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kert starts with ...
Has anyone eaten or even seen the Red Bayberry (Myrica rubra). This seems to be a really worthwhile fruit ,tasty,salt tolerant, nitrogen fixing, soil stabilising etc. The University of Queensland sent some intrepid horticulturalists to China and they produce a glowing report ;and then it died. Why have the plants collected at public expense not been released to be sold?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
There are some seed available for sale on eBay Kert, an Australian seller too. Don't beat me to 'em!
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Jantina says...
They certainly sound interesting (googled them). Good to know they are already in Oz. I found them at Marco Polo Plants in Holland but so much easier to buy them here if available.Hope there are some left for me.
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kert says...
Phil, I bought them a year ago and despite care, they did not germinate. The Univ of Queensland report seemed to say that there is a big difference between elite varieties and others.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
OK thanks for the tip - I imagine there are better varieties of most of our favourite plants still lurking in the wild awaiting discovery. Do you have a link to the report?
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kert says...
If you google Univ. of Queensland and Bayberry it will come up near the top. What pisses me off majorly is they will not release the plants even though they ,evidently, are doing nothing with them.Something similar ocurred with Asimina triloba cultivars imported by the CSIRO . Having propagated hundreds and finding no market niche for the fruit they literally tossed them out.
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Violet_Cactus says...
I have been trying to germinate these for years. I keep buying seeds on eBay. So far no luck getting them to sprout, despite stratifying them.
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Jantina says...
Oh well I,ve bought them now so nothing to do but give it my best shot.
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amanda says...
Voilet - why not go to the source? How do the Chinese germinate them - or - how do they germinate in the wild?

Kert - that's sad news - why can't they offer them to specialists like Daleys or such?
Sometimes u have to be a squeaky wheel to be heard...have u spoken to these guys? How do u know this stuff?

It might sound silly - but maybe there should be some kind of public release/gazette of cultivars before they are destroyed - CSIRO is tax payer funded after all, and therefore accountable.
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kert says...
All this illustrates the profligacy and rigidities of government enterprises. Only they can afford the 30,000 dollars minimum to bring a new plant through quarantine and then they act with indifference to the wider implications . The Americans have an ironic saying "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you".
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Jantina says...
Very frustrating, in the book Tree Crops there were incidences of similar things that have happened in America. We have a branch of the CSIRO here. Maybe it's time to infiltrate. I will post results of my efforts.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I was fortunate to get hold of some improved Asimina seed a couple of years ago, parent plants were Pa Golden, Susquehanah, Alegheny and Shennendoah - seed is always a gamble but have around 25 three year old seedlings in the ground. I think I have enough winter chill here for them to do well - the research facility in the US where I obtained them is now closed to the public, worse luck..
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denise says...
Last year I got red bayberry seeds from sheffields (USA) and cold stratified them.None sprouted.This year I willtry filing them and growing them in quite hot conditions and in a rough grainy seedmix. In the wild they grow on sunny hillslopes with coarse soils and most probably not completely covered with soil.I have bought a fully enclosed and bottom heated seed raising chamber for them. Previously the NZ govt has done huge import and research project and after 7 or so years gone and bulldozed them all. It is important for some RFCA dignitary to befriend a scientist to get access to these plants.
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kert says...
Please, Miss, what is RFCA?
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Brad says...
I'm guessing, Rare Fruit Council of Australia
http://rarefruitaustralia.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5
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Jantina says...
Finally got around to ringing CSIRO yesterday. They told me that they are partially Gov. funded and partially private. I asked how that works and they said that private companies sometimes employ the CSIRO to do research for them ,as in the Quandong plantation near here and maybe the Myrica Rubra kert is asking about. The girl didn't know about the planting kert talks about but she gave me an email address - enquiries@csiro.au
and I've emailed them. There is also a website www.csiro.au where you can look things up.
If and when I get an answer to my email I'll post it.
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kert says...
Jantina, my original post said the University of Queensland was sitting on Myrica rubra not the CSIRO. Then I mentioned something similar happened with Asimina triloba and the CSIRO facility in Victoria. After a long wait they threw out the cultivars when a commercial prospect appeared unlikely
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denise says...
Our local asian supermarket stocked yangmei=red bayberry, preserved in glass jars.Sold out at the moment but they also have mayhaws in the same range.The quality is good.they also have dried waxberry=red bayberry, but has some spicy taste added,not really good past trying it once.
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Jantina says...
Whoops , that explains why she had no info on the QLD plantation kert!
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phronima says...
Well, my mum showed off some bayberry (yangmei) fruits she plucked off a tree in inner west sydney last night. Can Myrica rubra be propagated via cuttings?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
None of the seeds I planted from the eBay source germinated worse luck, would be interesting to try them from cuttings.
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Miranda says...
Hi Phronima

you can view the following website for propagation information for 杨梅

http://yuanlin.chla.com.cn/html/c119/2009-11/45616.html

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MaryT says...
Phronima if you are successful in propagating the Yangmei I would be interested in getting a piece, please.
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kert says...
None of my bayberry germinated ,either ;this was my second consignment. Is it paranoid to suggest they are scamming us ;sending,say,boiled seed.
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amanda says...
That's interesting Phil/kert I wonder if they are a bit like Acerola cherries in that regard - they have a very poor germination rate too - there must be hundreds of seeds under the mulch for my tree, and not one has ever germinated. Apparently cuttings only way to go for them too.
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phronima says...
I got mum to take me to see the specimen. Unfortunately it isn't myrica, but arbutus spp - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbutus; the leaves are much smaller and serrated. Bit disappointing, but still an interesting find. I'd be interested to find out if there are indeed any fruting myrica rubra specimens in Aus
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Wenny says...
Hi, Kert, Could you give me some of your jujube tree cutting? My email is LHY196703@hotmail.com,Thanks a lot.
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kert says...
Sure . Are you planning to graft?
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denise says...
Two weeks ago I went north to visit tropical fruit gardens and took packets of dried bayberry as gifts. One recipient cut a seed and found it to be alive whereas previously all packets had dead seeds. I have already sown them, but if you want to try your luck at an asian store they are in a shiny coloured packet brand name Shunbao. dont go too far out of your way as it is a long shot. I too have tried to germinate bought seed several times. This time I have cut the tip off the end of the seeds to let the water in. Be carefull not too cut too far and into the seed. If you can cut a few in half you will see if they are alive. If alive they will be pure white.
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Jantina says...
Thanks for the tip Denise.
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fruitist says...
A few years ago, one person in USA germinated some seeds from some of those packets. I also sent some seeds to people in Brazil. Don't know how they went. I might try it myself.
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YC says...
I tried planting M Rubra from seeds last year. The seeds I got from China (from fresh fruit) did not sprout in the same year, even if I cold stratified them in the refrigerator. But seeds planted in the ground or in pots last year started to sprout this spring. At least to my limited experience it seems like natural stratification works better than artificial stratification. I got about 20% germination rate, and have 5 seedlings slowly but healthily growing in my yard. The seedlings are quite easy to keep, resistant to insects or diseases.
I am not sure about Ebay seeds, though. If these seeds were not well kept or have been sitting around for too long they might have lost viability.
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Dave says...
Yeah M Rubra is a tricky one. it has a short term seed viability. I'll be in Taiwan in 6 weeks so i'll see what I can do finding out how they propagate them.
You may find this thread interesting also I had bookmarked a while back:
http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/forum/201072521.html
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YC says...
The Chinese sow seeds in late fall, cover the bed with plastic sheet, then by next Feburary they raise the sheet once seedlings start to come out. That's what I read from Chinese websites, and it seems to match very well with my experience.
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Michael says...
Hi YC,

Do you have any available seedlings that you have for sale? Can I purchase one of them? My email is michsu@hotmail.com

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AG says...
I have been hunting around for Myrica Rubra plants for over a year. Sowed almost 20 seeds - none germinated. If anyone has ideas - let me know.

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YC says...
I haven't heard of any success with the ebay seeds. Makes me wonder if those seeds are good or not. According to what I read, seeds can be planted fresh from ripe fruit (in June or July), which may give you seedlings right away, or planted in fall for winter stratification. Germination rate is 10% to 90% depending on what variety it's from. I will find out next spring if the seeds I ordered from China are good or not. There's lots of information (including nice video clips) on M Rubra cultivation in Chinese, if you cannot read Chinese I may be able to help answer some of your questions.
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YC says...
BTW, here in the picture is one of my M Rubra seedlings maybe a few days after emerging from the ground.
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And another picture taken 2 months ago
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Wenny says...
Hi, Kert,could you send an email to me please? So we can contact via email about jujube. I'm looking forward to hearing from you. My email is LHY196703@hotmail.com,Thank you .
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rhonda says...
Amazing!! i recognised the red bayberry seedlings that have popped up in my Coco Peat , from your pictures. They are 2 years old and have sat doing nothing since then but now have sprouted.
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Nick says...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/30-Fresh-BAYBERRY-Fruit-Seeds-Germination-90-/170658800750?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bc0ea46e Is this where everyone has bought their seeds off?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Mine came from a grower in South Australia
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AG says...
Nope - got mine from Ebay UK. anyone here bought from those guys? I got it from them for the free shippping.
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AG says...
Hi Jantina - i tried contacting Marco Polo months back but never heard back from them. How long ago was your contact with them?
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Nick says...
Thats good, Ive emailed the women from ebay and hopefully because shes from singapore she'll have some advice on germination!
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Nick says...
She said to "not use water, but to use moist soil combined with a little of compost (i.e. fertilizer). Put the seed and soil in a tray or household bowl or plate. Cover it with a sheet of clear plastic and place the tray/bowl/plate on your window sill where it can get some sunlight. Wait for 7-10 days and you should see it germinate". Does this help at all?
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PM says...
Found a paper by UQ at Gatton for the Aust Gov on the Red Bayberry's viability as a commercial plant. The suggested growing ares of Nambour, Darwin, Alstonville and Innisfail were identified. https://rirdc.infoservices.com.au/downloads/05-081
I have 30 seeds arriving soon. This all started last night while I was at the in-law's house in Hangzhou, China. It was a first time taste and I made a glutten of myself, the taste is very nice.
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Julie says...
Germination info - sounds tricky.

http://www.cabdirect.org/abstracts/20013038115.html
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Nick T says...
I just received some seeds (thanks Jantina!), do you think the stratification order could be reversed ie. cold stratification followed by warm stratification? I also carefully cracked open the hard "shell" to speed up germination a bit, quite a lot of the seeds turned out to be mouldy!
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denise1 says...
Mouldy seeds are a common problem for storing or posting of seeds. I found that wrapping with dry paper towels will soak up any sweating of the seeds. Damp paper towels will often cause worse mould than for seeds alone. Some dry vermiculite is often used for seed packaging. The quarantine people often accept that, but sometimes they suspect it is harbouring some mould and they are not happy. So dry paper towels are best. Some shortlived seeds such as jakfruit are a bit tricky, but I would go for dry for them too.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Jantina,

Many thanks for your kindness and generosity, I received the seeds today. I will look after them carefully.

Lucy.
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Natalie1 says...
Hi Jantina Natalie from NZ here the seeds arrived the other day thanks so much
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John Mc says...
Likewise, seeds landed here safely, thank you very much.
Now the fun begins, if anyone has any success, can we hear about it? and how it was done?
I'm removing all the hard wax coating manually for a start to expose a very hard Macadamia type shell on all but a few. I'm also going to expose some of the endosperm somehow, probably sandpaper like I did on the lotus seed,on some as well. Anything else to try? I believe they have been stratified.
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MaryT says...
From what I read they need warm and cold stratification. They are also dioecious; male and females like paw paws.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Welcome back Mary!

I did the same way as John Mc 's method and planted most of them last night and afterward I watered the seeds with a bit anti-fungus solution just to make sure the seeds won't be rotten in the jiff peat pellets and finger crossed.
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Linton says...
What means dioecious?

Regarding the above comment, does dioecious mean that the plant produces both male and female flowers on the same plant or do you need 2 plants - a male and a female plant? Sorry, but it's not clear.
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MaryT says...
Hi Linton- yes, it's been mentioned on many sites online that the bayberry is dioecious - "楊梅樹乃雌雄異株", meaning that you have male trees and female trees and you wouldn't know what you have until it flowers. Pollination is by wind so you need them near each other.

For those of you who read Chinese, this blog is quite amusing and informative:

"楊梅。教室前面有2棵楊梅樹,楊梅雌雄異株,葉有點倒卵形,面對教室左邊是雄株,目前開花是柔荑花序的公花。有一首雌雄異株的打油師,也可以適用在楊梅,(台語)公花母花不同欉,母花圓圓親像球,公花長長親像蟲,花開讓風作媒人,花粉隨風入洞房。這裡面說明了它是雌雄異株,說明了公、母花的情形,以及說明了它是風媒花。它沒有香味,引不起昆蟲的食慾,所以通常小而不起眼的花,是風媒花。如果植物學家看植物,沒看它開花,跟你說是公的,鐵定是吹牛,一定要開過花,才知道公、母。楊梅是合果(構樹不是合果),中間有硬硬的種子,外面是多曩體包圍,密生在一起。楊梅又叫樹梅,是最好的肥料木之一,它有固氮作用,像大豆、相思樹,會把空氣中的氮,固在土壤裡,而轉換成肥料。4月結果,所以這時候開花,為什麼叫楊梅,與李時珍有關,本草綱目裡寫道;其外形如木楊子,味似梅,故名楊梅,什麼是木楊子,那是產在中國的植物,所以不知道。有一個特別現象,在墾丁的林業試驗所,門口本來種的是雄株,過了幾年,變成雌株,植物可以直接變性,人類就要人工開刀了,有些動物也有此情形,像蜥蝪,木瓜也有此例。
楊梅另一個打油詩:月桃開花顛倒吊,樹梅開花半瞑消,別人的阿娘仔美又嬌,我的阿娘仔醜又ㄏ一ㄠˊ,詩裡的樹梅指的是雌株,大部份雌株開花在半夜,早晨就掉落,要看到雌花較難。"
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Julie says...
Jantina, the seeds arrived yesterday. Very generous amount! Sorry I couldn't be as generous with the Seville seeds, but you know why that is.

Thank you.
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Linton says...
Dioecious.

Hi Mary, does this mean you also need 2 trees for Paw Paws too and how do you tell them apart? How about grafted ones, do they produce fruit on their own? Thanks.
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denise1 says...
It will be a long time for yang mei cultivars to become available in Australia or New Zealand. It would be rare to have a self pollenating variety. Heres hoping for some seedlings out of the recent imports.
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Julie says...
Jantina, have the seeds you sent already been stratified? Denise said hers have, but you may have bought them from a different supplier.

Would love to sow them in a warm spot, but I'll have to be patient if they need stratification.
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BJ says...
Linton, for Papaya, you can get bisexuals or solos, eliminating the need for male and female plants. The male flowers are on long stalks and females are shorter and held tightly in axils. Bisexuals have m and f parts. For bayberry, I've read/heard that you need 1 male per 8 trees for good pollination in a farm type setting. You can also graft part of a male onto a female tree. Before Birdwood canned their project they were planning to do that.
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MaryT says...
Hi Linton, I tried to reply to you but had trouble submitting my comment. It looks like you have your answer from BJ and Denise1 already.

Some interesting notes from Chinese sites: the trees are nitrogen fixing and thus make good mulch. The female flowers are insignificant, unscented, opens at night and drops by morning so they are hard to spot. The trees like slightly acidic soil. They don't like wet feet and would be happy planted on a slope. The fruit is fragrant and would attract birds.
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Julie, Jantinas seed are from the same batch of the same supplier. I looked at the weather patterns for the area the seeds are from. They have a similar temperature compared to Auckland , but a few degrees cooler in winter--quite moderate. However the rainfall is very dry in winter and very wet in summer. Other subtle factors may apply such as total sunlight hours, daylength etc
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MaryT says...
Hi denise1, they would tolerate snow but branches can break under its weight so the advice is to shake the snow off the tree before it becomes too heavy. Also they should be harvested on a clear day before heavy summer rain.
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Julie says...
Thanks denise, but I'm still unclear. Are you saying they have been naturally stratified - not refrigerated?

I've put them in the fridge till I'm sure of what they need.
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denise1 says...
My red bayberry seeds are pre stratified the same as Jantinas. They were stratified in a fridge . They are fresh seeds- I opened one and it was very much alive. The literature suggests a term of cold stratifying followed by warm stratifying. So I have sown them into trays on a heatboard and wait for them to wake up. I suppose they will sit for a number of weeks. It may not do seeds any good sitting in the fridge too long. I highly recommend using a heatboard. If not then a sunny window or similar.
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Bayberry seeds - should the shell be cracked open?

Please let me know if the hard shell should be cracked open before planting. Some people seems to be doing this while others are not.

If it's not opened, I think that the seed kernel inside the shell may have difficulty to become moistened and germinate and the new shoot may also have trouble to break through the shell.

On the other hand it might be better not to disturb the inside part. Quite often people put a small nick in the outer seed shell like with avocados to allow the moisture to penetrate.
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The bayberry seeds had completed a term in cold stratification only, and that is all that is necessary according to the common practice in the area the seeds are from. I put them in a peat based sterilized seed raising mix. I water them with warm water and they are on heatboards. I guess the hard seed shells will soften and split into two when the seeds are ready to sprout. I will introduce some microflora when they sprout.
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John Mc says...
Linton, Macadamia nuts will germinate where they lay from recent last season's crop, and you know how hard their shells are. I'm doing similar to Denise, whereby the seeds and some moist cococoir are wrapped up in a plastic bag and kept on a heated gro tray. Doing this I can check if there is any germination at any time without too much disturbance.
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Linton says...
Heatboards - thanks for the information. Yes, I have a a heated gro-tray too. Can you tell me what temperature you both have it set to for the Bayberry seeds.
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I have mine set on 25
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Julie says...
denise, I'm interested in the microflora you mention. Could you elaborate please?

I'll put them on the propagating mat tomorrow - if I can find room!
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At NZ nurseries there is a locally prepared native mycorrhyza called trichoderma that can be dissolved in water or the powder/granules sprinkled on the soil of a plant requiring it. They are very dainty little toadstools and as well as being beneficial directly- they also tend to repel bad fungi. They are most effective when applied as soon as being potted up the first time. You could try applying some soil from around the roots of a healthy clover or other legumes.
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Jantina says...
Hi Everyone,our satellite dish died mid seed distribution and only got fixed today, good 'ol activ8 who would have thought they organise their service from the Philipines! I'm not happy with their service I can tell you!
Anyway now to read all the backlogged emails, I still have seed for those later requests and will post tomorrow.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Yes Jantina, you were surprisingly absent at the height of the frenzy... thanks again for your generosity.
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Violet Cactus says...
I received my Myrica seeds today - THANK YOU Jantina! I haven't been on the Daleys Forum for quite a while and have been reading the backlog. It's good to see so many familar names (Hi Jujube!) and I was interested to read how everyone else is going about propagating their Myrica.
Has anyone's sprouted yet?
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Violet Cactus,

How are you? Good luck to your seeds. I removed the shells and planted straight away and nothing happen yet? finger crossed.
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asder says...
Sorry to say that you may uncross your fingers as nothing will happen.
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Jantina says...
Are you referring to the method of removing the shells asder? do you have experience with myrica ? if so please share as there are a lot of us out here attempting to sprout seed.
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John Mc says...
They appear to be very fresh.
Pictures - Click to enlarge

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asder says...
Soory to be a drag but the source of
seed from eBay seems never to work. Afraid I have no answers only bad experiences.
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MaryT says...
I have read a lot of information in Chinese online and no one ever mentioned propagation from seeds. It seems they prefer to graft buds onto root stock.

Oops, just added 'seeds' to my search and there are talks of seed germination:

你可用GA3 2000ppm浸種2小時再以溼水苔草包裹放置於冰箱冷藏5度c20天取出放置於25度c處20天反覆變溫處理直到發芽為止,就可播種‧

translated: "you can use GA3 2000ppm to soak them for two hours then wrap them in damp moss(?) and keep in fridge at 5C for 20 days then place them somewhere at 25 C for 20 days. Keep repeating this until they sprout. They are then ready for planting."
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Miranda says...
according to Chinese website, seeding tree will not fruit until over 10 years old. Plant fresh dry seed in Autumn in 1cm deep than cover with some dry grass to keep soil warm and moist. it takes about 80 days to germinate. Germination rate 50% to 60%. seeds collected in summer need to be covered in damp sand if not plant straight away.
Good luck to you all.
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Violet Cactus says...
Either one of mine has germinated or there was a weed seed in my 'sterile' seed-raising mix. Two tiny green leaves are showing. It's too good to be true... could be a freak weed seed, but I'll wait and see.

Jantina, have you received the Vanilla Persimmon seeds yet?
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Jantina says...
Fingers crossed Violet, you could be the first! Thankyou, yes the seeds have arrived, I put them in the fridge to stratify a bit longer (as per your 3 months instructions.Hope they grow!

Asder if you want to have a go with these fresh myrica seed email me your address
jantinarohde at activ8 dot net dot au
as I have a few left that are in the fridge at the moment.
Even Daleys are having a go!
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BJ says...
Dont know if anyone else has noticed, but Daley's now has Bayberries 'in production'? So, there should be at least some available here soon. Although, I've heard you need around 5 to ensure pollination, so even a good stock at Daley's wont go that far.
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Linton says...
Hi Violet Cactus

could you tell me how you prepared the Myrica seed that might be growing. Did you crack the hard shell and remove it or leave the seed intact? Thanks.
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Mike says...
I think if the rarely grew from seeds their family tree would have been a stump.
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Linton says...
Red Bayberry

Any ideas on how long before the Daleys plants in production will be ready?
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Jantina says...
Since their seed also comes from my lot Linton it could be a while.
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Linton says...
I don't understand why the bayberry seeds won't grow. Maybe it's better if someone can import the live trees instead. There's a nursery in the UK selling Myrica seedlings. Also a group of people in the US formed a co-operative and are importinga batch of grafted trees from China.

It would be good if someone could do this here. You don't have to use the AQIS quarantine facility to import live plants. I heard that it's cheaper to use a private quarantine place and they look after the plants better than AQIS.
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BJ says...
Again, Daley's seem to be growing a batch now, so if you wait a wee while they should be offered through this site. Just go to the Bayberry page and register to be notified. Hopefully the pros will be able to work out the dormancy issues etc
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denise1 says...
The seeds that Jantina and others recently imported from China were definitely fresh, I cut some open to find live embryos. They were said to have completed the appropriate cold treatment before delivery according to local knowledge. They are not due to start germinating until the end of October, so too early to start worrying. Another thing is that the recent seeds were noticably larger than dead seeds previously imported on ebay etc. Perhaps that means they are from larger commercial quality fruits? Heres looking forward to a good outcome.
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Update on seeds distributed by Jantina. My batch identical to Jantinas have fared as follows. The seeds sown out of direct sunshine indoors have mostly rotted even though in plenty of indirect light. The ones against a window with direct sun for several hours per day are still good. They apparently need the fungicidal and bactericidal action of the pure sunlight to stay alive. They grow naturally on slopes open to sunshine so no surprises there. The seedmix has partially dried a few times with no apparent harm to the seeds. I dont know if you ozzies have any sunny windows with all your verandahs and lack of windows compared to NZ. I hope this observation hasnt come too late for the good success of other growers.
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denise1 says...
Of course you will need to moderate against overheating by laying some shadecloth over the punnets at peak sunshine. cheers, folks.
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Julie says...
Maybe I should move mine then. They are in a polystyrene box with a heat mat.
Haven't checked to see the state of the seeds, but getting a bit fed-up with waiting!
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Some promising little mounds of earth evident in my seed raising mix today.. pushed a bit aside . Yay! My first little bayberries are germinating. I soaked the seed for 48 hours in the recommended strength of gibberellic acid about three weeks ago.
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Congrats Phil, you may be the daddy of the first plants! (I'm not growing, just watching with interest.)
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denise1 says...
I had thrown away trays that I had sown from ebay seeds more than a year ago that didnt grow within six months. A few of them germinated in the garden recently. A lesson to be learnt about the bayberry.
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Linton says...
Hi Phil

Since you got such a good result using Giberellic Acid, does this mean I should dig up the seeds and put them in Giberellic Acid. Could you also let me know where you get this material.

All the seeds were planted a couple of months ago so I would have to take them out of the soil and start again.
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Nick T says...
Hi Linton, I just bought some the other day off ebay http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gibberellic-Acid-GA3-Plant-Growth-Regulator-Hormone-95-2-5-grams-/140896052503?pt=AU_Seed_Starting_Hydroponics&hash=item20ce0f2517) :)
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Yes I had to do that Linton, when I dug them up there was no sign of germination so I soaked them in the recommended strength for two days and it seems to have worked. I got my acid from rare exotic seeds . com and it came from Canada but I think you can get it locally if you do a search on the internet.
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Linton says...
Giberellic Acid

Thanks for this information and I was able to order the GA from the local site. Could you please tell me what concentration you used to soak the seeds. I assume that you have to mix it with water. Thanks.
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Linton, what is the local site??
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Mike says...
I got given some GA and it worked great on the Ilamas.I would go in the range of 400 to 600ppm and don't go too much more than 24hrs.Etoliation could be a problem even if all looks OK at first.
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Linton says...
I meant I ordered it from the person on the ebay australia site by just clicking on the link above. I think it said they are in Central Victoria and it was $10 with free postage so much quicker than coming form overseas.
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Thanks ,Linton.
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What is the "recommended strength" Of G.A. ,Phil? I have seen 1,000ppm and 500ppm ; which did you use?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I used a solution as close as I could get to around 250 ppm.. I think I was a little heavy handed as I don't have scales to measure it accurately, but I just used 200ml of water and about an eighth of a tsp of the powder.. seems to have worked all the same.
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MaryT says...
The literature online (in Chinese) says:

use GA3 2000ppm to soak them for two hours then wrap them in damp moss(?) and keep in fridge at 5C for 20 days then keep them at 25 C for 20 days. Keep repeating this until they sprout. They are then ready for planting
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I was worried that too high a concentration would impede rather than stimulate germination.. I must have around forty seeds which Jantina sent me, so it will be interesting to see how many finally do come up.
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Mike says...
I think 2000ppm sounds higher than google recommendations.My friend's wifes' sister just arrived from Jinghua and apparently it has the best bayberries.She brought 20 or so seeds of the best ones for me and I'll get them on Friday.I'll try 500ppm for 24 hrs and then in and out of the fridge.I am too warm for this type but what the heck.
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I moved mine off the prpagating mat (in styrofoam box) and into the sunshine yesterday. Hopefully, I'll see some results.
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Linton says...
Bayberry's still popping up!

Another Bayberry sprouted yesterday. In spite of a few dying off at first, they have continued to pop up over the last few months so I have managed to get a few good ones to grow.

Has anyone else had success with them besides myself and Phil?
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Jenny says...
you must have the magic touch Linton, usually I'm pretty good with seeds but mine have done nothing, and I did try the GA3. A hungry rat didn't help either, with one pot :-(
I won't toss them out yet though, you never know...
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denise1 says...
Perhaps part of the the key to Lintons success is the course potting medium that was used
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Paul W says...
I have 7 seedlings up now out of 45 seeds. They come up very slowly, each one coming up weeks after the last one. They have been in the ground for a few months now after getting them from Janita.The most recent one came up just today. The next question is, how do I get hold of something that is worth while to graft onto them? Any thoughts?
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denise1 says...
Just finished potting up 480 yangmei seedlings, they pretty much came up all together and it was months after a soak in GA3. So maybe the GA3 did nothing. The tray was outside, sheltered and in the sun all this time, but with a sheet of clear plastic on top. It is about 11 months after sowing of about 1500 seeds.
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After further thought, I think the GA3 dip had made a difference, even though they sprouted several months after the dip. The evidence is that the seedlings were very stretched, as is with bean sprouts.They are still sturdy enough and settling in well with a close watch.
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Bayberry's still popping up after 9 months!!!

I just had another one come up after the initial putting of seeds in 9 months ago and the first lot to germinate was back in January so there seems to be no rhyme or reason to them. They were all soaked in GA3.

BTW Denise, what will you do with the 480 plants, maybe you can start a Bayberry farm.
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tian says...
YangMei (bayberry)taste very good and juicy. Anybody have bayberry farm can
do advertising on Chinese newspaper(cost
under $50). Tree will sell as fast as potato chips.
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I got my bayberry to sprout. I put 20 seeds in a zip lock bag with river sand(damp'ish)mostly and a touch of seed raising mix 90/10 ratio. 4 of these sprouted and are growing. Happy days.
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Growing Info:
Scarification: Soak in water, let stand in water for 24 hours.
Stratification: cold stratify for 90 days.
Germination: seed may start to germinate in cold strat., sow seed 1/8" deep , tamp the soil, mulch the seed bed.

On sale in USA via Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OSW2MH0
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Attention Mark!

I still can't believe you found Bayberry plants for sale at BAAG today. As said, I have never, repeat never ever, seen live Myrica plants for sale in any nursery here before. Please put picture if possible for all to see. I think they will sell out very fast.

Breadfruits at Parkmore last week for $20/kg - large bright vivid green ones!
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Markmelb says...
For all to View - dont know who grew these for BAAG - but looked good and know Linton has more space for these luscious darlings when they bear YumBerries - Yum Yum - only 4 left if your quick - look like seedlings to me as all not exactly identical.
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Latest fruit club newsletter says Yarra Valley Growers have reportedly taken over the contract for producing bayberry and are looking at having growers in each state with 60000 trees in production in 5 years...
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Is there anybody in Australia with a Bayberry producing fruit???

Found this link -
http://www.rirdc.gov.au/research-project-details/custr10_NPP/PRJ-005083

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Not fruiting, but my largest one must be close.Well it might be... They aren't self pollinating and I don't know what I've got. Even if it is female my others won't be ready to pollinate for some time assuming I even have a male.

I also have a few white bayberries which I believe makes me unique at least in the state.
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Markmelb says...
This link says Bayberry flowers are monoecious

http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Myrica+rubra
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sternus1 says...
The link is wrong.

Yangmei, myrica rubra, is dio. Other myrica can be mono.
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From the YouTube videos of the Nambour trials, they looked extremely easy to grow and fruit, and I would be very surprised if there were nort at least a few fruiting trees in the Chinese communities here.
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Markmelb says...
TPFKAK - could you please put up the link to UQ videos as cant find them - have a sneaking suspicion these were from Renaissence herbs/plants as were in their yellow pots.
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Sternus - got this off website

http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Myrica+rubra

Myrica rubra is an evergreen Shrub growing to 15 m (49ft 3in).
It is hardy to zone (UK) 10. It is in leaf 12-Jan. The flowers are monoecious (individual flowers are either male or female, but both sexes can be found on the same plant) and are pollinated by Wind.It can fix Nitrogen.

Also a chinese nursery selling different CVs - some ineresting colors - even charcoal Black??
http://www.fruit-trees-nursery.com/myrica_rubra.htm
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MIke T1 says...
Black carbon is a tropical variety from the southern areas of taiwan.In the Maoming and even Hainan areas in China there are good reds and even warm area black types.There are varieties suited to a wide range of climates.
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Markmelb says...
I think the only time i may ever visit China is to taste these delights in late summer??
Who wants to do a Bayberry tasting trip?
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There is a native opuntia in hainan also that produces reportedly delicious fruit. The black type is really a purple, bit of a misnomer. It's the one sold mainly as a fresh eating crop whereas the Reds are generally dried. The Chinese make furniture from the wood, which is similar to citrus, and make tea from the leaves which is often pressed into tea bricks. They do this with juju ez also. I have three blacks at about a metre high, several reds and a couple of whites. I believe there is a yellow also, I do not have one nor have I seen proof of its existence however.
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Markmelb says...
Have yours flowered or you think next year? have you had yours less than 2 years and that statement of male and female flowers on one tree totally incorrect?
As the plants i got did not have any indication of male or female? so maybe these plants could produce fruit individually?
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Mark, the videos were only up for a few months, then removed. The user had quite a few good videos of new fruit trials and new mango breeding programs etc.
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Linton says...
Attention Mark

If you want to do a Bayberry tour then you should go to Taiwan where there are many farms producing various cultivars. You can do an "agri-tour" there where you can pick your own bayberries, have tastings and buy heaps of Bayberry Jams and products. There is even a Bayberry Festival held every year in Keelung.

Here are some links.

http://sixtydaysintaiwan.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/day-17-its-yang-mei-guo-harvest-season.html

http://agriezgo.com.tw/ezgoen/cht/index.php?code=list&flag=detail&ids=69&article_id=293

http://www.gokeelung.com.tw/en/season.aspx

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Linton says...
Picking Bayberries in Ningbo, Northern China.

Beautiful pictures of Bayberries here:

https://rbjello.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/yumberryyang-mei-picking-in-ningbo/

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Linton says...
That's funny Mark as I was also in the the spice shop in Oakleigh today but didn't see you there! I wonder if it was the same shop. The Waxberry's you got there do you mean Bayberries? I would like to try them too but a bit worried about eating any berries from China now.

I got some more Bayberry Plants from Baag to be on the safe side. But guess what, the price has dropped to $11 now so we have been ripped off with the first lot! They are exactly the same size plants as before.
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sternus1 says...
Anyone want to see what a white bayberry tree looks like?
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Markmelb says...
Have you got fruit Sternus?
Tasted some preserved Bayberry today from a chinese supermarket in oakleigh called waxberry which is same as bayberry - very sweet with a rock hard seed that possibly is viable - doesnt look cooked from whatever process they use?
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I got some more Bayberry Plants from Baag to be on the safe side. But guess what, the price has dropped to $11 now so we have been ripped off with the first lot! They are exactly the same size plants as before."

Really? Actual Bayberry plants? Can you post up a pic?
Are they postable? love to get my hands on some.
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Linton says...
Sternus - please put the picture of the White Bayberry Tree, waiting to see it.

JohnMc - I bought most of them yesterday for some friends down here but there were still one or two left at Baag (Bulleen Art & Garden Nursery). I still have one spare if you need it. You can see the picture of them posted by Mark on 8 Feb above.
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Heres a pic of a Packet of Preserved Bayberry i got from a Chinese Supermarket last night in Mount Waverley
They are very sweet - quite tasty - cant wait to try fresh fruit :)
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Linton says...
Good one Mark! Never seen preserved Bayberrys here. Would like to try but I'm a bit worried about eating berries from China now.

Down at Gardenworld yesterday, they had plenty of Kohala Longans, Florida Sweet Acerola Cherry Trees and Lychees. Was a bit surprised they're selling Lychees now.
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len says...
be careful with e-bay seeds, i bought some of these ages ago maybe best part of 12 months, planted 8 pots, tipped 4 today all but one seed gone maybe rotted dunno no remains, the one seed resembled petrified wood.

we need a reliable fresh local seed supply

any ideas?

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Paul W says...
I am currently traveling in Japan and have come across lots of bay berry trees. They have set fruit but don't look like they will be ready to eat for another couple of months (see pic). I am toying with the idea of buying some trees and trying to send them home by putting them through customs. I understand that this will be very costly and time consuming, however I am sure it will be worth while if I can get them in. The biggest problem I have though is trying to get some trees to purchase. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to start looking?
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Markmelb says...
Paul - Dont worry about the expense to import - Bayberry plants are already here in Aust tho not yet fruiting I guess (as you may have read above)and doing a few cuttings (from extra branches on seedlings)so in a couple years you should have your bayberries hopefully fingers crossed. If you want plants now there may still be some at the nursey mentioned above in Melbourne - they wouldnt say where they got them from - but there will probably more in spring/summer?
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Paul W says...
Thanks Mark, but given these are not known cultivars (I assume they are seedlings)do you think they will be worth while? Also, as you need male and female plants, this further complicates things. What are your thoughts?
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Yoda on DMT says...
Daleys will have black carbon bayberry in production within a few months.
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Markmelb says...
Paul - If you think getting named M/F CVs of a great tasting variety for future grafting stock - could be well worth the expense???
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denise1 says...
Just be careful with fertiliser or watering with chlorinated water. It can kill them
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Yoda on DMT says...
I'll say it again:

Daleys
will have
black carbon bayberry
which is the best variety
in production
within the next month.
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JohnMc1 says...
Put my name down for six of them.
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Paul W says...
Wow, that is very exciting news. Thanks so much Yoda, can't wait!!!
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Markmelb says...
So why isnt Black Carbon listed for pre purchase?
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Yoda on DMT says...
Because it isn't in production yet.

The listings don't go up until this happens.

If I tell you it's happening, you can believe it.
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LouieB says...
Go to Szechuan every year and Bayberries are always a highlight. Just got back and I must have eaten 5kg over 3 weeks! They are amazing, delicious and rather hard to describe, bit like a raspberry crossed with a blackberry but no sour taste. Darker berries are better than bright red. So excited to hear I will soon be able to get them here! Yay!
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Markmelb says...
LouieB - what was the climate like in Szechuan - have you been there in Winter? My bayberries only seem to be just handling the melb winter so far this year - I read too only water them with RAIN WATER too as they dont like CHLORINE :)
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JohnMc1 says...
....or chemical fertilizers, even weak doses @ 1.4 EC knocked them for a six. With a new batch emerging, I'm sticking to the likes of the organics like Seasol first and maybe move to powerfeed.
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Markmelb says...
Thanks JohnMc, they seem a very fussy plant like my portuguese sundews - ive not done any fertilizing as yet - but ive only luckily been using my raintank water so far till i read that about chlorine - maybe its because they are nitrogen fixing plants they are fussy about fertilizers????
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denise1 says...
Bulk seeds imported fresh from China gave 20 % , and of those only about 30% survived . I am now growing Myrica cerifera to see if they would make a durable rootstock. It is possible that those too require up to a year to germinate, as does the yangmei.
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JohnMc1 says...
With my last batch of seeds, I got 80% germination around the 6 month mark, with no external germination supplements/assistance. They are loving the Seasol, staying beautiful and lush green even though it contains negligible nutrient.
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Paul W says...
Yoda. What it's the latest on the availability of the bay berries?
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sternus1 says...
Won't be this year Paul. Next year at the earliest.
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Paulo K says...
After 8 months trying, only one seed of bayberry sprouted. And now the small plant is with one unidentified diseaseand dying fast.

If anyone knows - or have an idea - of what is going on, please let me know.

I tried some things but did not work.
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denise1 says...
It is important to NOT give them any strong fertiliser. A seaweed sprinkle is OK. Also dont water with chlorinated water. If you only have chlorinated water, let it stand in a bucket for up to 2 days to let the chlorine evaporate before watering. You may get more seedlings coming up yet, mine mostly sprouted at 12 months.
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denise1 says...
Yep, but not a salty seaweed mix.
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Paulo K says...
Thank you Denise...
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MIke T1 says...
Paulo are you in Sao Paulo and your surname begins with C?
Fresh seeds should be refrigerated for a few months as GA3 and sacrification doesn't seem to help.I received seeds today.
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BenW says...
I'm not sure where they are coming from, but there are some seed grown ones popping up for sale in Melbourne now.
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Joel15 says...
Does anyone have any plants available for sale yet?
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BenW says...
There have been some available (seed grown) in Nurseries in Victoria the past year or so, though I've only seen them in one place.

The were from one of the relatively well known propagators too. Will try and remember to check the labels when I get home. Perhaps a local nursery will be able to do a special order.

I planted 4 last year and another 5 this year. I'm in a fairly cool area and have lost a couple but the rest seem healthy enough.
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BenW says...
Oh wow, there's a coincidence... exactly one year from my comment above :)
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Joel15 says...
That is quite the coincidence! If you could find out who the propagator was that'd be great. I work at a nursery so might be able to organise something.
Thanks!
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Mike Tr says...
Seeds are easy to get but plants are not.
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BenW says...
Renaissance herbs. Good luck :)
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Joel15 says...
Would never have thought it would've been them! I doubt i'll here back from them though. Anyone have a reliable source for seed?
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phil@tyalgum says...
One of Jantina's Bayberries, seed of which she distributed to some of the forum members a while back. This is the only surviving seedling from a batch I treated with GA to assist germination. I think it has the potential to be a reasonably fast grower, although this specimen is in dappled shade.
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ivepeters says...
Nice plant Phil, glad you have posted a guard on it.
Something ripped out a couple of mine early on, was so sad.
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denise1 says...
Many yangmei seedlings died on us, the majority in fact. It seems to be related to giving them fertilizer. I think it kills the friendly root fungus. I grew a batch of the USA waxberry (Myrica cerifera) which has had no casualties and I have grafted yangmei onto one of them.It seems to have taken well and is starting into good growth. The waxberry grows well by cuttings or seeds.
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BlackPeakWusuMyrica says...
Hello, interesting fruit! I have not tasted it yet but lots of good info here!
I am looking for either Black Peak or Wusu type of Myrika Rubra...i am hoping i coukd find at least seeds here. Anyone have any? Thanks!
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Mike Tr says...
I gave quite a few away recently of both black chines and Taiwanese types.They are a bit more of a warmth lover than most reds.
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BlackPeakWusuMyrica says...
Mike Tr: Do you have any now? I am happy to pay for postage or a reasonable fee. Let me know...SmyFigs@gmail.com
Thanks!
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laddawan1 says...
I got red bayberry from ebay.now have i plant out of 20 seeds.
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denise1 says...
If you have only one tree you wont get any fruit as male and female flowers on separate trees. You could wait to find what it is and then graft a mate onto a branch. Or get more seeds. It can also be grafted onto waxberry ( Myrica cerifera) which may sucker a lot below the graft for the first few years. I hope someone on the forum can help you with some more plants or graft wood.
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Markmelb says...
In USA they are grafting successfully to their local Myrica Californica that doesnt sucker but cant find anyone growing seedlings here in Australia - Not investigated importing seeds as yet.
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laddawan1 says...
Yes.waiting for daleys to have some
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