: 25th February 2012 9:22pm

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Mike says...
Peter it is red skinned with white flesh and I don't have the photo here, only on my work system but sent it to a few people from the forum for ID and out of interest.Maybe someone can post it if they have the shot at their fingertips.It looks sort of like an ilama x cherimoya and is brighter red than any bullocks heart or red sugar apple.

Time: 25th February 2012 9:23pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Well done Mike for getting some special seeds of red cherimoya.
Good luck John Mc.


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Time: 25th February 2012 9:34pm

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Mike says...
Thanks jujube but that is the red sugar apple rather that the other red custard apple.That is the one you bought in mossman I think, the one I mean was a second photo that I sent you in sunlight.

Time: 25th February 2012 9:38pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Oops sorry Mike. I just posted the right one.

Time: 25th February 2012 9:39pm

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Mike says...
Thanks jujube that is it.The seeds followed a path of links to me that can't easily be retraced.Your little fruit trees are growing wellby the way.

Time: 25th February 2012 9:46pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Many thanks Mike for looking after my little fruit trees. I am very much appreciated. Hopefully I will be able to pick them up soon.

Time: 25th February 2012 9:49pm

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Mike says...
Jujube they'll be right here waiting for you unless I come down there.

As far as the custard apple goes I have had the finest Annona brains on the case but still have no id.The information about it was sketchy, only that it is a seedling in an Edmonton backyard and it is supposed to be better tasting than other custard apples.

Time: 25th February 2012 10:05pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
You are very generous as usual Mike. We will probably drive there soon. We will let you know in advance.

It does not matter whether it is a seedling or not. If the red cherimoya tastes good go for it. How exciting to discover a rare tree in your neighborhood.

Time: 26th February 2012 7:34am

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Mike says...
Jujube yes it is exciting and now the seeds have to come up.Annona seeds can take a while to germinate and don't always have a good success rate.From the photo perhaps it is not an ilama or atemoya.In spite of growing in Cairns its shape could be more like a cherimoya.

Time: 26th February 2012 4:11pm

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peter says...
john mc
yes red ones are rare, it would be well
worthwhile for a trip back to broocklyn
to check, may even be fruiting now.

mike
doesnt matter if its custard apple or cherimoya, still a good find.
ddid you plant those four seeds
pointy end up.
not too long ago i germinated lots of
cherimoya seeds that john mc sent me.
(thanks again john.)
i found that a good portion of them were
decapitating themselves trying to pull
their leaves out of a hole on the pointy end of the seed so i helped them along by carefully cutting open the
seed and drawing the leaves out.
on another note i have some of your
snake beans just about ready for harvest.




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Mike says...
Thanks for the tip Peter and as I planted them yesterday I will dig them and position them properly.The photo came to me to identify the fruit as the last in a line who couldn'tput a name on it.The owners were surprised how it turned out and apparently the fruit was of exceptional quality.Iwould not be surprised if it was grown from an atemoya seed and threw more to the cherimoya parent and the red is just a mutation.

I suppose it was the pale green snake beans rather the tigers that grew.They are a summer crop so keep 1 or 2 pods for spring.

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peter says...
yes the pale green ones, is it normal
for some stalks to have two beans
growing on the ends of them.
the other beans are also growing well
but no beans yet. i have them all
in an aquaponics system.

Time: 26th February 2012 9:05pm

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Mike says...
peter,the flower stalks often have 2 advanced beans followed by a second flowering of 1-4 a few weeks later.There should be alot in the next 4 weeks and then they'll be 'hasbeans' once there is cooler weather.

Time: 26th February 2012 9:12pm

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Mike says...
I have bad news on the red custard apple.Some skin of the fruit made its way to me and I found out the photo was not an actual picture of the fruit itself as I was led to believe, but was plucked from the web.The skin was clearly from the common garden variety, red sugar apple.

Time: 28th February 2012 6:46pm

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MaryT says...
That's too bad, Mike! But the photo means the fruit is out there, just not your friend's ?

Time: 28th February 2012 8:03pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Thanks for letting us know Mike. Let hope that there will be another chance to find this special fruit again.

Time: 28th February 2012 8:20pm

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Mike says...
Jujube I got a bit carried away when I saw the picture and was told it was authentic as I'd never even seen a custardapple like that.The first photo of the kampong mauve was correct.

Time: 28th February 2012 8:29pm

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VF says...
Do all Annonaceae need pruning now? I have atemoya, cherimoya and soursop, all with some new growth appearing where leaves have been deciduous - all plants are between 6-10 months, and I don't want to stuff up when they're this young. (I'm in se qld if that helps.)

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Vicky88 says...
I planted custard apple seeds & this plant grew. It doesn't look like other custard apple trees as the leafs are small. Does anyone know if it really is custard apple?

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jon says...
It does not look like a custurd apple too me. Could you have planted other seeds in the same area?

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Mike says...
It is not an edible custard apple of any type.

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Vicky88 says...
I didn't plant any other seeds it the pot. Just custard apple seeds & a few of these trees grew that all look the same. May it be maybe a wild custard apple? The tree looks similar to these trees on nature strips the council plants but they are 1 kilometer away.

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Jason says...
No clue what it is but you can be sure it makes a small mobile seed of some kind if its ended up in your pot

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Kam says...
Hi
What is in my fruits from my African Pride tree? All the fruits are of good size and look nice but when cut open the wonly white flesh is between the seeds and on inside of fruit just under the fruit. The rest of the fruit brown crust around the seeds. A friend of mine told me that the tree is lacking in trace element, Boron. I did not have this problem when the tree started fruiting. Last year less than a handful of them affected but this year all of them.

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Markmelb says...
Can anyone identify this atemoya JohnMc?
I purchased this as an Annona but saw this one was alot different - had a Tag - Bingera Pride on it and is getting darker as it ripens - is it something else? thought would be of interest - looks dark bluish under natural light with greenish tinges between carpels :)
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allybanana says...
I in the absence of the MC I am stealing annona act.

I suspect Bingera is a locality near Bundburg rather than variety. I have seen the fruits go black before as they ripen, I am not sure, it may be that the fruits were stored to cold and the black is from damaged cells in the skin and this cold sometimes also damages the ripening process. It may also be that the fruit was picked too green and so the skin gets old and dark before the flesh ripens.

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Markmelb says...
Hi Ally - anyone can reply - good thoughts but others in same box were normal looking Annona colour - this one darker bluish - yes Bingera is a locality up north close to Budaberg called South Bingera in google maps - lobes were slightly different to others too in box - cheers :)

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JohnMc1 says...
There could be two possibilities, firstly, it was picked far too early and has gone black like they do, only in the eating will tell, and the amount of mature seeds.
Secondly, they may have found a "sport" branch coming off an African Pride tree with different fruit hanging on it and have decided it worth propagating, hence the name "Bingera Pride". My money is on the first suggestion.
I have a variety called Late Gold, but it only has a bronze tinge when ripe. Let us know what it's like when ripe.


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Mike says...
JohnMc1 is your Late Gold a self poll. variety

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sternus1 says...
That is not a custard apple, nor is it an annonacea of any description. I am not sure what it is, but if I had to guess, I would say it is some kind of solanum.

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Markmelb says...
mmmm? Maybe its a new Eggplant - Custard Apple cross - well it looks like a CA - Smells like a CA - Feels like a CA - Glad i didnt step on it - LOL - It was defintely lobed and had a sticker on it Bingera Pride - wasnt next to the eggplant box either - It was slightly bluer than normal colour but kept getting darker - will keep all informed once ripe and eaten - will save seed too :)

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Waterfall says...
I bought 2 custard apples from woolies last week and one of them went black like this but never went soft. Eventually I got sick of waiting and ate it firm, it was not very nice at all.

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Markmelb says...
your probably correct W - if not softening in a couple days will take back for another - still have reciept :(

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JohnMc1 says...
It looks like Sternus' account might have been compromised, you OK there buddy?


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Linton says...
Attention Mark:

It's not quite clear. Is the tag showing "Bingera Pride" only on this blue coloured one, or did all the custard apples in the box have this label? Please advise.

Time: 24th May 2015 7:03pm

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Markmelb says...
Hi Linton - there were a couple others in the box with Bingera Pride tag but not all that happens in most boxes observed
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Time: 24th May 2015 7:18pm

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sternus1 says...
It's still me John.

My Yoda on DMT handle wasn't logging in, so I tried my old login details and voila, I am once again sternus. Swings and roundabouts.

If you get back to me before tomorrow I can send you some selenicereus setaceous seeds (red 'megalanthus' dragonfruit).

Same goes for you Linton.

Time: 24th May 2015 8:56pm

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Markmelb says...
Update on Blue Cust Apple - Waterall took your advice and diddnt cut so took back and all the rest in box wernt sold ether as they had done the same so I traded in for an extra $2 got a really nice red pawpaw - found a nice what was supposed to be a Pinks mammoth at a different grocer but with carpels that were flat and different to the rest but ripening more correctly so not sure if a cherimoya got in amongst the others?
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Time: 30th May 2015 9:58pm

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Waterfall says...
I went to Cabramatta this week and picked up a bunch of tropical fruit including what looked more like a cherimoya than a custard apple, the carpels were flat. My wife made ice cream with the largest one, no sugar was added and it tasted fantastic!

Time: 30th May 2015 10:34pm

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Markmelb says...
W - so do you think it tasted creamier and superior to the bumpy carpel CAs?
Hoping for same with mine too? Let you know tomorrow - actually cant wait to try a Sugar Apple and Rollina too :)

Time: 30th May 2015 10:46pm

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Waterfall says...
I would say less of the grainy texture you get sometimes and more of that smooth texture you get around the seeds continuing right up to the skin.

I have eaten some fantastic custard apples too, a large one we picked up in the farmers market at Byron Bay comes to mind.

Time: 31st May 2015 10:44am

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Asimili says...
I wish people stuck to the specific names of 'cherimoya' and 'attemoya' rather than custard apple which can mean anything to someone else. Apart from the sheer dopeyness of the English attaching 'apple' to everthing would it be better to admit that the fruit world is not all variations of apple.

Time: 31st May 2015 11:15am

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Asimili says...
In line with the tendency to use apple in the names of unrelated fruit and its failure of imagination,I now offer a transport dictionary ....ship to be called 'watercar'...aeroplane is now 'aircar' . bicycle is 'pedalcar' Bus is to be called 'omnicar' You like?

Time: 31st May 2015 11:23am

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Markmelb says...
Lets not get pedantic Asimili? Maybe we should all converse in Latin? As most of english is derived from it.

Time: 31st May 2015 11:38am

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Asimili says...
We do converse in Latin as most of English is derived from it. (who said that?)

Time: 31st May 2015 3:11pm

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Markmelb says...
Asimili - Haec qualia tibi esse plantarum magis quam loqui de inuendo - there you go - the last word is same in both :)

Time: 31st May 2015 3:20pm

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Markmelb says...
Waterfall - the supposed Pinks Mammoth was had after lunch and wasnt that great - was slightly different to othe Annona eaten this year - no idea if t was a cherimoya at all - had a slight lemony background tast - was only slightly gritty and not so nice close to skin - will keep eyes open for more in coming weeks.

Time: 31st May 2015 3:26pm

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sternus1 says...
English is only partly derived from latin, most of English is saxonic. Latinate words tend to be heavy on vowels and end in ous.

Words like sky, skirt, skate, indeed anything with 'ska' sonics are actually norse in origin and found there way into English owing the viking occupation of Britain which is sometimes referred to as the anglo-scandinavian empire.

In fact if you have a long British lineage you are as likely as not to have viking blood somewhere along the line. I used to study with a guy who is the son of British lord (yes, for real) and his family are descended from the vikings that were given title in York. He had been partially disinherited by his father for having got a tattoo, so apparently his younger brother gets the bindle when the old boy kicks the bucket.

Time: 31st May 2015 4:32pm

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MIke T1 says...
Here is a pinks mammoth I had last week.The cherimoya scales show more on some than others.Annona reticulata is the custard apple of the US and we use it for sugar apple and atemoya.
If we get caught up in the stupidity of language and the naming of trees and fruit,it will be a never ending thread.
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Time: 31st May 2015 6:06pm

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ivepeters says...
An apple by any other names, tastes as good.

Time: 31st May 2015 6:30pm

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sternus1 says...
All monkey and no sausage makes for a bitter pickle.

Time: 31st May 2015 7:55pm

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Asimili says...
Sternus , i marvel at your encyclopedic knowledge .....even when it is wrong ha ha . the Anglo Saxons came across the channel in the third century in multiple waves pushing the Celts into what is now Wales. Yes, there are Viking place names but they did not contribute the bulk of the A-S words.

Time: 1st June 2015 5:53pm

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Asimili says...
Just imagine the mind set of someone who ,on seeing a pineapple for the first time, does not ask the locals "Hey what do you call that?" but instead reaches for an apple analogy and comes up with pineapple . Clearly a parochial, unimaginative fellow.

Time: 1st June 2015 5:56pm

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Markmelb says...
The following was extracted from http://bijlmakers.com/agriculture/fruits-for-beginners/

Me --
Maybe what they say may be correct that these fruits taste as good as an Apple - known to have corrupted Adam as the forbidden fruit and both taste pretty darned good as fruits go :)

Website Link Above --
Apples are among the most popular fruits in the world. They usually grow in cooler climates. The word "apple" is also used in the names of other fruits, such as pineapple and custardapple, but these are not real apples. A famous saying is "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", because apples and many other fruits are good for your health. Apples play an important part in some fairytales, for example the poisoned apple that was given to Snow White. And the "forbidden fruit" in the garden of Eden was perhaps also an apple.

PS - Asimili - can you put up on your Edibles page photos of plants you grow just to show you actually grow stuff too not just comment???

Time: 1st June 2015 6:18pm

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NurseAllen says...
What variety of Atemoya is this? Please help! Wanting to make some scion grafts out of the tree.

Thank you in advance.
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NurseAllen says...
What variety of Atemoya is this? Please help! Wanting to make some scion grafts out of the tree.

Thank you in advance.
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allybanana says...
Fruit, flower and leaf look like African Pride but realistically it could be any number of varieties or unnamed seedlings.

Time: 22nd October 2016 11:36pm

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Markmelb says...
We have had a month of record Sub tropical temperatures running till now with a good Tropical Rain today which has definitely helped my Paxton Prolific Atemoya at 37.8136
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Time: 20th March 2017 9:05am

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Linton says...
These look fantastic. Can anyone please advise where I can buy a Paxtons Prolific Custard Apple tree like in those pictures. I need to find a supplier who can send it to me in Melbourne. Thank you.

Time: 21st March 2017 6:22pm

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Waterfall says...
Hi Linton,

I would be happy to send you some scions of my paxton prolific if that helps?

Time: 22nd March 2017 8:53am

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Linton says...
Thanks for the offer of some scions but currently I have nothing I could graft them on to. Would prefer a ready made plant so still in the process of trying to track one down before considering other options. Cheers!

Time: 24th March 2017 2:12pm

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David says...
Hi Linton,
You can get the Paxtons prolific tree from Perrys fruit & nuts nursery (08 83830268) in Adelaide. But they sale it at premium price

Time: 23rd October 2017 5:52pm

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Linton says...
Thanks for the suggestion. Had already tried Perry's.....but no, can't.

Time: 25th October 2017 6:37pm

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