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I purchased and planted a black passionfruit plant way back in September 2005. The vines now creep onto a trellis measuring 5metres x 2.5metres. It seems quite healthy as the vines have almost covered the entire trellis and the base is approx 6cm in diameter thick. I have been watering twice a week (within water restriction guidelines) and fertilising with cow manure every 3 months. To date, I have only seen TWO passionfruit, and they fell off last year before they got to the size of golf balls. I approached a local nursery and they reckoned that I need to feed it iron sulphate, which I did (only once). I was hoping to get more fruit but having just two in 3 years makes me wonder if I should pull it out. Please tell me if I am doing something wrong. I was told by friends to be patient, but 3 years???
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Anonymous says...
You needed iron cilates, but that was not the problem. Pot ash may have helped with the flowering and or buring a sheeps liver. I think you have a plant with a virus in it. These only have 5 years on them so start again. Change the soil first.
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Dekka says...
Henry, aside from your couple of fruit, does it produce many flowers? If not, then my guess would be that an over supply of Nitrogen is promoting the abundance of leaves (which your vine clearly has) over flower production. You only need Iron if the new leaves begin to turn yellow between the leaf veins. Potash at the end of winter should work but I would definitely lay off the Nitrogen and you'll probably get a bumper crop.
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Correy says...
Hi Dekka I am in the same boat.

I have two passionfruits one black grafted and another is the panama red grafted.

the panama grafted one gets amazing crops and the black one flowers profusely but never sets fruit.

I am thinking that it is that the plant is rejecting it's own pollen or something because I have tried hand pollinating as well.

I did fertilize it with dynamic lifter which has nitrogen so maybe that was a bad thing. Then again I did it to both.
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peter says...
same thing with my nellie kelly black passionfruit.
plenty of flowers but no fruit,
not even with hand pollination.
what is happening now is that the bits that are supposed to have the pollen on them dont have any, they are dry a
bit shinny and smooth.
the panama gold along side it develops
dry powdery pollen throughout the day
that you can wipe off with a brush.
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Dekka says...
The most common reasons for passionfruit vines having an abundance of flowers but no fruit are:-
1. Lack of pollinators, i.e, bees.
2. Temperatures too hot or cold during flowering.
3. Long periods of overcast weather during flowering
4. Lack of Boron.

One other reason for a lack of fruit on grafted vines can sometimes be that the vigorous rootstock has sprouted and outgrown the scion without the grower realising.
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peter says...
the rootstock has not sprouted on mine.
and there is still the lack of pollen
problem i have seen.
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Dekka says...
I did some looking around the net last night and unfortunately the general vibe is that sometimes (and quite mysteriously) passionfruit just won't satifactorily produce fruit. Don Burke's site suggests that you ignore the offending vine and plant a new one as they are only good for 3 to 5 years at most; being careful not to over water.
Another interesting tidbit is that some passionfruit vines will often develop little spots and lumps on the foliage which can appear to be disease. It is, however, a deterent to Heliconine butterflies that lay eggs singly on the plant. When the butterfly sees the spots it apparently assumes that the vine is already covered in eggs and moves elsewhere.
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Henry says...
Yes, my black passionfruit vine does have lots of flowers, but then the flowers drop off. Dekka recommends potash at the end of winter while anonymous suggest I start all over again. The flowers are so close that if anything, they would have been pollinated. Lots of bees around too. I have been fertilising with bagged cow manure, but to no avail. Doesn't my pic show a healthy passionfruit vine? Help!!!!!!
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aNON says...
Too much nitrogen can be the reason thus extra potash would be good to balance out especially when such luxourious growth.

I like dolomite when a plant has mysetry non fruiting as well.
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Andy says...
I have a similar problem with my grafted, black passionfruit. New growth is green but fades to yellowish in a few weeks (see image). It rarely produces flowers and definitely no fruit. It gets plenty of sun and watered regularly (twice a week).I have tried slow-release fertiliser and well as trace elements over the past few months, all to no avail.
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benny says...
have same ploblem not much happening on the fruit side tried it all / /?
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James says...
Andy, it is clear from the photo that your rootstock has taken over from the scion, as the Nelly Kelly passionfruit leaf is oval in shape... with the rootstock variety having a trifoliate or palmate shape. It is really important to keep an eye on the plant during the early stages, knocking off all shoots coming from the rootstock, because it will happen without you realising it. If you want fruit you are going to have start again I'm afraid
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manda says...
My panama red came with leaves like the ones in Andy's pic... does this mean that the root stock has taken over on mine as well?
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Jantina says...
James, my black passionfruit (ungrafted) has leaves on it like Andy has and it also has produced lovely black passionfruit on that growth. Rootstock does have trifoliate leaves, but so does banana passionfruit and my black one certainly has. I think if you look very closely you will see that although they are all trifoliate they are all a bit different. Perhaps the oval leaves are immature because my black one had oval leaves when younger. I might of course be completely wrong but I do have all three and went out to check them before writing this.
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Anonymous says...
My Nelly Kelly has trifoliate leaves and they're from the section above the graft point.

Mind you I'm ticked off with mine because it isn't growing so I've put a seedling in a couple of metres away. The Nelly is on notice now- there's only one trellis and it's Who dares Wins...........
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Sharon says...
Hi
My Nelly Kelly has tons of fruit , but they turn yellow when they get to about half size. I,ve tried everything I can think off to remedy this problem.They are both grafted plants and we made sure there were no shoots from the root stock remaining as it grew. Has the root stock still taken over? or am I missing something?The plants are 2 years old.
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peter says...
are they supposed to be a nelly kelly
black passionfruit or are they perhaps
a nelly kelly panama gold which are yellow.
the root stock would not have taken
over if you have been removing all shoots growing out from below the graft.
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Vicki says...
Mine is a Nelly Kelly grafted black passionfruit. The flowers dropped off without fertilizing. I hand fertilized and now have many fruit. The fruit drops off and doesnt seem to be turning purple. If I open the dropped off fruit it is good inside with passionfruit pulp just not as sweet as when they turn black. It is crazy. I think these grafted varieties are not all they are cracked up to be.
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peter says...
is your trunk below the graft a
purply colour.
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Vicki says...
Sort of :)))
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Sharon says...
No they were suppose to be Nelly Kelly Black.I`ve opened one and they are red inside and don`t taste like a passion fruit but are sweet.Not very nice all the same and not a lot of pulp. They fall off the vine as they yellow.They have had plenty of water so its not that.I planted two vines at the same time and they are both the same.

Thank you
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peter says...
sharon,
can you post a picture of the
leaves and branches.

are your branches a purply colour?

the fruit from the grafting stock that
nelly kelly usually use has bright red
pulp and purple trunks and branches.
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Vicki says...
I think my nelly kelly has been mislabelled. I cant find a picture on the internet of nelly kelly pananma gold so cant tell. I found one fruit on the ground quite yellow and it tasted fine. Still they are dropping before they turn a true yellow. I dont mind as long as I know what is happening. The vine is healthy. Just dont self fertilise and dont stay long enough to go yellow. An unruly child to say the least.
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Dave &amp; Bez says...
Similar situation hereto, Year 1 .. Grafted Black produced 12 fruit Panama Red zero.
Year 2 .. Both Flowered but no fruit.
Year 3 .. G Blk flowers but no fruit.
P Red 2 doz fruit but green skin and bitter taste.
Year 4 .. G Blk plenty flowers but no fruit. P Red 3 doz fruit(photo 31/1/09) green skin white pithy inside & sour taste.
only half dozen bees on the job.
Avg Rainfall 60 mm per mth .. cow manure & plant food twice / yr.
Looks like we shall dig up and try again!

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Jantina says...
Personally I have given up on grafted passionfruit ,I think they are way over rated and once the rootstock gets a foothold you can be pulling it up for a year. Now I just grow ungrafted black passionfruit and find it much hardier, gives me good fruit and doesn't have a rootstock that wants to take over the world. You can either buy an ungrafted one (but Nelly Kelly tends to rule at nurseries) or grow one yourself from seed (easy).
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allan says...
Vicki, Nelly Kelly passion fruit nurseries are located in Dingley Melbourne suburb. They have grafted the Panama red and yellow onto a f root stock. It is sold thru Bunnings as Nelly Kelly Passion fruit - Panama Red or Gold or the Grafted black (their original) So a Nelly Kelly these days do not automatically mean a black passion fruit. They have grafted the Panama type 15 yrs ago.
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Joop. says...
My garden is a large balcony(64sqm) and I have 2 Passion fruit plants(grafted)
1 Nelly Kelly-Black
1 Red Passion fruit
They are in pots and I water frequently and fertilize every fortnight,this is the second year now and I haven't seen a flower yet.They get plenty of sun so that can't the problem but get a fair bit of wind.What do I do wrong?
I do appreciate advise.Thanks.
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Tak says...
I also am growing 2 Nellie Kelly passionfruit (Black and Gold grafted)

Have not fertilised, apart from some mushroom compost.

I've yet to see a flower after about 15 months. Getting frustrated with these plants and want to rip them out!

Does anyone know if this is normal, or what I should be doing?
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peter says...
somebody with one of these panama
red or yellow grafted plants should
take a cutting of the top part and
see if that goes any better.

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Andy says...
To Vicki
Like yours, all the fruit on my mislabeled passionfruit fell to the ground as they started to turn yellowish. I left them in the kitchen and they all turned deep red within a day or two. Tasted great, very sweet, but not much pulp. My mislabeled passionfruit is probably a Panama Red. Still a bit of a mystery why they all fell off, but the fruit tasted great.
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Joop. says...
I read somewhere that if you give Passion fruit to much nitrogen they will not set fruit but won't they flower either?
I have been fertilizing every fortnight with Aquasol whose NPK is 23-4-18
Any comments?
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Margaret says...
margaret say's Sharon and peter mine is the same. Green fruit then changes to yellow then orange and when you brake open the skin is soft like manderine white color and the pulp is red. The trunk and branches are purple.

Are they safe to eat??? Please advise Peter..
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peter says...
margaret,
yes you can eat them.
im planning on eating mine when
they fruit, i dont even know what they
taste like.
let me know what you think of them if
you eat yours.

your root stock has taken over,
you can do a search on blue crown
passionfruit to find a picture of them.
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Vicki says...
Hi, thanks all. I have decided mine are panama gold. I hand pollinate and have tons of fruit now. I leave them a day or two after they fall off the vine and they are mostly delicious. The odd one is ordinary. I agree with Janita. I wont buy a grafted variety again. I once had one grow wild over a shed in the backyard of a house we were renovating. I didn't plant it it just grew. It had the best purple passionfruit. I dont look forward to the day I have to pull the plant out. This plant was definitely labelled black grafted. The fruit is good though. Mine was planted over a piece of liver which gave it a really good start in life.
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BARRY says...
Ihave two Nellie Kelly vines growing along the fence one has a small tri figure leaf witch had about nine fruit on it the other has a large leaf and has never flowered both have plenty of foliage on them and been fertilised with cow manure and potash my question is why is one flowering and the other is not
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John I. says...
Hi Barry. I had the same problem with my Nellie Kelly. Lots of leaves and flowers but no fruit. It turns out that either the graft didn't take or it was pruned off by the nursery. All that was left was the root stock.
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shasuz says...
I have a grafted Nellie Kelly which is a year old. It has grown profusely, but not flowers or fruit have appeared. can you give me an explation for this
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gary says...
after reading this forum i decided i had to act.the problem was the fruit was yellow soft skinned & the pulp was red & didn't taste that good.there was plenty of them even the birds didn't want to attact them.i went down to the vines today i have 3 of them the purple one,panama gold & panama red all side by side.it was panama red that had sent suckers up everywhere.i cut & pulled out all the suckers there is not much of the 3 plants left.i'm happy i did this as in this forum i learnt that passionfruit only 3 to 5 years & since these vines are 2 & 3 years old what have i got to lose.i put potash around them & now i'll sit back & wait to see what happens
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Batty says...
Which is the better performer the Nellie Kelly or the Panama varieties ?

Are they both grafted ?

Thanks
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Leona says...
hi, you can get grafted and seed grown ones in both panamas and black passionfruit...Nelly Kelly is just the growers name, not a type. I prefer those grown from seed as they dont sucker. They do take a little longer to fruit but not that long. I am in Perth and the black passionfruit I have is doing much better than my panamas...its full of fruit at the moment.
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Batty says...
Hi Leona, thanks for that do you whether Bunnings have these seeds for purchase ?
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Jantina says...
Hi Batty, you can buy a nice big ripe black passion fruit from the greengrocer and leave it in the fruit bowl until it is all dried out and shrivelled and then plant the seeds from it. I have had much, much better performances from good old seed grown black passionfruit than any suckering Nelly Kelly.
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allan says...
Bunnings in Melb. sells potted Nelly Kelly grafted passion fruit - 3 varieties. Grafted Black, Grafted Panama Gold and Grafted Panama Red. As Leona stated, Nelly Kelly is a name of a passionfruit nursery in a Melb. suburb Dingley. You can phone them and discuss your problems. I doubt that they sell seeds - never seen themsold in packets.
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Batty says...
Thanks guys all good advice. I have a fence line thats just waiting for this plant, but I have been reluctant to grow it due to these suckers coming out. Jantina yours sounds like a plan.

cheers
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Diane says...
We have a Panama Gold and a Black Grafted Passion Fruit, they are both fruiting well but they are losing their leaves would this be because of the rain we have been having? they are looking very sad. The are only about 2 years old.
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Johnc says...
It appears that we all have similar problems with our passion fruit. i hope a horticulturist or passion fruit "expert" can come on board and give us some answers. Anyone like that out there????

I have a grafted granadilla passion fruit which is very sweet and full of pulp when ripe . I have millons of flowers despite hand pollinating them, very few fruit. The second year had one fruit , 3rd year 2 fruit, but this 4th year had 30...but the fruit had changed and instead of the thin skin before, it is nearly 2 cm thick and the fruit is not as sweet as before but still sweet. Some of the fruit is also splitting from the bottom . This is a sign that it has too much water...so I was told by one of the nurseries I went to. Some of the fruit got deformed half way and drops after a short while.
The vines also started to lose a lot of leaves but the tips are still green. It also started flowering profusely again, but they all dropped after a couple of days.Some of the younger fruit have stopped growing and remained small,while the others are ripening and yellowing.

So does anyone know for sure what is happening to fruit changing the way it did. 2 cm thick skin in that fruit is quite a lot. ...when it is supposed to be thin skinned.
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paulaf says...
I did the same as Jantina.....Just planted a seed, and it has been the most productive, and disease resistant passionfruit I have had. I have just been out and counted over 70 passionfruits on the one vine. And the best thing is they don't sucker.
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trikus says...
Most problems could be people trying to grow this vine in marginal areas . Or growing the wrong species or variety . I cut'n'pasted this from Rare Fruits Australia web site .

Description A new book has been published by Queensland DPI&F to help commercial passionfruit growers produce top quality fruit for consumers. The Passionfruit Problem-solver Field Guide is an 118-page booklet illustrated with 216 colour photographs covering the pests, diseases, disorders and beneficial insects of passionfruit in Australia.

Jeff Daniells and Roger Goebel provided assistance in its development. The booklet is suitable for use in the field being a handy pocket size and printed on tough waterproof paper.

Copies are available from DPI&F’s Maroochy Research Station (phone +61 7 54412211) for A$35 (+GST) plus postage and handling or email peter.rigden@dpi.qld.gov.au.

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au0rey says...
Jantina, I read with interest what u said about buying a passionfruit and getting seeds from there. I have seen nellie kelly passionfruit vines in bunnings but just dont dare to try them since I read about so many problems encountered. So I did buy a few passionfruits yesterday! Two which I have got have some wrinkled skin. Are the seeds supposed to be dried when I cut open the fruit in due time? Btw, do you some pictures of your lovely passionfruit vines which You have grown out from seeds which you mentioned? Do passionfruit vines need a lot of space. I have got an area with good sunlight.
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Jantina says...
Hi auOrey, I let the fruit get ripe and wrinkled open them up , clean off the pulp and plant. I have also had plants germinate under the vine from missed fallen fruit so they're pretty easy. Passionfruit when growing well can take up a fair bit of space but you can prune them back to keep them smaller if you don't have much space, as for pictures I'm a computer dud, I can do emails and surf the web but pictures are a bit out of my league ( I'm too scared to even use the digital camera my husband got me).
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Thanks Jantina!
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jono says...
Hi all. I have read with interest the problems confronting many of the passionfruit growers. I have two vines growing Panama gold and red both purchased from Bunnings.The gold which is alittle over 12months old began fruiting last oct. after 4months the fruit appeared fully developed however was still green in colour with no show of changing to yellow.In frustration i removed one from the vine cut it open only to find the seeds were not fully developed and white in colour. A horticulturist friend of mine said to spray the vine with diluted milk low and behold within a few weeks of spraying the fruit began to ghange colour not yellow but crimson red (so much for panama gold.)I now find my second vine approx 6months old is fruiting as well. Maybe you could try milk on your vine as it seems to have aided in my vines fruiting. I may add that the skin of my fruit is about 5mm thick the pulp a sour sweet taste.The leaves are both trifolate and oval and rootstock has definitely not taken over.
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Relly says...
Very interesting thread, i have just planted a Big Boppa and a Panama Gold which struggled at first but has now picked up. I hope these vines don't turn out to be duds. i will have to try a few of the tips talked about here.
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Tiggerbow says...
Hi all,
I have been reading this forum for a few weeks as I was considering buying a passionfruit vine and wanted all the info i could get.
I went to Bunnings (Maddington, WA) today to get my passionfruit, armed with the info I had picked up on the forum. I was looking for the traditional Nelly Kelly Black/Purple fruit.
I had a really really good look at the vines and I couldn't figure out the grafts, some had multiple shoots coming out of them. I then had a look at the Panama yellow and there was a plant that I could identify the graft propery from.
I think that some of the posts above may be correct, in that the rootstock has ovetaken the graft. This seems to be occuring as early as at the store you buy it from. On some of the plants I couldn't figure out what was graft and what was rootstock. I suggest when purchasing these plants to have a really really good look at them. I ended up with a Panama yellow - hopefully I will have a bumper crop of passionfruit in the future !.
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Peter Myers says...
The nurseries in Qld are selling grafted black passionfruits even though they never do any good.

Best to grow from seed - red & yellow types in warm areas, black in cooler areas.

Just plant the seeds from sweet & healthy vines.

Vines need to be replaced every few years as diseases build up, so plant a few seeds each year.
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Liyarra says...
Now you have me worried!!! We planted 2 supposedly grafted black vines last year (2008) and all of a sudden in March this year they went beserk and are now holding over 100 fruit. The fruit and plants look quite healthy but are they likely to ripen at this stage of the year?
The fruit is quite large...maybe this is not a black after all???
What is the difference in the taste?
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TokyoJ says...
Hi All
Is it normal for older passionfruit leaves to turn yellow during Autumn/Winter?
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Peter Myers says...
Liyarra,

Black passionfruits are the kind to grow in Victoria.

If they don't ripen now, they'll ripen later.

If your area is frosty, you might be best to cover the vines with a mesh that lets light through. Bunnings sell one to keep birds off fruit. That might do. Also, you might wrap the stems of the vines with a layer of newspaper (tape it on). This will save them even if the tops die.

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Relly says...
Hi all, i'm having problems with both my panama gold and big boppa, they are being attacked by birds i think? I have not caught them in the act but not even the plastic snake keeps them away. All the new leaves have been pecked at or snapped off the vine. Was hoping for some advice about a spray that tastes bitter to birds.
Thanks in advance.
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amanda says...
I had a lot of trouble with rats eating my passionfruit and vines - i strung up blocks in the vines (i have dogs) and that was the end of that problem!
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Brenda says...
Hi, I have two passion fruit Nellie Kellie black in large pots, well drained, they have been doing very well, but one of them is loosing its leaves, they turn completely yellow.

They were bought grafted from Bunnings in January
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Leanne says...
Does anyone have a grafted Nelly Kelly passion fruit vine with fruit that is ripening? Mine is about 12 -18 months old and started producing fruit a couple of months ago. They are a nice size and there are about a dozen of them, but they are still bright green and shiny and no sign of ripening. Just wondering if anyone elses are ripening at the moment.
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randey says...
hello leanne, i live in perth and yes i have a nelly kelly that stretches over 5 metres along a north/ south fence that has gone ballistic with fruit and is just starting to ripen. there would be approx 100 fruit so far and its still flowering. just be patient. i have noticed that some vines will ripen at different times to others even in the same area. good luck
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amanda says...
I have same thing - the locals tell me it's our weird season this year. They said to be prepared to lose a lot of them if there is a cold snap. I think I will cry!! My panama red is a joy to behold at present (speaking as a dedicated pass'fruit eater!)
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amanda says...
PS - my peach n nectarines in full flower for past month now also - bizarre.
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Julie says...
Hey amanda, you beat me to it! I just noticed today my little Fragar peach is flowering. This long warm spell has thrown eveything out of whack.

I guess I should pull the flowers off, as it won't fruit in winter. I hope it has another go in spring!
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marilyn says...
I have a grafted Black Nelly Kelly from Bunnings. It is a year old, beautiful foliage covered with flowers that are dropping. The trunk above the graft is shrinking into sunken dark lines. It think it is a virus and it is the third vine from Bunnings that has died like this. Is there anything I can spray it with to save it or is it doomed.
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amanda says...
If it's a virus the plant is doomed I'm afraid. If it dies make sure u bin or burn it and don't plant another vine there again - I wouldn't know for sure but if it's a wilt virus then it's fatal. Try something else see the forum topic "passiflora vareties - peter mentioned the black NK's not so great.
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randey says...
hi marilyn, randey here. also a possibility that you have been attacked the deadly nematodes and as amanda suggests dig it out and cremate it and definitely do not grow anything else in that spot
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glendawn says...
I have heard about grafting passionfruit. I have tried a lot of different ways, but all have failed. Is there some sort of grafting gel available? or another type of compound I can use to get these grafts to work.
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amanda says...
This has some good info for passionfruit growers:

http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/horticulture/5524.htmlite
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kevin says...
amanda, i just tried the website you posted and it said that page was not available. how long since you used it?
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amanda says...
Hi Kevin try:

www.dpi.qld.gov.au

select "plants" header - u will find it under fruit -> fruit and nuts.
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charlie says...
this is all really interesting, I have a fantastic passionfruit stretching an entire two fence lines, with loads of flowers and fruit this year, but all of a sudden there are huge patches of yellow leaves that drop off leaving that patch quite bare, i have a problem with green ant nests and at the moment those enormous crickets that i try to wallop but they see me coming and jump, any ideas on this please????
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Liyarra says...
Ok. My plants are doing brilliantly and there are over 100 fruit on it. One finally ripened and to my dismay it really doesn't look like a black. Went to the supermarket and bought a black to compare - see photos here (shop "Black" on the left - our passionfruit on the right) Can anyone tell me what this sort is please?? I am being told it HAS to be a black cos none of the others will grow that well in Victoria.....confused and miffed!!! The pulp on our fruit was really orange in color and very sweet so I guess not a total loss. Vine is still flowering and fruit is dark shiny green.
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Liyarra says...
These are the plants and the fruit/flowers

Is it unusual fr them to be still flowering in May in Southern Australia??
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amanda says...
Hi Liyarra, it looks more like a Panama red to me - but Adelaide Peter may know the answer to this one?

It seems we are all having a late flush of passionfruit! ... My Pan.red is the same - I don't know if they will ripen thru' winter - does anyone else?
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Liyarra says...
Thanks Amanda.
The fruit looks healthy and the sheer amount on it at the moment is enough to make you drool LOL
Just frustrating that you think you plant one thing and something else comes out of it. We were meticulous about making sure nothing grew out from below the graft and the plant itself looks ok.
Oh well I guess it is an excuse to plant more somewhere else.....can never have too many passionfruit. Maybe I will try growing from a black store bought fruit.
Anyone tell me the best way to do this please??
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tecko says...
My 1 year old grafted Panama Red is also fruiting and flowering now (first time). I thought it is a winter fruit, but I think I'm mistaken. When (which month/s) do they normally bear fruit here in Perth?
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Julie says...
tecko, you might be having the same problem a few of us have mentioned -flowering out of season. We had such a long spell of dry, warm weather in Perth, a lot of plants seemed to think it was spring!

Maybe not, as I don't know when that variety of passionfruit usually fruits. I'v only grown Nelly Kelly, which fruited in summer.

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Seabee says...
Mad passionfruit! We have 2 grafted Nelly Kelly's and were starting to wonder whether to pull them out after 3 years of no fruit, then lo & behold they are covered in huge green fruit! but we are not far off our first frost and it seems a really strange time to start fruiting. Is this normal for mid NSW?.
They are along the verandah and have some protection from the extremes.
We would appreciate any suggestions.
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randey says...
same here guys , my plant has gone ballistic with growth and fruit after i spread blood and bone and sulfate of potash and on occasion fish heads after i had been fishing. mine is planted on a boundary fence within a metre of a brick wall so it is obviously getting enough heat from that but i agree that the poor thing thinks that it is still spring/summer. i only hope that the fruit ripens properly.
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amanda says...
And we all wait with bated breath for a mid-winter passionfruit feast... :))

Mine starting to go crinkly..but still green with a slight Pan.red blush..fingers crossed!

Randey - I honestly reckon a masonary wall is the best for passionfruit! and an old-timer told me 2day that further south in the colder areas - a metal-sheet wall (colour-bond etc) - is the duck-guts for these guys.
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randey says...
still waiting-waiting-waiting. oh god i might just pick a few and whack them in a paper bag with some green bananas and see what happens. its been known to work for other fruit
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amanda says...
Bananas + passionfruit - please tell me happens? I don't reckon the blighters will ripen till spring at least!!?? It's sunnier here so I will be the first to let u know :))) ('specially as I am the northern-most WA member here so far..?)

I tried one of mine yesterday - chokka with pulp etc but yukk! I am going to keep the water up to them and wait patiently (...not)

All these gardeners on the forum n no-one can tell us what's going to happen...???
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randey says...
well if its any consolation amanda i picked a hand of plantains yesterday and they were scrummy. so who`s got a crystal ball. well if you can get a bottle of ethylene gas or whatever they use to ripen fruit let us know
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amanda says...
Hi Randey - what r u growing down there by the way? Would be interested to compare notes with u.
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randey says...
hey amanda, check on the dragon site and see what i have written and give me a call. if you agree,i`ll take photos of all my plants and show you when i get up there. hopefully see you soon
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amanda says...
Hi Randey - I will try to call u 2nite.
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amanda says...
Hooray - my sunshine special p'fruit are nearly ripe!!! Hang in there guys. They changed colour pretty fast and I picked one yesterday, despite the wintery weather we have been having.
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randey says...
hi amanda, if you called im sorry i missed it. we left perth at about 4;30 am on saturday and got back in last night at 9 pm. i did manage to pick up a couple of passionfruit that have red seeds. i have no idea what these little suckers are, but the plant i got them off was really sickly looking, obviously never been fed or watered before. it may even be a native. any ideas
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amanda says...
Hi Randey - I will still give u a buzz - was a bit hectic here with o/seas rellies visitng. How's this weather...20mm in the gauge yesterday and still more to come!? I put out 100kg's of wetta-soil last nite..if that doesn't get my sub-soil wet then I will give up! ;)

Don't know about the passionfruit - was it from someone u know?
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Ant'S says...
I have 1 black Nelly Kelly and 1 Panama Gold passionfruit plants 12/18 months old. In summer both produced 2 dz of nice & sweet fruits. Late Feb this year they started flowering like crazy, at present they about 400 fruits , some ripening but not sweet enough, anybody knows why? I feed deluted cow & chicken manure and sodium of potash.
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amanda says...
Hi Ant'S..mine are a bit the same - I have put it down to ripening in the cool weather - the fruit not producing enuf' sugars..? I had 2 of mine 2day and put about a 1/4 teaspoon of (low GI) sugar in the halves..they were good enuf' for me! :) U could try leaving them on the vine longer - until they crinkle maybe.
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randey says...
hi amanda, yes it was from my neices place but she is only renting the house and doesnt know its lineage. it may be a munted version of either passiflora herbertiana ( native passionfruit )or even passiflora mollissima (banana passionfruit). i will plant the seeds and see what comes up. a lot of these sub species do actually grow from seed and fruit
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amanda says...
Hi Randey - that passionfruit sounds interesting - is the actual seed red?

Never heard of it myself (but that's not surprising...) I used to eat a lot of Banana pass' when a child but the seeds weren't red and the leaf (as u probly already know) is quite distinctive. I have had the 'stinker' (foedita?) up north and the seeds dark grey (actually not bad fruit..!)

Let us know how u get on with it hey?

PS - my subsoil wet for only the 2nd time in 4yrs... :)))) yippee..!
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randey says...
hey amanda, yes the actual seed is red surrounded by red pulp. the fruit itself was pretty small and munted but had enough in it to give me a taste. it seems that it would be pretty sweet given a bit of tlc, and yes i would love to have a "stinker", they are similar to the ones you get in indonesia. yellow skin grey seed pouch and absolutely full of sweet flesh. oh oh better stop i`m starting to drool
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peter says...
randy,
is the fruit from this red fleshed,red seed. hen egg sized, oval, with orange
skin?
the flesh being brilliant red.
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randey says...
hi peter, though the fruit looks severely undersized it is similar in some ways to banana passion and yes the skin is orange and the pulp and seed is red. hope that helps
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peter says...
id say it is a passiflora caerulea
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also commonly known as the blue crown
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if you google the names you should find
a picture and see if it is the same.
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Ant'S says...
Thanks Amanda. I will give them a go.
By the way, in my previous E-Mail comments I mentioned that I feed my plants with
"Sodium of Potash" this is not correct, I feed Phosphate of Potash, (Deluted)
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Julie says...
I think you might mean Sulphate of potash. Phosphate and potash are two different minerals.
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Fruity says...
Hi everyone
I have a passionfruit that's been in the ground (in good soil) for two years and though it's still alive it just refuses to grow. I planted it against trellis and behind where I grow great tomatoes, so is it the wrong venue?
Btw in the past, in a different garden, I grew passionfruits that went ballistic!
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amanda says...
Hi Fruity...out of curiosity it may b worth gently digging down to the roots of the passionfruit to check that they are healthy...tomatoes are pretty bad for nematodes (and they are in all Aust. soils) maybe the tom's have attracted them to your vine..just a thought?
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Mike says...
Henry,

Your plant lacks potasium, the element of fruit and flowers. Give it a good dose of Yates soluble Flower and Fruit or straight sulpate of potash digging and watering in well
Cheers
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amanda says...
Dekka - I just read your post from long ago about the foliage developing spots etc as a deterrent to Heliconine butterflies (whatever they are?!) - did u see my post about passionfruit virus and the photo?

I will b interested about the diagnosis because the plant seems ok and fruits. It's just not very vigorous - but then that could b my fault..it's a bit out of sight - out of mind...
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Dekka says...
Sorry, Amanda. I can't find your post+pic.
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Here it is Dekka...
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peter says...
have a look at the actual growing tips and see if they are healthy
ive noticed on some of mine that havnt been doing so well that the tips are small and deformed or scragly looking.
this may be a sign of a virus.

panama reds must be ripening at far
north qld during winterbecause i just bought some from woolworths which
come from there.
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Dekka says...
I'd say Magnesium deficiency, especially if you observe small leaf positioned at 4 o'clock-ish in your picture. Probably salt related again.
If not, then perhaps a mosaic virus. Do you get any tough woody fruit?
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amanda says...
Hey Dekka - sorry - I should have posted 'the story'..I sent a fruit and this leaf down to agriculture dept and they said virus...it's now gone to the Uni for an ID. They said it depends what type as to how bad it will b.

The process is taking forever and I don't want to pull it out yet because essentially I don't see it as a problem (however it may b for an industry - so then of course i would remove it)

The leaves generally cup upwards - it's quite noticable and the growth is just not vigorous for a p'fruit. The fruit was really good! (but not a lot of it as yet) and I didn't think it was woody at all.

I will have to wait 4 the diagnosis - but your post b4 got me thinking i guess - as the speckling really does look like moth eggs etc. Seems p'fruit can acquire a vast range of viral diseases...I am wondering if maybe we over-react to some of them?


I feel a bit embarrassed about the loquat thing - my soil not deficient in Mg at all (nor in the H2O)...

lesson: don't rely on local advice! ;)
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jono says...
haven't sent anything since April when I suggested spraying vines with diluted milk. This does work as it adds a number of elements to the growing vine similiar to sulphate of potash.My vines have still many fruit which are all turning crimson red however to date only two have reached the sweet edible stage. I am sure the weather has caused the fruit to forget when it is supposed to ripen. Can anyone give me a guide as to pruning the vines as spring is just around the corner.
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Dekka says...
Hi, Amanda
I found a site with info that made me think of your soil and water issues.

http://www.home-garden-soil-improvement.com/lime-gypsum.html

Are you certain that your Mg is available Mg?
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amanda says...
Hey Dekka - thanks for that! - had a brief look at site - it explains lots. Will study after kiddy tuck in. Much appreciated.

To be honest - this Ca:Mg thing is all new to me - I have handed the soil test over to an agronomist in Perth who specialises in Horticulture to help me out! (they all broadacre specialists here)

For what it's worth the results were:

Exchangeable Mg% = 15-20%
Exchangeable Na% = 2-5%
Ca:Mg ranges from 3.6 - 6.1 in the 6 samples. (eg ratio 3.6 for A sample)

(No Ca% given/tested)

On the table that is Low<->Int<->High:

The Mg% cations = Intermediate
The Na% cations = Intermediate
The Ca:Mg ratio = Intermediate
The salt content = Intermediate

And on another table Low-Marginal-Sufficient-High-Excess

And the Chloride is "sufficient"

(whatever that means!?)

Also the water test hardness = 145 mg/L

I will really have to activate some grey matter and think about these :) Do they make any sense to u?

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Ant'S says...
My fruits about 300 /400 still not sweet, for my taste, but apparantly sweet enough for a colony of cockatoos, who discovered them and had a feast a few days ago. They ate or rather destroyed a good 50, without a complaint. So much for sweetness.
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Brendan says...
Hi Ant'S, try giving your passionfruit some Epsom Salts, that will sweeten them up. Put some Gypsum around the vine and mulch heavily. Don't over-water passionfruit.
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Ellen says...
Brendan

where can one get some gypsum for the garden ?
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Brendan says...
Hi Ellen, bunnings sell it in a 25kg bag here in mackay, or any fertilizer place. I think you can now buy 'liquid gypsum' as well, for quicker results.
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amanda says...
Hi Brendan/Ellen...shop around too..a 5kg bag gypsum in Bunnings = $11. I get a 25kg bag from a local rural supplier for $20...!! The fine grade (like talc) works faster but the coarse grade lasts longer and thus works for longer period of time.

I find Bunnings really expensive myself - their retic fittings are 3 times the price of our local retic people/shop for eg. Has anyone else noticed this?
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Ellen says...
Amanda,

It's true Bunnings' prices are getting up there, I noticed it as well, as I was shoppings for materials to set up my mini garden for Espalier it.

2 bolts eyes with washers = $3.35 75mm in length.

1 galvanised post of 100mm x 100mm (2.25m in length) = $42

= Bunnings

1 bolt with washer = #1.30 (local hardware)

1 galvanised post of 100mm x 100mm ( 7.2 m in length) = $37.50 (plus they will cut it to the customer preferred in sizes and drilled holes already in it as your required preference)

= local hardware near by .

and delivery charge is only half the price compared to what Bunnings charged for delivery too .


BTW regarding the powder lime, I just sprinkle it as is around the plant and that's it?

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Julie says...
Given a choice, I never shop at Bunnings. They have put so many small hardware stores out of business, and now it seems (from this post) they are not even cheaper! Yet this has always been their claim.

I would rather go to a small store and get personal service and advice from an experienced person.
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amanda says...
Hi Ellen n Julie,
Yes just sprinkle and water in...
I always support my local guys 2...they even know my name and we stop n chat (which i love 2 do as u may have noticed ;)...) I get great advice and help from them.
And the Bunnings claim that they will "beat the price by 10%" - I tried it once - what a rigmarole! never again.

A tap valve at my local retic = about $3 - the exact same one @ Bunnings $7...why is this with their bulk buying power? It's a sham i reckon.

They have put 3 local nurseries out of business here - so now there is no variety and many inappropriate selections for our area (= fuschias!!??) Ok - enuf whinging from me :)
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Julie says...
They only put small stores out of business when people desert them and shop at Bunnings! It seems people are suckers for advertising.
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Liz says...
...Bunnings price comparisons with other places vary... I have found them more expensive on a number of things, but cheaper on others... the main advantage from my point of view is that I can get there when they're open (or if I suddenly realise at 8:30pm on a Tuesday night that I don't have something I need to finish something I'm in the middle of...), and they usually have what I want... nothing to do with advertising, I promise! ;-)

...I agree that it's better to have the little local businesses that are more responsive to local needs/conditions... but I'm afraid that the convenience wins out in the interests of getting things done in my ridiculously busy life!
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amanda says...
Hi Passionfruit growers - this was the verdict from the Ag Dept(on the passionfruit pictured):


Brenda Coutts sent your plant to a University specialist for identification. Your passionfruit was diagnosed with woodiness virus, for which there is no control. There are mild, medium and severe strains of this virus. The disease is worse in cool weather. Plants can sometimes recover with the mild strains, but the severe strain will result in greatly reduced yields and quality.

She claims all passionfruit have viruses. Mine have a poty virus but are doing quite well.

John Burt

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peter says...
hi amanda,
is this vine with the virus the sunshine
special that you have only one of?
just remembered reading a post a while back which said some viruses travel up
the stem and branches in the sap and
you can heavily fertilize the vine
with high levels of phosporous which
makes the growing tips grow quickly
and out run the virus.
you can then take the tips and strike
a cutting which will be virus free.
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amanda says...
Thanks Peter - yes that's the one. I don't think it's too severe at all - I got some nice fruit off it. I think u may b right as the new growth doesn't seem to b speckled - I think I will try it! It's too nice a fruit to let go of just yet.
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peter says...
how would you rate the fruit against
the panama red.
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amanda says...
Ummm.. the sunshine has a bit more of the black/purple flavour to it (ie: more character) and I think it would do better (the sunshine) in cooler conditions. It's a bigger fruit and lots of pulp. As far as mine goes I think it's a winner - could b better without the virus - but definitely superior to traditional black/purples.

Unless u have a nice warm spot for a panama then u may want to look closer at this one Peter. It's one of the main commercial varieties and they don't back losers! :)

I am going to get one from Daleys at some stage and give it another go for sure.
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peter says...
im planning on putting a panama in a
glasshouse and will also get two
sunshines, one for the glasshouse and one outside.
daleys havnt got any available at the
moment but hopfully they will by springtime.
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amanda says...
Wow - must b a big glasshouse Peter! I think u will b happy with both selections to b honest..the panama seems to be a prolific bearer wherever I have seen it (in warm climates) but the sunshine is obviously a tough customer..and the fruit is equal at least (I think I mentioned b4 I am a p'fruit addict - so they all taste wonderful to me - especially if I don't have to pay 2 bucks each for them!) Good luck! :)
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randey says...
hi amanda, long time no talk. hey i love the photo, ready to slash and burn huh. will try and get back into the forum soon as i have to reduce my work load.
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amanda says...
Hi Randey! Yup...the cutter is my "therapy". It's a u beaut honda 4 stroke..my only serious garden toy.. :( It's flat out here getting everything ready for summer too... going to get hubby on the end of the wheelbarrow n shift 20 cubic m of wood chip....groan... catch u soon!
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Jimmy says...
I just got myself a SEP sickle bar mower.

That would do a good job up there.

www.sep.it
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amanda says...
Jimmy - I am green!...I can't see a spot to put a stubby tho' !!?? Gotta have a drink holder mate! :)
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Jimmy says...
I'm too fat for that, walk behind and get skinny...well that's the theory anyway.

I have the supersmart model, with sickle, rotary hoe, potato plough, moulboard plough and dual wheels for traction.

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Jimmy says...
PS The rideon is at Mum's place, she is too old to push a mower.
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Anne says...
Hi Amanda, When you say you tied up blocks in the vines to keep the possums away what do you mean by blocks? Pardon my ignorance.
Anne
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amanda says...
Hi Anne - some of the rat/mouse baits come in a block with a hole in the middle (eg Talon) so u can tie or nail them up out of reach. Not for possums...(don't have them here and they are protected anyway I think?)
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ant's says...
Thanks Brendan, Sorry been a bit too busy with work, will give them a go.
However, they are getting slightly sweeter and eatable. Now my plants (2) are dropping a lot of leaves, while at the same time a lot of new vegetation (Shoots) coming from the branches.
Have a nice day,Ant's
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mike says...
you guys have not tasted good passion fruit until you taste the rare fruit from Ruby Glow Passion. oh my God. it is awesome. we got lucky last year and had only one. talk about tasty treasure.
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Jantina says...
Hi Mike, can you tell me what sort of conditions Ruby Glow needs? Thanks.
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culebra says...
Do we have Ruby Glow Passionfruit in Aus?
i had not heard of it til now.

is this it?:

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/53806/

if so i am already in love with the flower. its really something.
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mike says...
hi Jantina. the same growing conditions that would have for any plant. south facing location (in your case north facing) and rich loamy soil. I have the purple passion planted across from hoping for cross pollination for the past few years without any luck.

yes culebra that's it. the pics don't do the flower justice. the fragrance is absolutely intoxicating. it worth planting just for the showy bloom. Its mid summer in Southern California and the vine is already in bloom. these pics I took last year
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Jantina says...
Thanks Mike that looks wonderful. Ok over to Peter in Adelaide, what can you tell us Peter, can we get this in Oz and will it grow down south? Thanks.
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culebra says...
I'd definitely consider planting one of these for the flowers alone!
they're amazing.
Thanks for sharing the photos Mike.
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peter says...
hi jantina,
yes you can get these in oz, or at least something almost identical, but im pretty sure its the same thing,
heaps of strong smelling flowers.
ive had one for a while now in my glass
house but nearly lost it last year during the heat wave.
i had it outside before that and it was flowering but was only young at the time
guess where i got it from.
hows the panama berry going?
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Jantina says...
Hi Peter, you're not going to say Bunnings surely! Has yours fruited? The Panama berry thought it was a tad cold here and decided to drop it's leaves but under the bark it's still nice and green so it will probably sprout again soon. Going to put it somewhere warmer next winter so it keeps fruiting, I like having a little snack as I go by.
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peter says...
hi again,
i think the pamama berries do drop their
leaves from time to time when its cold
so it will come back.
no the passi didnt come from bunnings.
any one else want to have a guess?
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peter says...
no mine hasnt fruited yet, i tryed
hand pollinating dozens of flowers
last year before the heat wave but
with no fruit set.
hoping for better luck this year.
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Jantina says...
Peter did you import the seed?
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Jantina says...
Hey Peter while I'm picking your brains do you know where I can get P incarnata? Thanks
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amanda says...
I obtained seed of this passionfruit from a local nursery/pet store...I couldn't get it to grow tho' n now they don't have it. I bet u got it from a supermarket peter?
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peter says...
jantina
i have imported passi seeds before but
not of this kind.
havnt seen p. incanata any where but will keep my eyes open for it.

amanda
was purchased as a plant but not from
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Toby says...
Where did you guys get your panama berries from? I've been looking for about a year or more and can't find them anywhere.
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amanda says...
Daleys of course!? (to Toby n Peter..?)
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peter says...
hi amanda,
yep daleys, i actually mentioned it to
you a while back on another passi thread.
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Toby says...
Yeah, they've been "seeking propogation material" for panama berries for a long time now. I haven't seen them available, maybe I've just timed it badly.
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amanda says...
Good one Peter! so much to grow n so little time/space! I tried to get Panama berry too Toby - u need to click on the "E-mail me when available" thingo....they did become avail at one stage but I was too slow as there were only 3 from memory..good luck! :)
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Jantina says...
HI Peter , I admit to being confused. Are you saying you got your plant from Daleys? I thought Amanda said Daleys in response to the Panama berry question.
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peter says...
hi jantina,
amanda said to toby and peter so i asumed she was saying that id got the plant from daleys.
which is in fact correct.
they have some listed as being in stock at the moment but having second thoughts about your colder climate i think it may struggle unless you have a warm spot for it or your could cover it with clear plastic over winter.
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Jantina says...
Thanks Peter, I looked at Daleys yesterday and could not see any listed as Ruby Glow. Could you tell me what it is listed as please. Yes I can give it a warm spot and /or cover it in winter. Thanks.
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peter says...
hi jantina,
the one i am refering to is the sweet
lilliko which is also refered to as
passiflora alata and the fragrant
granadilla. technically it is not a ruby
glow bit if you do a search on ruby glow
it is said that the ruby glow is commonly refered to as passiflora alata.
the leaves, stems, and flowers are exactly the same as well as having an
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Jantina says...
Thankyou Peter,I'm taking action.
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amanda says...
Hi Jantina n Peter - here is a pic of the seed packet (they call it an alata) if it's any help. I don't know if the supplier still exists - I will google n see.
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Jantina says...
Many thanks Amanda.
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Toby says...
Hi Amanda - re the panama berry - Daley's had at least 1 today and I was so excited as I managed to add it to my order - only to get the message "WA quarantine won't allow these" or something.

I contacted Daley's pleading for them to hold it for me while I asked quarantine if it was possible to import but Kath contacted me and said they don't send them to WA. So it's back to the drawing board for me, and the panama berry has sold now anyway. :(
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amanda says...
Hi Toby ... WA Quarantine is becoming very tiresome isn't it?? I understand the need for it but there are so many things they DO allow that are just as bad....but then WA has always been regarded as a Nanny state..? Cape gooseberries are already here...so why ban them? People who want to buy panama berries are possibly mature gardeners that wouldn't let it get out of control anyway...who wants a rampant weed?
I think it sucks personally. :(
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Jimmy says...
what's the botanic name?
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Jantina says...
If you are referring to the Panama berry it's Muntingia calabura I think.
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au0rey says...
Do earwigs feed on passionfruit leaves? The tender young leaves on mine were eaten and I have some slugs and earwigs in the garden but havent found any on the plant though.
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Wayne says...
Hello Igor
Wow! you certainly are on the other side of the world. If we can get through customs I'm sure we can help you.

I note your address is merryrogerATmail.ru, we would say @ not AT, just confirm that to atfieldwayne@hotmail.com
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Karen &amp; Paul says...
Phil I would love one of these passionfruit, the flower is spectacular. What is the fruit like? Do you know where I could get one around here? We are in Pottsville, not far from you :-)
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M Nash says...
Me too??
I'm at Terranora
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Phil says...
I have a number of seedlings coming up - will see if they do ok and you're welcome to some.
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Karen &amp; Paul says...
Oooh sounds good Phil thanks. Let us know how they go :-) wahholdings@dodo.com.au
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Armin says...
Phil, I wish you best of luck in growing the p.antioquiensis. After 5 years of trying it has me beat! I really don't like your chances in Murwillumbah/Northern NSW.
Of well over 100 plants which I have germinated from seed not one even reached half way to maturity. About the largest I could get them to grow is as per the plants in the back row of the photo.
p.antioquiensis really does live up to its reputation of being the most tempramental passiflora to grow!
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Jantina says...
Hi Armin, any idea why your plants haven't thrived?
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Armin says...
Hi Jantina,
I have learned so much about growing p.atioquiensis over the past 5 years of research and in which time I have unsucessfully tried to grow it.
It comes down to it being a very, very sensitive/temperamental plant to grow. It hasn't adapted very well from the growing conditions where it originates in the cool, overcast, mountainous regions of south America.
It germinates very easily from seed and it is very easy to grow healthy seedlings. The problem is when it gets to a few feet tall this is when it will often die very quicky and for no apparent reason. One minute it is thriving and healthy and virtually the next minute it is dead. It also is very susceptible to dieing from virus's. If you are growing it you need to make sure the soil is absolutely sterile. It has an extremely sensitive root system. I killed one entire batch once by accident since I transplanted the seedlings into black plastic pots. They were growing well but one day they were in too much direct sunlight and the heat of the black plastic pots heating up in the sun caused the soil to warm up enough to kill every single plant.
Since it originates from areas with cool mountain air it hates humidity. This is why in my opinion Phil will have trouble growing it in Murwillumbah. It would be great if he could prove me wrong! My seed originally came from NZ, USA and UK.
The photos below are of what the very healthy plants look like (right) and of a sick plant on its way to heaven.
I grow many exotic varieties of passifloras and the reason I wanted to grow p.antioquiensis in particular is because it undoubtedly is the most deliciously flavoursome of all of the edible passionfruit species.
If any Tasmanians are reading this I think it would grow very well in Tassie.
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Jantina says...
Thanks for the extensive reply Armin, that explains why it grows well in NZ.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Hey thanks for the warning - will try and keep them out of the sun. Am in the mountains behind Murwillumbah so maybe the cooler conditions will help. Fingers crossed.
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amanda says...
Hi Armin - thanks for the info! I have two banana passionfruit vines and one of them hs recently dropped all of it's leaves due to the hot easterly winds - it's very sad. The other one is a bit more sheltered and thus hanging in a bit better.

I doubt they will make it thru' our summer. It doesn't make any difference if I give them more water.
I am amazed they are considered a weed in some parts - as I find them very touchy!
The other passionfruits are thriving (panamas and blacks) in the sme positions. The difference in the leaves between the species really tells the story - the banana pass' leaves are so much softer and more fragile - indicating a need for the kind of climate you have mentioned maybe?
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HappyEarth says...
Im not so sure that they are a weed ... at least not around sydney. The passionfruit that is very weedy is what is called blue passionfruit (not sure the botanical name) and looks different to banana passionfruit. It is generally the passionfruit used to graft other varieties onto it. It suckers very badly and is almost impossible to get rid off once established - even with poison. I see it coming up in our local bush regularly.

I grow the regular black passionfruit from seed and it fruits well!

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Dekka says...
There's an awful lot of evidence that Banana Passionfruit is very nasty given the right conditions.

http://www.weeds.org.au/cgi-bin/weedident.cgi?tpl=plant.tpl&state=&s=&ibra=all&card=E04

http://www.weeds.asn.au/weeds/txts/psnfruit.html

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Brendan says...
Hi All,
For what it's worth, I'm fairly sure the Banana Passionfruit IS classed as a weed here in Queensland.

I grow a yellow one, I think it's called Tropical Yellow. It's one of the best passionfruits I've tasted. Sweet as. (probably because I feed it epsom salts :-)
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amanda says...
Hi Brendan - where did you get the seed for yours? Maybe I need one tat is more suited to a warmer climate. Mine are just plants I picked up at Bunnings - they are "home brand" :)
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Armin says...
Hi Amanda,
I am surprised you can'y grow the common old banana passionfruit. It sure does grow as easy as a weed. I found two in the edge of the garden this afternoon which had germinated from seeds (from fallen fruit last season) growing in loose mulch.
They require so little care and grow like a rampant vine up any structure near by.
It is amazing that the common banana passionfruit (p.molissima) and the red banana passionfruit (p. antioquiensis) have almost identical looking leaves and are very closely related yet they are such different plants in their behaviour in the one grows like a weed and the other is so tempramental and virtually impossible to grow unless it has ideal conditions.
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Armin says...
Yes the blue passionflower (p. caerulea) is a very vigorous plant which is why it is used as a rootstock for common grafted varieties such as Nellie Kellie etc.
The runners come up from everywhere and it is very hard to get rid of once well established.
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
PS - BTW, the fruit in the photo are from P. antioquiensis. They are grown as a food crop in Madeira
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Brendan says...
Hi amanda,
I got the Tropical Yellow passionfruit seeds from my brother, God knows where he got them from. I think I have some seeds if you want some. I'll have to check, as their 'use-by' date could be up too, I'll get back to you here:-)

To help stop spam, just disguise your email address, and somehow put it at the bottom of your answer. eg, amandaathotmaildotcomdotau :-), or, if you don't want to do that, here's mine: bahiggoatmackaydotnetdotau. (My name is brendan higgins)
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amanda says...
Thanks Brendan - I would love to try them! Here is a pic of mine - as u might be able to see - it's trying to grow over to the shady, sheltered side that has the acacia tree behind it and the branches on the right (exposed) have dropped all their leaves. It has a light pink flower.
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Brendan says...
Hi amanda,
Gee I like your passionfruit trellis, way to go! What type and what does your fruit taste like?

Yep, I've found some Tropical Yellow passionfruit seeds. I might send some to Wayne (in Mky) too.

Just go back to my post yesterday and use the info on the bottom line. It's my email addy. Send me an email with your postal addy, and I will send you the goods. Don't think there's an easier way, is there?
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amanda says...
Ok Brendan - I send u an e-mail 2day. The trellis is actually the windbreak for my orchard! Bit wild here. Mine are only 6 months so no fruit yet - have got some flowers now tho'. They are "home brand" Bunnings vines - so no name :-(
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Brendan says...
Hi amanda,
Have not received any email yet:-(. Did you send one?

Check my addy again:-)

Looks like there's two 'Brendans' now on this forum. I see you asked the other one about squishing some bugs, that wasn't me hey:-)
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Marcel says...
It seems a lot of folks are having trouble with their grafted Nellie Kellys.

I planted one about 10 years ago and althought the fruitstock died the rootstock is still running amok under my pergola. This particular rootstock is basically uncontrollable by pruning because it suckers from roots.

To check whether your rootstock has taken over compare the flowers to a known healthy purple vine that fruits well. I think you'll find the Nellie flowers considerably more colorful.

If you bought a grafted it's quite possible that you only bought a rootstock anyway as I've seen several seedlings in the local Bun...gs that had a healthy rootstock but the fruitstock was all but dead. On one the fruitstock had fallen out and you could see the old graft v plainly.

Now I only ever grow ungrafted. I feel it's much safer if you have room for a couple in case one is a dud.
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gary says...
hi all the last post i put up was on march 15.i had suckers everywhere,fruit was soft & a reddish colour even the birds didn't like them.so as i said i went down a pulled out all suckers i made sure there no foliage from the ground up to 60cm.there was not much left of the plants but this year they have come back covered in flower and some fruit all over with no sign of that soft reddish fruit.its all looking good maybe i'll have to net them to keep the birds from getting them.i'll let you's know what happenings soon. But just in case it all goes pear shape my wife has bought me a NON GRAFTED passionfruit plant for $6.
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Karen &amp; Paul says...
Hi all you great passionfruit growers :-) Prior to the big move into our new house I read this post avidly as we considered transplanting three vines to the new garden. We ended up bringing one with us and it was so happy for about a week. Once it went in the ground it slowly starting drooping and now it looks very sad. I do hold hope however as the stem is still strong and green and the other day after a night of heavy rain I noticed one leaf was standing up and dancing :-)
So my questions - I recall someone listing a nice little recipe of nutrients for a passionfruit in transplant shock but cannot find that listing now, any clues? Also our site is heavy clay. We dug a rather large hole and added homemade compost for her but I have noticed a lot of mention of gypsum here, should I feed her some and how?
We seriously have so much work to do to even start the gardens that I'm not sure why I am so obsessed with this little battler, I guess I just want to have at least one edible up and running to say it's all been worth it hehehe. Thanks in advance
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amanda says...
My passionfruits have started flowering - so Perth-ites should see action soon! I am harvesting my black grafted nellie kellies now (vine planted this winter) The seedling Pan red and Sunshine special off n running and the grafted Pan red n golds still at the starting gate.

Karen - I transplanted a 1yr old grafted black nellie this winter and it has grown fine (but no flowers - which I expected) - give it some Seaweed tonic and gypsum. Gypsum comes as either a fine or coarse powder or as a liquid. I have recently converted to the liquid and will swear by it. You just follow the instructions on the packet. It migt be best to lay off any fert's until it picks up again. Liquid seaweed will be enough for now. Give it some shade if gets hot too.
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Karen &amp; Paul says...
Thanks Amanda, we did rig up a little shade for her as it is so blazing hot right now. I will make it a bit better today and give her a little feed of your recommendations.
Have a great Christmas over there in the West, all the best ;-)
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Diana says...
Hi Karen,

I think passionfruits generally do transplant well. I did the same as you a couple of years ago, and moved 2 panama passionfruits that were a year old to a new house, also with clay soil. They were transplanted as one metre stems with quite a large root ball and a few leaves in January. They lost those leaves, but started growing well with new leaves a few months later, and never looked back. I treated them the same as a new planting (planted them with compost dug in, on a liver covered with some clay for them to send roots to, watered in with seaweed).

Good luck and happy christmas,

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Karen &amp; Paul says...
Oh the liver thing! I forgot about that :-( Oh well will see how we go without it. Yes I am feeling confident. Thanks for the pep talk :-) Have a great happy and safe Christmas
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Diana says...
Thanks Karen,

No worries, most people do not do strange things like planting liver in the back yard, and they are fine without it!

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au0rey says...
Hi Diana...I am totally blown away by the edibles you have and they are doing so great! I made a few comments/questions about your passionfruit, carolina black rose, lemongrass and sweet potato...can you reply them? Thanks!
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Ileana says...
Not Sure I agree with James' comment at all . I have two new grafted plants, one black one panama red. They are oval at the base but exactly as picture at the growing tip. So as long as they are not growing under the graft mark it will be the grafter variety.
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Diana says...
Hi Au0rey,

Thanks very much. I have had no problems with this grape, except the puppy chewing it intially so we had to put wire around the stem for a while. I gave it a narrow trellis to climb up, attached to the patio support post, then trained two stems on either side along horizontal pieces of wood attached to the patio posts, with the side shoots going horizontally outwards onto a couple of wires (like a clothesline out from the patio roof). When it was dormant, I cut it right back to the main upright stem and a metre or so of the four main leaders (two on each side). It has fruited on these sections this year. It is two years old. Grapes need severe pruning back nearly to the main stem (the one with brown flaky bark not green stem) in the first dormant period, apparently.

I am in Brisbane, which seems to be a perfect climate for rampant sweet potatoes and lemongrass. I don't think they would get so large in Melbourne. Sweet potatoes might die back if you have frost (we have no frost at the back of the house, and maybe 3 or 4 days of light frost at the front). I have heard that you can eat the shoots. The chooks really like them. Sweet potatoes are great to grow under trees, they do the digging and mulchig for you if you give them time.

West Indian lemongrass gets bigger than East Indian, and I think it would be a bit smaller in Victoria. I think East Indian doesn't flower. I only prune it from the bottom for mulch, because I am using it as a screen.

Good luck with your grape. If the adult leaves are normal, perhaps it isn't such a problem?

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au0rey says...
Thanks Diana! Really appreciate your help!
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amanda says...
Hi au0rey, here's one of my passionfrit vines that I don't feed anything but manure, woodchip etc. It gets lots of water (but I have sandy-loam) and some worm wee. That's about it. I have just given it potash to make the lazy sod flower! :-)))
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amanda19
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Brendan says...
Hi amanda,
Try giving your passionfruit vine a spray of Condys. Put a pinch (no more) of Condys in 9 litres of water, a 'good' wetting agent (eg Spreadmax), and spray your vine twice a week. That will speed up the flowering :-)
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Brendan
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3rd January 2010 8:23am
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amanda says...
Cheers Brendan! It carried a massive crop right thru' winter as it flowered in our weird autumn last year...of course I couldn't prune it in spring then!
It's got loads of new growth and is making those funny little non-flower leaf bracts at the leaf-stem junctions and has produced about 4 flowers and then stopped. With all this hot weather we are having I was sure it would have geared up by now? It's a Panama red seedling - when do they flower over there?
Maybe I am just too impatient!? ;-)
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Brendan says...
Hi amanda,
My 'pruned back' Panama Red has ~ 10 BIG fruit on now, and it's still flowering. They don't look like ripening though? They're just getting bigger :-)

I was always led to believe that fruit matures earlier here in the tropics, compared to southern areas?

Give it the Condys brew, you will be pleasantly surprised :-)
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amanda says...
Ah I am jealous Brendan!! The climate is not very "southern" here Brendan. You would be surprised to know that u can grow mangoes etc in many parts of Perth and then cherries in winter! Geraldton is in the Mid West and has a very long hot growing season and mild, sunny winter - no frost at all. A bit similar to Brisbane maybe a bit hotter.
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Jess says...
Hey guys, been scanning the forum after a clue on how to get my plants to grow.

i have a nelly kelly black grafted passionfruit which seems to be stunted in growth. Its only a few months old but its just not growing. The leaves are all very soft and small and tend to curl. Neither this plant nor my panama gold plant have grown tendrils - although the panama seems to be pretty healthy and is getting taller & taller.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Jess1
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4th January 2010 2:55pm
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Brad says...
My newly bought Nelly Kelly is extremely vigorous - as soon as the tendrils grab something it shoots up. I'm not sure what would cause a lack of tendrils. A random guess would be that if the first tendrils had nothing to grab, maybe it stops putting out tendrils?

Its not a huge expense to replace if yours is only young. Just double check to see if there's anything you can control that is causing the lack of growth. without a photo or more information, its hard to say
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4th January 2010 5:18pm
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Brad says...
Another thought Jess as I build mine a wire to climb - is yours perhaps climbing something that gets very hot - e.g. a metal trellis in the sun? I could imagine that making it hard for the vine to get hold and climb
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Jess says...
Thanks for your help.

It is a wire trellis but dont think this is the problem. the plants have had very minimal contact with the trellis as this stage - the tendrils have just never got further than about half a centimetre long - they just look like little spines on the stem.
I've since dug both the plants out - i read somewhere that the symptons may be a sign of nutrient deficiency. The soil they were in hadn't been conditioned at all and grass was starting to grow over the area in which they were planted. I guess the grass could be starving them as well?? Have put them in container for now with some chook poo & have added some lime, mulch & chook poo to the soil where i intend to replant them (it was pretty clayey).

I'll let you know how i fair.
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6th January 2010 3:04pm
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amanda says...
Hi Jess get some soft material or such and tie them lightly to the trellis next time. I have to do this cos' of the wind for mine - once they get bigger they don't need it as much.

No tendrils is weird - can u post a photo? Maybe it's just not warm enuf' yet? They go mental (here) once the hot weather arrives.
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7th January 2010 12:09pm
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Jess says...
We had about 2 weeks of 35 - 40oC temps before chrissy but it's much cooler now & getting alot of rain.

I'm pretty convinced its a nutrients deficiency as the new 3 pronged leaves on the black passi. are kind of deformed - like it has 2 normal prongs and then kind of a screwed up bump for the 3rd prong. Leaves on the yellow passi. are all oval besides a couple of new ones which seem pretty good.

If thats not the problem then i'm stumped.

I'll post a photo tonight.

Could the grass have been causing problems?

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amanda says...
Hi Jess - grass is pretty greedy stuff - but let's look at the pic first - passionfruit get viruses also and this could be the problem - but it's really hard to tell without seeing it.
Passionfruit woodiness virus can be a cause of malformed leaves - look closely for any yellow speckling or mottling on the leaves. The fruit (when it comes) may also be mostly pith - but it depends on the severity. I have a sunshine special with this and it produces a smaller crop but of good fruit - so I have left it in.
Hopefully this isn't your problem.
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Jess says...
Having problems with transferring the pics onto the p.c. but i would probably agree with your prognosis. there are a few leaves at the base that are yellowing and tend to be a bit spotty - leaves at the top are ok - just small and deformed. i've just bought a new plant that already has tendrils - the difference in the two plants is massive so pretty sure it has a virus.
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10th January 2010 3:26pm
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amanda says...
Hi Jess. Bummer! Well look at it this way - for the price of a new plant it's worth replacing it - you could persist with the possibly infected one and it would grow - but it will never be a good producer. That's going to waste your time, effort and water.
Most passionfruit viruses are spread by grafting efforts and sap suckers (from what I have googled) so hopefully your new one safe. I think I have the same problem with one of my black grafted nellie kellies too. I am waiting for a fruit to diagnose.
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11th January 2010 10:39am
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Jess says...
Yeh - am going to give the sick one a couple more weeks in its new environment just to see if anything improves but if i dont see some kind of improvement it might have to go to passionfruit heaven :(

Thanks for your help :)
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11th January 2010 1:22pm
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Stephen says...
Im another victim of the the great passion fruit switch purchased from bunnings just doubled checked the label it says Black and mine looks the same as Liyarra post 28/5/2009.

This is the third year . Last year i was picking fruit in October its first fruiting which seemed strange to me.
This year they are just turning deep red some early drops are bitter but full of pulp still good in a fruit salad tho.

I have 5 plants all up 3 others are getting a whipping from tree rats "possiums "

My 5th looks unhealthy see picture
Can someone shed some light on what might be wrong its in a north aspect.
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31st January 2010 3:24pm
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Lee says...
Hi there.. please help!!
we have planted a panama red. It has taken off and now full of fruit. The problem is the fruit are saying green, then turning yellow shriveling and rotting then falling off the vine???? Thankyou.
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Lee7
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27th February 2010 9:06am
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amanda says...
Hi Lee - got more info? How old is your vine, your soil type, watering frequency? etc
If it's full of fruit and a young vine - it may not be able to "support" all the fruit. Make sure the soil is moist for at least a meter radius out from the trunk. Give it a feed of seasol, cow or sheep poo and some trace elements now. It's about all u can do at this stage.
Is the actual vine healthy? Does any of the fruit have puncture marks?
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27th February 2010 11:09am
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Jason says...
Went outside to look at the passionfruit vine yesterday and saw some flowers on the way.
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27th February 2010 11:15pm
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amanda says...
Hey jason - out of interest - does your vine run north to south - or east to west?
What kind is it and how old?

I am really interested in this info...thanks!
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27th February 2010 11:20pm
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Jason says...
Its in a large pot and growing up the side of a patio. Its prob 1 year old now (approx).

Its out the back and gets the afternoon sun. so facing west, if that helps.

Flowers are fantastic looking, almost fake.
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Jason says...
Sorry missed a bit, Nellie Kelly from Bunnings as a smallish pot, around $8
Looking at photos, must have been around Jan 2009. (so just over a year old)

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amanda says...
Thanks Jason, I was just wondering if vines would be better running from north to south - as they would get morning and afternoon sun (bit hard in the suburbs I know)

Traditionally people seem to face them north (so they run east to west) which means they get less sun.
In a cooler climate I was thinking this could make a lot of difference to flowering etc.

As it's hotter up here - my vines started flowering some time ago. I have noticed a huge increase in flowers with the heatwave...they really like their heat and sun (panamas) but even the blacks are flowering again.

I am really interested in passionfruit as people seem to have some problems with them. Wouldn't it be great if vine orientation sorted most of them out..!?
I will keep researching ;-)
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Jason says...
...or with the success your having up there, we can send you our passionfuit vines and you can send us back boxes of fruit.
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amanda says...
Oh Jason... I wouldn't be able to part with the fruit! I rarely give away these and my spuds...they are just too good ;-)
I adore p'fruit and at $2 each in shop - it is my gardening mission to grow them well - hence my zeal!?
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amanda says...
Passionfruit heatwave response....thought some might be interested in this. The fruit formed during and after our heatwave (one week of 40+ temps and <20% humidity) have shrivelled up and many flowers have aborted.

These two fruit are sequential on the stem (one b4 and one after the heatwave) I was away for 4 days this weekend and they didn't get water. All seven vines have done this. I hope it helps someone.
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Tiggerbow says...
Hi All,
I have a passionfruit vine which is about 1 year old. It has grown very well, the trunk is getting thicker and the leaves lush and green. I was not expecting any flowers or fruit this year, but last night I found 2 open flowers and 2 closed flowers. I am pretty sure that this is the wrong time of the year for the vine to be flowering. I think it is because of the massive amount of rain we had on Monday and the humidity we have had every since. Does anyone think these flowers may turn into fruit?
Thanks !
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Araich says...
March is the right time me thinks. Mine is still flowering and setting fruit.
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amanda says...
Tiggerbow - Mine started flowering (again) after the rain too! Last year this vine flowered very late and carried the fruit thru' winter - with the majority ripening in spring (it's first year). Just up to the bees now...
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amanda says...
PS Tiggerbow....I picked this 2day! I couldn't wait for it to drop! It was superb....(same vine above - panama red seedling) good luck with yours!
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Tiggerbow says...
Thanks Amanda and Araich.
It is good news ! I just hope my flowers turn into fruit.
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Keffufal says...
I have a passionfruit which I grew from seed and for long time it didn't even flower, finally now it has a lot of flowers but no fruit despite trying hand-pollination. The leaves and vines are growing like crazy up the trees, so I will have a go and try one (or more) of the 13 solutions I found have on this page! What I was wondering was whether I should just let the vine ramble wherever it wants, or would it be better to trim it back and make it more compact? I am ok with the birds getting some of the higher fruits that I can't reach as long as I get some of the lower fruits! Cheers Keffufal
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allan says...
I planted a banana and a big boppa yellow passion fruit in Nov 09 - bought them from Bunnings. Both vines doing very well - and started flowering this week.
The banana variety has an all pink flower and the big boppa yellow has a dark purple/white flower - heaps of them.
Flowering in late April - is that normal ?? It is now late April and getting cold. We do get frost in early spring. I had to pull out a Panama red and a Panama gold that I planted in late Jan 09 bcos the frost in aug/sept just about destroyed the young shoots and leaves. Like all seasonal fruits - I thought they would flower in early spring and not late autumn.
Any one has any previous experience with these varieties. All comments and advice - most welcome.
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Armin says...
Alan your banana passionfruit (p.mollissima)should do well in Melboure since it is a cold climate variety.
The big big boppa sounds like it is p.flavicarpa (from your flower description) so you will have a real challenge getting fruit to mature in Melbourne since it is a real tropical variety.
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allan says...
Thanks Amin, my main concern is whether it is the correct time/season for it to for flower. Rather odd for a plant to flower this time of the year. Thanks
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amanda says...
Hi Allan - all my passionfruit vines are flowering happily - and so is my peach tree.... crazy juxtaposition but there u go. My panama red fully flowered in late autumn last yr and carried the green fruit thru till spring and then they ripened.
Don't worry - maybe we have mucking around so much with the breeding and selection of our plants they don't know what is normal anymore...or maybe it's the weather ;-)

I have 5 different varieties. Panamas are probably marginal for your climate. Better to go with "purples" - see if u can get a Sunshine Special also.
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allan says...
Thanks Amanda. I am not hopeful that my passionfruit will hold its fruit thru the cold Melb winter. At least now I know that it is flowering out of season (and heaps of it too). Now I will just hope that when spring comes - it will bear flowers. This odd time flowering is too good to be true. Well my apricot and plum tress will flower in spring and most has lost all its leaves. Good luck to your peaches. My neighbour has a Nellie Kelly black - heaps of fruit but I find them too sour/tarty - even when plucked late and left to shrivel up. That is why I try to plant a different variety. It has thrived so far but whether it can withstand the cold winter is another matter. Time will tell. I got two fuyu persimmon trees - full of beautiful ripe fruits at the moment - about ten years old and a few hundred fruits. Thanks.
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amanda says...
Hi again Allan, passionfruit fruit on new growth so if u trim up your vine in spring u should get flowers again :)
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allan says...
Thanks Amanda, I will trim the vines in late august
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Saftag says...
Hi All
I have a Daley's Misty Gem that is growing like mad and flowering ATM. Does anyone think it will fruit? I'd be amazed coz it's only been in the ground for a couple of months. Its sister is progressing slowly but surely as are the red and yellow panamas but this one has grown like wild fire. It's hit the head of it's 6ft trellis and keeps spreading branches? all over the place. I don't really want to cut it back (although I think it needs it) coz I want to see what fruit I get.
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peter says...
hi saftag,
passionfriut fruit on new growth so i
would leave it until spring then
cut it back.

if you are in adelaide would you be interested in selling/swapping
some cuttings of the misty gem.
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Christina says...
My purple passionfruit vine, purchased at the local market 5 years ago, is still going strong and doing wonderfully.
It didn't produce many fruit over summer but now,late in Autumn,is laden with dozens and dozens of large, green healthy fruit.
My concern is that this late in the season, with the cooler weather and less warm sunlight,the fruit may not ripen.
Can anyone tell me whether this late crop is likely to ripen or will it sadly remain green?
We get cool winters here but no frost.

Thanks.
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ruffwood says...
Food, food and more food. They are voracious feeders. If you can bury some bone dust or some such about 2 ft down and about 2 ft from the stem of your plant. It will go crazy. I met someone who buried their cat ( no offense intended here ) near their passion fruit vine unintentionally and the damn thing has produced 100s of fruit. Also, bees, put lots of flowers around the vine, I planted nasturtiums coz they are hardy, cheap and edible and the bees love em. More bees = more fruit.
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John Mc says...
Hey Christina,
With the cooler weather comming on they probably won't ripen now but they will stay on the vine and ripen when it warms up again.
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Christina says...
Thanks for the replies.

I have noticed that a few otherwise healthy green fruit are now dropping off - any way of preventing this?

Hope the rest don't follow suit as it would be such a waste!
The vine tends to yellow and lose a lot of its leaves in winter also.

Thanks.
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Rhys says...
I'm in much the same situation as you Christina. Except in my case, i only bought the plant in November, and wasn't expecting it to flower until next spring, but it really took off and covered it's trellis, and then put some flowers out in about March, and nice, green fruit soon followed, and there are probably close to 50 on the vine. I have had two ripen so far, and quite a few others are turning purple, but i think it is slowing down due to the cold weather so it will be interesting to see what happens over winter. I'll try and remember to post back with progress, and i'd be interested to hear how you go as well.
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amanda says...
Hi Christina, it has cooled right down here at night and my vines are dropping most of the newly formed fruit (only) - the large green fruit are fine and the odd one may ripen thru winter then rest in spring.

The fruit that are dropping - are they the small new one's? Are they sort of wrinkly?
If it's the big one's then ruffwoods suggestion the go - give it some food - something liquid will work fast and then something slow release. I just gave mine some miracle grow and a half barrow load of pig manure as it is loaded - both with fruit and leaves. It takes a lot for a plant to sustain such vigorous growth.
I have cut back on the water a bit too now - but check the top soil - as they have very shallow surface feeder roots - they shouldn't dry out.
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Christina says...
Hi Ryhs,

Interesting to hear about your passionfruit vine and how it's going because you're just down the road from me!
Wow! Yours really has taken off in a very short time - I wouldn't have expected flowers or fruit till next season either!

Mine is a Norfolk Black, growing along our east-facing back fence. It really doesn't get full sun, as we back onto the national park with tall trees overhanging,as well as a ridgeline, so the vine is in shade for at least some of the day.

As you would know, we've had about 10 days of almost non-stop rain and cloudy days where we haven't seen the sun much at all!

With the lack of sun and warmth,all the fruit are really green with not a hint of ripening.5 months is a long time for them to last like this on the vine!

Anyway, let me know how yours go and if they last the winter.
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Christina says...
Hi Amanda,

Thanks for the info. I will try feeding my vine with some liquid Thrive and then some cow manure. Or is chicken poo better?
I guess blood and bone would be fine as well?

No, the couple of fruit that have fallen off so far are large,fully formed ,green and smooth - no wrinkles at all.

We have had an awful lot of rain and some of the leaves are yellowing and falling off. I've noticed that the vine does tend to die back a fair bit in winter.

We have many many bees in our garden as there is a wild beehive in the gumtree hollow in the national park just over the fence.
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amanda says...
Hi Christina, all of those fine. Maybe the vine has had too much water..? They don't like soggy feet. U can get a cheap moisture probe from Bunnings for $10 - they work quite well. I use them a lot for my vines.

My panama red held a big crop thru winter last yr (we don't get frost either) and they ripened in spring.

I have lost the odd normal looking fruit too, lately. I know the vine is not wanting for anything - so I have put it down to the sudden cold at night. My vines are in full sun until late afternoon. I also give my vines trace elements every month or so. Good luck...! If it decides to drop them there probably isn't much more u can do that I can think of :-(
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Richard says...
Hi Amanda, looking at your pic you must be the Amanda who won the Daleys gardening contest. I loved the pics and all the varieties you're growing. Well done! Can you tell me if passionfruit are supposed to lose all their leaves in Winter? I've been picking some Panama Red through Autumn but now it's losing all its leaves although I have a lot of good size green fruit still hanging on it.
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Hi Richard - no I don't think that's normal - passionfruit are not deciduous. They may loose a few leaves and look a bit yellow n sad over a cool winter - but shouldn't drop them all. It's strange that your fruit is staying on (so far).

Have u done anything to it lately? eg: a lot of chemical fertiliser? Turned off the retic for winter?

Has this happened to it before? Pan reds are not the best choice for cool climates - where are u? Can u post a pic of the leaves for us to look at? Are they normal looking? Have you checked for collar rot and sub soil sogginess? Is it grafted? Sorry about all the questions - but this is like detective work sometimes!? :-)

Thanks for the encouragement BTW. I got a prize for my edibles page - not my garden though. My garden doesn't look as great as some of the others, but my conditions are not great either and I am chuffed that it's come this far at least!?

At the least the wind and salinity keeps my trees smallish for easy picking etc, tho' .. :-))))
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Richard says...
Hi Amanda,

Thanks for all the questions! lol Yeah, had a Pan Red before and same thing happened. I'm in Belrose (Outer Northern Sydney suburb) It is grafted but you may be onto something with the sogginess. My place is on the low end of a sloping street and I cop a lot of moisture because the topsiol is very thin on a clay base. So that might be it.

Anyway I'll try and get a pic in the next few days and post it as well. Thanks again!

Cheers
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Hi Amanda,

Here are some 'happy snaps" of my unhappy passionfruit. Sad little thing really! What do you reckon, doc?

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Hi Richard, I am going to answer you in Passion Fruit PART 2 - I am having trouble loading the page as the topic is too long for me on dial up.
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linda says...
I have two vines doing nothing and a friend said all you need to do is have your husband urinate on it once a day and that reminded me that my old dad used to do that and his vine was always loaded with big full fruit.So sent hubby to do his thing 3 weeks ago and hello my vines are loaded with flowers .Will be interesting to see if they set with the fruit .
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Rhys says...
Said i'd post back with an update, so here goes...the fruit that set in autumn, are slowly but surely ripening. I don't have any previous experience to compare it to, but i reckon they are ripening more slowly than they would if it was warmer. The fruit have tasted great, apart from two which i think blew off the vine before they were ready. They seem to have quite a thick pith, and i'm not sure if this is because of the cold, the particular variety, or some other reason, but it hasn't affected taste so i'm not too bothered by it. I have now had over 1kg of fruit, and if you want to follow its progress you can do so here:

http://myfolia.com/plantings/145021-black-passionfruit-passiflora-edulis
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Christina says...
Hi Rhys,

Great to hear that your fruit are finally ripening.Over the last few days mine are now also slowly but steadily changing colour to a pale brownish mauve - not the dark, deep purple of summer but hey, at least they are ripening !

One fell off the other day - didn't look fully ripe but tasted fine, just a little sour and less juicy than normal.
Like yours, the pith is a lot thicker than normal, perhaps due to the cold weather and less sun.
Anyway, I'm just pleased that they have actually ripened in winter...didn't think they would!

Had a look at your pics - what a beautiful, healthy vine ! You have obviously given it lots of care and attention...
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Christina says...
Hi Linda,

Love your very creative pick me up for reticent passionfruit vines!

Have heard this is also great for lemon trees.

Will have to get my hubby and sons out there to do their thing!
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Hi Christina,
Well it sure does work as you can see in the picture the vine is now loaded with fruit and still more flowers coming every day almost .
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Rhys says...
This thread has been continued here:

https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/forum/passionfruit-part/#41514
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ant says...
Hi everybody, over the years by following this forum I have learnt a fair bit about passionfruits. thanks to all contributors.
I feed my plants deluted chicken & cow manure, blood & bone & porash (at flowering time.
When the fruit appears to be ripe, in cold months I pick them & put them in a plastic bag or box and put them in a place where they get heat from the sun.
In the car is ideal for a week or so, will be surprised how well they will ripen.
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Tracy says...
hi to anyone, we have brought two passion fruits, panama red and Nellie Kelly at bunnings. The grew very well but did not fruit to what I had imaged. One of them even started to through off another root/sucker which ended up trailing 3 meters from the vine, so we yanked it out. We do want another one but are unsure if it is worth it. We live in Maitland with the vine going from North to South.
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Ileana says...
I also bought both of these from bunnings too. My nellie kelly I decide to put out of it's misery. It had what so many people have described in the forums here, the virus. My panama is still growing and I will see what it does in the spring and summer as I bought them only feb 2010. Although I have been told only the nellie kelly black and the banana will do well in here in Melbourne. Apparently most will sucker, only the banana passionfruit not so much.
Other sources of the black passionfruit might be the way to go and not the nellie kelly ones bunnings supply.
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Lorna. says...
I put in a Sunnshine Special variety of passionfruit around three or four years ago, and it has done really well here in Albany WA. I even gave away and sold over 1000 fruit this year, after I got tired of bottling them and eating them fresh.
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Rev says...
My advice

just plant seeds, or cuttings
save yourself cost and nuisance with grafted ones

In northern NSW could grow them up a tree for a few years till a bad frost killed them

Right now have a one year old seedling yellow putting out fruit and flowers
same up the road, one on a fence dont know what type has flower buds all over

I bought some that looked like a black yellow cross and threw one of the manky fruits in the mulch
now i have a cluster of small planst ill lift and move to new spots

plant lots i reckon, and cull any that dont perform

I grew incarnata
i also had an Incarnata x edulis f2 hybrid - great flowers
seeds from a breeder on Feebay

Incarnata it seems needs cross pollination, and all the ones ive found here are clones
again..
www.herbalistics.com.au

i might go see f i can get seeds..

Theres another one P maliformis ? thats meant to be edible. I havent tried yet

re P foetida, yes its nice even if very small. very widespread here though hardly a weed, just gets into disturbed land
I recall Jule firth used them as windbreak on fences at her place in geraldton
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gary of eildon says...
hi the last time i posted was 16 decemeber 09.since then i have pulled them out of the ground as they were taking over the place and same as last year the fruit was soft and orange.so i'll start again this spring with new plants.the one the wife got me from seed is growing but very slowley.gary
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amanda says...
Where u plant your passionfruit (in cold climates) is critical. They love heat and sunshine - the more the better....it's really cold here at present (around 5 oC o/night) and my pan golds are flowering - and setting fruit already - my purple nellie's are not. Go figure that one - as panamas are supposedly more tropical than blacks...???

Lorna is on the money for a more reliable cool weather variety. Albany gets bloody cold. If it fruits well for her there - then Melb should be no dramas. Black Nellie Kellies are quite crap to be honest (IMO) I will not bother with N.K. purples ever again.

Look for a purple hybrid (like sunshine special for eg). My Panama golds and my mates Hawiian yellows - far out perform our pan reds by a country mile. We are still picking loads of good fruit - and it's a pretty cold winter for us right now? Interesting...? :)
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peter says...
hi amanda,
your panama golds and reds are they still grafted ones from N.K.
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amanda says...
Hi peter - my pan red is not a NK brand....and is a seedling. Not sure where it came from but bought it from a local nursery (not bunnings)

The pan golds are NK brand and grafted. My friend down the road has a seedling Hawiian yellow (not certain though as she just "chucked in seeds" from fruit she came across!) hers are smaller and rounder - sweet and vine is very vigorous and productive.

Would u like any seeds? Phil says u can grow the pan golds from seed which I may do at next house. Not sure how they will go further south though...may take my mates seeds also. Only one of my pan golds is fruiting and flowering already (I was stunned about this - it's so early!?) and they are all in a row and treated the same...it's odd.
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Ben says...
Hi guys - am after some advice.. I planted a new Nellie Kelly last year and it has grown very well and healthy with big green leaves. In early spring i pruned the vine back and also thinned out most of the leaves thinking that was what you are supposed to do.. However the vine has now been thinned right out so that the leaves are very sparse and only the smaller leaves remain. Some new growth is appearing but the leaves look smaller and I am worried I have overdone the pruning and destroyed the vine by cutting back all the big leaves. In hindsight this wasn't very clever of me - the question is - will new healthy leaves return and will we get fruit this year??? In future I will go to a forum like this before attempting any more gardening...
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amanda says...
Yes it will be ok Ben. Give it a good feed and plenty of manure and water in well. It should take off as weather warms up - depending on where u are.
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Ben says...
Thanks Amanda - thats helpful. cheers.
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amanda says...
oops - should correct my post on the 15th (it's not the pan gold) - it's one of the black nellie kellies that is flowering madly and has golf ball size fruit already (the black K next to it - that has a virus - has done absolutely nothing)
My first success (so far) with a black N.kellie! Hooray!
So Perth one's should be about to go off too?
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nthbchsmelissa says...
Hi all,

I've loved reading this thread on Passionfruit.... I love the fruit and don't like paying the prices they charge in the supermarket.... so have been growing my own. Christmas not last year the year before so 2008 I had a bumper crop for the first time then I "pruned it" obviously wrongly as it didn't survive.... We planted some more vines, not all at the same time, we got a few fruit last year not enough to share with the kids, I wouldn't let them eat any LOL...

I have attached some photos of the 4 vines we have of the base's and then the wall they are growing on.

I was after some advice on how or when I should prune them as they are now vigourously growing producing flowers but not setting as many as I would like.

I've fertilised just yesterday with a product called Fruit and Flower Fertiliser by Amgrow, I have also purchased some Sulfate of Potash; should I use both.

I've posted in another forum but not received any replies through Dave's Garden... so I have today done some rearranging of the left hand side of the vine, and have now decided to train this to hang from the bottom of our pergola.

In "tidying up" the vine I have come across some branches that don't have any new growth so I have pruned them off; I hope I haven't done the wrong thing having previously "killed" the last vine we had. I havent touched any of the new growth with the flowers and set fruit unless I've accidently knocked them off; I've done this to a few of them. I've also pruned off some of the big old leaves, I thought if the vine wasn't having to work so hard with so many leaves it might set some more fruit.

I'll post an updated photo of the "work" I've done with the vine today.

All help greatly appreciated.

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nthbchsmelissa says...
HI Rhys,

How is your vine going? What size is your trellis?? How high are your wires and how wide are they?

Regards

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amanda says...
Hi melissa - where is Curl Curl?? If you use the Fruit n Flower fert then u may want to skip the potash - the Amgrow stuff will likely have a higher potassium level anyway, and u may overdose your vine.

Depending on your weather and the type of vines you have (eg: Panama versus purple/black's) - they may not set fruit too well yet. Have you got bees around?

It sounds like you are doing ok. I need to prune my vines now (should have done late Sept...oh well!?) They can get huge without a spring tidy up.
My Panama Red didn't get pruned last year - it has gone up and over a 2m limestone wall and spread 5m wide...eek!

They have very, very shallow roots - I mulch mine with manure and they love it. They need regular water if u have good drainage? Try to keep the topsoil from drying out.

They look good! I hope you get a bumper crop! (and chuck the excess in the freezer - whole even..) :)
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au0rey says...
Oh Melissa, is your vine under a lot of shade? Do they grow well there?
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nthbchsmelissa says...
Hi Amanda,

North Curl Curl is a Northern Beach suburb of Sydney, watering hasn't usually been a problem, in the past they have been watered well, although they have never been fertilised.

I hope I haven't OD'd the vines as I did do the potash today. In addition to the fruit & flower on Saturday or Sunday - can't remember exactly when it was done, but it hasn't ever been fertilised so hopefully haven't shocked it that much that it dies. I've done a little more thinning, taking out some of the runners that don't have any growth on them. I've accidently taken a couple that lead to runners with flowers and even some with set fruit {oops!!} Oh well, I'm hoping for a bumper crop so a couple now should hurt I hope.

I've also found a unique way to tag my fruit :-) I've bought some cable ties from [gasp] she say's Bunnings... they are a multipack with different colours.

So I am using the white one for fruit already on the vine - I did some hand pollinating the other day; don't know how many or even if it worked but I've tagged 23 set fruit today.... will continue to use the white for any others that aren't tagged otherwise as I many not get the chance to get to the vine daily.

I used the yellow cable ties for the flowers I hand pollinated today; I did 20 - I wonder how many of these will convert to fruit.

I also have green, red and blue so will alternate between the colours to track which ones I've pollinated and this will also allow me to track if they are all setting.

I've also removed a bunch of unset flowers - 46 - there is still more on the vine but wasn't sure if they were definately not set and I also ran out of daylight - so will take advantage of the rest of the school holidays and work on it some more tomorrow.

Audrey - No my vine isn't really in a lot of shade, it is growing on a north facing brick wall and gets loads of sunlight - the 4 pictures in my second post were taken at night. I've just started to training them to hang down underneath the pergola that has a roof over it; only time will tell if this is a wise move or not, I was concerned that I was running out of room on the fence as the trellis isn't very high. I'd like it higher but getting my husband to put in taller posts is a task bigger than benhur :-)

I really liked Rhys's website that tracked his progress on his vine, it has inspired me to track mine this year.

No updated photos but will post some more next time.

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nthbchsmelissa says...
Oops forgot to also mention the vines are a Nellie Kelly Black grafted, I have had some suckers grow up from the soil from the root stock but it has been easily kept a bay, I just pull them out. In my tidying today I have found that atleast one of the vines hasn't grown, its lead runner has reached the top of the trellis but hasn't branched out so it might have to go if it doesn't shoot now with all the food it has gotten, I'd love a Sunshine Special or Misty Gem, have emailed Daleys as they are in production (the Misty Gems say they are for commercial growers has anyone been able to get a Misty Gem), so will plant a Sunshine special and hope it grows well in tandem with the Nellie Kelly Black (I quite like the tartness of the flavour).

Might also copy these last message into a new thread if I can work out how to do that so that we don't have to scroll throught the 267 replies... It is an odd forum that posts the newest messages at the bottom. Would work much better if they posted in reverse date order; newest to oldest.

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roger says...
i have raised some kind of passionfruit just got a bunk of seeds out of canned passion fruit but not sure what kind it is it is now strting to get5 lobed leafs but the first ones are egg shaped and the middle ones are 3 lobed does anyboy know what type it is?
also got a nellie kelly and planted it but was this a wise choice have herd alot of bad things about them but thought it might acualy grow down here
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Hi roger - I am amazed! you really got the seeds to grow from canned passionfruit?? Does it say where the product came from (eg: china etc)? You may have to wait until flowers to get a an ID on it?
Was it a "black" nellie kellie you planted? It seems sometimes (from the forum imput) you can get a good one and sometimes not...I have a "good" one at present :) I don't know how they go in canberra tho'
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roger says...
i cant remember were the can was from but im fairly surprised to it lasted all winter out side bu out of frost andat one point got to -7 here this winter but have fears that its a blue crown passionfruit
i have heard that the nellie kelly passionfruits grow well down here in canberra i think its a good one because the top part is growing and there is no suckers of atmpt to grow from the rootstock
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Jenny says...
Great forum!
Tried to find the Nellie Kelly people's forum, but doesn't seem to exist.
I have a 2? yr old Black grafted Nellie Kelly. It's looking lovely and healthy. Unfortunately I planted it with a hibiscus, silly thing to do, but it seems to be going just fine. Last year it had a few flowers but no fruit, this year LOTS of flowers, a couple of hundred so far.
It's facing west, so gets lots of warmth and sun. But unfortunately no bees in our backyard (near the pool), so after reading these forums, decided that might be why I'm getting no fruit.
I've been brushing the pollen onto the stigma for about 2 weeks now with a soft paint brush. I really enjoy it.

Like Melissa (who lives somewhere near me, less than 10 mins in Curl Curl a few suburbs away,..and Richard, who lives a few suburbs away also in Belrose! :) ) I've been tagging my flowers.
I've used electrical tape, yellow for the first week and striped yellow/green this week. (Its cheaper than plastic ties! and you can get it in lots of colours). I've hand pollinated about 150 flowers so far.

My question is simple...how do I know, and WHEN will I know if my efforts at hand pollinating are working? Is there some way to tell if fruit is set after only a couple of weeks?

Only two of the many I have pollinated in the last 10 days have fallen off, though i suppose more will now with the buckets of rain we are having and will have this week.

I notice the little pads of the stigma go brown, after a day or so, ... the flower has closed up, and inside some the little fruit seems still greenish yellow. But none look any bigger.
How to tell? Don't tell me I just have to be patient! :)
I wonder if anyone out there is clever enough to post a bit of a 'lifecycle' - from pollination, through the wilting of the flower, and the newly set fruit, through to growing and ripened fruit - in PHOTOS??

This is my first go at passionfruit. Yummy. I'm really excited.
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Jess says...
That's a wonderful idea and something all of us budding passionfruit growers could benefit from! Like you Jenny I am trying to hand pollinate although my vine is still tiny and I have grave hopes of it fruiting, got to try though! Could anyone assist?
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Jenny says...
Here's some pictures I took today, of my vine and my pollination efforts.
1. Just the vine with flowers. 20 to pollinate today (and it's cold and rainy)
2. The pretty Nellie Kelly
3. brushing the pollen out of the anthers.
4. brushing the pollen onto the underside pad of the stigma
5. the stigma with pollen on it - trying to get a lot on, but not many anthers open today at 4pm, too cold.
6.Unopened anther, so no pollen from this one.
7. I mark my 'done' flowers on the stems with electrical tape. cheap and colourful. (I look pretty silly with 20 pieces of elec tape stuck to my leg while I'm doing it!!)
One colour per week.
8. How they look the next day
9. This old flower is 1.5 weeks old. How can I tell if it's set or not??? is there a way?
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Wayne says...
I love the flavour of Passionfruit, but I just cannot cop the seeds - ah well - thems the breaks
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Jenny says...
Wayne, have you tried putting passionfruit pulp in a saucepan with half a cup of water and 1 tblespoon of sugar. Boil it gently for 5-10 mins, don't let it burn.
Let it cool a bit, then pass it through a (not too fine) seive.
the seeds stay behind, but you've made a GORGEOUS passionfruit syrup. If you add a bit of cornflour in water right at the end of the boiling stage you can thicken it so it's more of a sauce than a syrup. Mmmmmm... add it to your cooking or your sweets. AND no seeds.
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Rhys says...
Jenny...it certainly sounds as though you are doing the pollinating correctly, so i don't think lack of pollination is the problem. As you've noticed, unpollinated flowers normally wither up, go brown and fall off pretty quickly. Having said that, after 1.5 weeks (ie picture 9), i would've expected the fruit to have grown significantly, and why it hasn't i don't really know. One issue could be lack of water, and hopefully the recent rain will help with that, but make sure you keep up the water going into summer as passionfruit can be pretty thirsty buggers! Also nutrient deficiencies can also affect fruit development, in particular potassium so maybe try adding some of that. Also, from memory, passionfruit can also suffer from boron deficiency, but not sure if that affects fruiting. Some seaweed emulsion wouldn't go astray either, and maybe some trace elements as well?
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Jenny says...
hmmm.... Rhys, re your comment about the fruit should be bigger by 1.5-2 weeks.... how much bigger?? I've never seen a passionfruit grow from a flower, so what size would you expect it to be at 2 weeks???
I've been attempting to water it every day since I started my pollination. I've given it blood and bone last week, and osmocote, but may try seaweed emulsion today and see if I have any potash anywhere. If not, I'll buy some.

As I mentioned it's in with a hibiscus, and they're gross feeders, so maybe I need to try again, somewhere where it won't have much competition.
But anyway, I'd like to know how big a 2 weeker should look....?
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peter says...
jenny,
compare the size of the two week old one to one that you havnt pollinated yet. you should see that it is larger.
id also expect that a two week old one
that was pollinated and had not set
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Rhys says...
Here are some photos of my developing passionfruit. Picture three is the biggest and oldest on my vine, and it was the first flower this season, and it opened on 24th october, which makes it 12 days old today when that picture was taken. The other two have been pollinated since then, but i'm not sure when exactly. Picture 1 is a good example of the fruit developing inside the flower before poking through and leaving the petals behind which eventually just wither up and fall off. This is the only passionfruit vine i've ever had so i don't know if this growth rate is normal or particularly vigorous. For what it's worth, it is a seedling vine rather than a grafted one, so i guess that could change things a bit?
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Jenny says...
Well there's no hand pollinating going on with all this rain. It's so cold too, only about 18-19degs in the middle of the day, so the anthers aren't even opening until the next day when the flower is half closed. Pthh.
I found 15 of my week one pollinations fell off today.(out of about 80).
What's a good set rate?
Re the size queston... I'd say some are mildly bigger, say 1/2 as big again, in a week. Is that about right?

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Jenny says...
Rhys - oh wow...I didn't notice your post and pics before I wrote that last one of mine.
WOW! oh dear. Mine are nothing like that. I have nearly 2 week old flowers and the fruit inside is still the size of a pea. Small enough that I can't really tell if it is getting beigger or not. mmmm..... something is wrong.
Well, first, it's in a confined space with a hibiscus. I've given it potash (yesterday), and some trace elements today.
There's nothing wrong with it's water supply.
Its something else. But what???
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Rhys says...
Well you've got me stumped Jenny! Definitely beyond my experience now.
Maybe we need to try and find some points of difference between our vines, and maybe someone else can tell us if that is relevant or not.
The first i noticed was seedling vs grafted.
There shouldn't be a massive difference in climate between Newcastle and coastal sydney so i don't think that is it.
I have a quite a heavy clay soil here, but i did improve it before planting. A lot of the northen beaches has sandy soil, but i don't know about up on collaroy plateau? If you do have sandy soil, you could be losing a lot of nutrients through the soil, but i think if that was the case, the vine itself would look unwell, and you may not get flowers in the first place.
One thing i do with hand pollination, and i don't know if it is important or not, is to try and make sure that i take pollen from one flower and give it to a different flower and then return the favour, so each flower has pollen from a different one. Don't really know why i started doing this, but i haven't seen any reason to change.
Anyway, your vine looks healthy, and as long as the flowers are staying on the vine, then all hope is not lost...maybe it's just taking its time and will speed up in the warmer weather. I wouldn't do anything too drastic yet link ripping it up, and even trying to move the hibiscus could damage the passionfruit roots. Passionfruit do have shallow roots, and maybe the hibiscus is interfering a bit, but again i would've expected the vine itself to be suffering, rather than just seeing slow fruit set?

If you wanted to have a squiz at what else i do to my vine, i keep a track of it at MyFolia...here is the link to my passionfruit: http://myfolia.com/plantings/145021-black-passionfruit-passiflora-edulis
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Jenny says...
I had a look at your great vine. It looks wonderful. My vine looks similar. Looks to be growing really well, lots of fresh shoots etc.

Lots of my flowers from hand pollinating week one are dropping now, (after 2 weeks) with the pea sized fruit.
We have sandy soil, but I'm thinking it's more the place it's planted. It's sort of in a garden box, about 1m x 1m x 1m, so big enough for 1 passionfruit, but probably not with the hibiscus in there as well. I didn't know all this when I planted it.
The only thing I can think is the hibiscus, which is a gross feeder, is takking all the nutrients. It's rained a lot - your place too I suppose, so it's not a water issue.
I only this week gave it nutrients of all sorts, so maybe I should wait 2-3 weeks before I do anything drastic.

Meanwhile, if I was to buy/plant another vine, what type is yours? Mine is a Nellie Kelly grafted black. I hear misty gem and some like that are beautiful? seeds, seedling or graft? ...and I'll either have to plant it somewhere else, haven't another spot tho, or murder the hibiscus, which I don't like much anyway. Looks like there'll be blood on my hands.

I think my vine itself is ok, it gets up to 20-30 flowers a day (when it's not raining) but they're just not growing when set. MUST be nutrients.
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Jenny says...
oh yes, the soil in the garden box is very good, not sandy, and I always pollinate same as you, one flower pollen to the second flower etc.
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Rhys says...
Yes, got me stumped. Was it raining when you were first hand pollinating? Did the pollen get wet?

Not sure about growing a passionfruit in a box...their roots normally spread out a lot...not sure that this would cause the problem you're seeing though.

As for nutrients, you'll need to find one highly specific for fruit formation given the vine and flowers are otherwise so healthy...maybe boron? Or you could just give it one of those trace element mixes to cover all your bases?

As for my vine, it is a black passionfruit seedling...can't remember the brand. From my experience and discussion with others, i think seedlings are the way to go...it seems a lot of people with grafted ones have lots of problems with suckers. If you are interested, i'm happy to send you some seeds that i collected from my plant earlier this year. I've never grown one from seed before, but could be worth a try, but would delay things a bit further.

Hope you get some fruit soon!

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amanda says...
Yup Jenny - getting rid of the hibiscus would be a good start. The vine will only carry what it can.
In an area that small it will need regular feeding. Passionfruit are hungry and thirsty vines. Maybe try giving it a liquid feed every week.
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Relly says...
I'm having problems with my Black Nelly Kelly it is the most prolific flower i have seen but not one fruit has set. When the flowers have finished flowering I go back a day or two later and they have started to mould up(see pic) I'm wondering if this is killing the fruit before it has the chance to grow. I have another black passionfruit vine and it has smaller flowers and only two fruit have failed to set. I do feed them potash and mulch they 3 monthly.
First 2 photos is the younger plant about a year old, the other 3 are from the problem plant about 18months old.
Any help on this problem passionfruit would be great.
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Jenny says...
Rhys - I would LOVE a couple of seeds. Can't do any harm. Until Iknow if it's going to do anything, I'll plant the others and find a new spot for a new vine. How do I contact you with my address?

Amanda - Yes, the hibiscus is out. It was horrible anyway. I bet it was soaking up evertyhing. I have seasol'ed the pass, put some organic type fertilizer on it, watered it every day, or every second if rain, and potash-ed it.

All week 1's(pollinated flowers) from 3 weeks ago are lost, half of the week 2s from last week are lost, so now we're starting a new week, with a new circumstance. No hibiscus, and lots of food.

See how we go. I suppose I should know in 2 weeks.

Will try to attach another pic or so in a week of any fruit 'trying' to set. You can judge them for me!! Love this forum. It's so helpful. I really appreciate everything everyone has suggested and have implemented ever one, except need to find boron. (have put trace elements, better look up and see if it has boron in it.).
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amanda says...
hi Relly & Jenny. Relly - that mould in the flowers is weird!? I have not seen it before - is it really damp where u are? Is the vine getting overhead water by any chance?

I don't know how you could treat it without damaging the flower - it might be a write off for fruit this year maybe? Is the rest of the vine healthy?

You may want to be careful that any pollinators don't carry any fungal spores from your sick vine to your healthy one perhaps?

Jenny (I am not a fan of hibiscus either!) sounds good what you are doing - seasol is a great soil conditioner and growth promotor - but very low in nitrogen - so will not be enough on it's own.

You can get boron at the supermarket - as Borax. Use very, very little - it is toxic to plants if you use too much. It's application is half a level teaspoon to 4.5L water per square metre and one application only.



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Rhys says...
I was going to say the same thing about the mould Amanda...does look a bit weird. Not normally what failed pollination/fruit set looks like. It actually looks to me as though the ovary on that flower has started to grow a bit suggesting pollination was OK, but then the mould started. Don't really know what to do about that, but as Amanda hinted at, try to avoid watering the leaves/flowers as much as possible (a bit hard with rain though!), but it could also be worth giving it a bit of a prune to try and open up the plant and let a bit more air through which might help prevent the mould. It might also be a variety that isn't suited to the FNQ climate...i'm pretty sure you can get ones suited to more tropical climates.
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Rhys says...
Oh, and jenny, if you want to contact me, you can email me:

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I hope you can decipher that email address. ie at=@ and dot=.

It just helps stop spambots from using the email
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Relly says...
Thanks for the advice guys, it's just started wet season up here so it will be hard to keep the rain off the flowers, but i will prune it back to open it up more to let the air through. The mould is really weird and i have not seen it on passionfruits before but i think it's behind my flowers not setting. The vine is healthy otherwise maybe slightly too big easily 10mx2m. I will keep persisting with it and see what happens.
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amanda says...
Good point about the variety Rhys - the purple NK's are usually considered a "cooler" climate vine aren't they.

Maybe you should get a 'back up' vine in Relly - like a panama red or gold, or even check with Daleys as they have some nice varieties? (just in case both of your purples end up like this). You guys seem to b having never ending rain over there - amazing. We got a whole 3 minute shower last nite - and I was grateful just for that!? :-0
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nthnbchsmelissa says...
Hi Jenny, Rhys, Amanda & others.....

I hand pollinated flowers every day until 19/10 I set 18 on that day and removed all 23 of the ones I hand pollinated on 16/10, I guessed that the vine was at it's capacity (approx 175), I did however set some more on 22/10 (20) and whilst some set I've tracked approx 12 not set so didn't set many after that.

In the last couple of weeks I've had a second flush of new vine growth and new flower buds forming, I've been hand pollinating them although not every day and there has usually only been 3 or 4 per day, nothing like during the beginning of October. These appear to have been setting but I haven't been tracking them.

Growth of the fruit (skin) is very rapid - I have attached some photos of fruit now "hanging" from my vine - some I've accidently clipped off so out of interest have opened the fruit and seeds are now forming but they are clear and soft.

I'm hoping to have a bumper crop intime for Christmas Day and then all this new growth that is happening now will give me a second crop in Feb - March.

I did get a new vine in late October - a hand grown "black" from Daleys grown from the seed of Misty Gem. I've clipped off it's laterals and hoping the leader keeps growing and will reach the top of my trellis :-)

I've attached some photos to show the growth so far and whilst some fruit has grown large there is a photo with two fruit with blue tags that are very different in size but pollinated and set on the same date (11th October)

I too started a myfolia website: if you are interested in having a look; although I haven't updated it recently. http://myfolia.com/plantings/169490-passionfruit-nelly-kelly-passiflora-edulis

I estimate I lost 190 "early" flowers - ones that didn't set on their own before I started hand pollinating; I set 156 in 1st week and lost approx 54; I set 155 in 2nd week and lost approx 103; I didn't set many into the third week as the last couple didn't set; however I've started again hand pollinating the new flowers although there is now only a few a day; the vine is busy growing me loads of yummy fruit.

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Jenny says...
so melissa, how old would you estimate those flowers/fruit are, in your pictures 5 and 6 ?
I seem really up against it, and my fruit are only doubling in size, to the size of a large pea, before not getting any bigger, then dropping off. I've almost finished my regimen of re fertilizing, etc. and wonder how long it will be or if ever! a fruit sets for good. After how many days do you know if a fruit has set?
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Hi Jenny

Picture 5 I'd say is 2 or 3 days old max; and picture 6 is probably 5-7 days old; is hard to gauge now as I've not been tagging them but just pollinating them as there is so few flowers opening as the vine has so many fruit already on it. I will start tagging a few now and take progressive photos to show the grow stage.

If a flower has set is usually evident the next day as the fruit starts to grow (the little bulb) don't know its technical name and they grow quite rapidly.

In the past we've never fertilised the vine but have this year with sulphate of Potash I double dosed the first time, then have been doing it weekly or there abouts. Maybe this has been helping to set the flowers.

Have you been watering enough?? They need a big drink every day this might help the vine set fruit, I have also removed lots of leaves..... I want my vine growing fruit not leaves :-) and can help it by taking off the extra leaves - not all of them but lots of the bigger ones as well as the ones near where the flowers have not set.

I also do not clean my brush it is now full of pollen maybe this is helping with the "cross pollinating".

Keep us informed of your progress.

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Ileana says...
Anyone know any good passion fruit varieties to grow in cool Melbourne?

I have heard black is a good one.

Am trying red panama but it has been suggested to me that it might not do much in Melbourne.

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amanda says...
Hi Melissa, Ileana. If you can find a "sunshine special" it should do ok for you Ileana. The panamas are more tropical in their requirements - I tend to find that it takes them awhile to get to flower (maybe it's a heat requirement?) and that they then ripen very late - often taking all winter thru to spring.
We are already having a heatwave so I will be interested to see if it moves my panamas into action earlier this year. My NK black has already done it's thing and the fruit not far off picking. The sunshine special was only a month behind it.

Melissa - you have done really well! Makes me wish I had put more effort into my purple this year!
I would love to know how you go with the leaf removal? I was wondering - if you remove too many - you may remove the 'food source' for the fruit?
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Anyone from Perth knows where I can buy a Sunshine Special? I have been looking but cant find any!!
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Hi Melissa,
Thankyou, that has really confirmed my worst fears about the vine. It's not setting properly. I do not see that type of rapid growth at all. Things stop to double the size of that bulby thing...end up the size of a large pea, then stop. 7 days later, the flower has fallen. I've pollinated over 250 flowers so far, with no succdess.
I really thought the hibiscus I took out may have been an improvement. I now wonder if overfeeding could cause the flowers to drop. Geez, I just don't know. I've never given it too much of anything. But I hear that overfeeding? can cause flower drop too. oh boy. REally it's just been compost x 1 layer, 2 x seasol, 2 x potash..over the last 6 weeks.
It's such a lovely vine, I hate to think I might have to pull it out. Nearly crying!!! :(

Wonder if your comment, Melissa, about the removal of leaves is pertinant to me. As I look at my vine I see lots of new shoots, tendrils, ever more flowers.... maybe it's enjoying the good life too much. Wonder if I should trim those back too.
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peter says...
hi jenny,
in the daleys fruit section under the passion fruit list there are some
comments one of which says,
if you are frustrated by fruiting issues then try adding boran(borax).
you can get it at the supermarket.

you could also try ringing nelly kelly
themselves to se if they have an answer.
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Hi Jenny

My mum has said that she never had much luck with hand pollinating her flowers. I'd say I've had 30% success?? and those I've done were done over a two week period. Do you clean your brush? I've not ever cleaned it so it has lots of pollen on it and I make sure that the stamen?? get a good wiping of the pollen and I do all three of them. I wouldn't pull it out nor would I cut back any of the new growth or the new flower buds, it will continue to flower till the vine has enough fruit that it can't carry anymore. Mine is once again budding and flowering although only 3-6 per day and they seem to be setting but I'm not tagging so don't know if all or some are. Does your vine get a good watering every day? If you want you can come over and see what I do, although I'm sure I'm not doing anything different to you. Give me a call 0409 126 246.

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nthnbchsmelissa says...
Hey Amanda, could the problems I'm having with the ants on my vine be causing some of the "new growth" to become tough and the leaves curly/crinkly around the edges? Or the dreaded woodiness virus:- I'm guess you will say a photo would be helpful!! I'll take some and post them later, some of the new growth appears normal and some is looking not so "normal".

Or could scale be causing this; I've identified some scale but not alot. Does it only take a small amount to cause this kind of damage?

Solutions or suggestions?

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nthnbchsmelissa says...
OK; here are the photos....
some show the leaf curling;
some show the "scale" I looked under many leaves and could only find these two with anything on them - they do look like scale to me but I wouldn't say the vine is ridden with them;
some show new growth looking like it should;
some show new growth looking a bit yellow / washed out.

I thought me spraying the vine with Pyrethrum (by Multicrop) to "control" the ants using it as a super highway had deformed the new growth to these tough looking curly leaves

I wonder if the lack of nutrients is making the leaves and some of the new growth yellow as it is carrying quite an abundant crop, I have been feeding the vine but have only been using Sulphate of Potash so in essence only Potassium (K)- so I have today given it a feed of Fruit & Flower Fertiliser by Amgrow 9.2% Nitrogen (N), 1.1% Phosphorus (P), Potassium (K) 12.2%; Sulphur (S) 15%; Calcium (Ca) 3.4%; Magnesium (Mg) 0.5%.....

So does it look like woodiness virus to you Amanda? or just stress cause it is carrying a bit crop.

Anyone else want to jump in with some suggestions?

Many thanks

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Hi melissa - that's really interesting. It might be worth quietly watching the ants to see what they are up to? I have an ant here that "feeds" at some kind of 'node' in certain plants. See pic - just under the growing tip you will see a round-ish bit on the stem with a tiny white speck of sap? (they were just feeding there)
These ants lock their jaws onto these spots and are obviously feeding off the plant (it's an Albizzia - and there are absolutely no other pests on it) It was a bit windy 2nite - but I did get a cupla pics of them "in the Act" :)

Anyway - the new leaves grow thru' distorted and unhappy. I have also observed this on my passionfruit vines (but not often)

See if you can find the ant nest and get rid of them.

The other thing is to stop the potash/potassium - too much potassium can be a problem for iron and manganese uptake. In pic 8 - it is starting to look like an iron 'deficiency' (chlorosis)

The vine doesn't need the potash now. Just stick with a lower nitrogen fert' with trace elements.

I hope this is useful info for you. Doesn't look like woodiness virus (but I am no expert) - just too much love maybe melissa :) (and I don't blame you! I adore passionfruit too...)
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nthnbchsmelissa says...
Thanks Amanda, will treat for an Iron deficency..... I didn't get much luck with the ants being attracted to the suger or protein test so will contact the supplier and get the Maxforce gel (sugar) and granules (protein) to cover both bases.... as I'm not a fan of ants and don't want them affecting my passionfruit vine.

We had a huge problem with ants years ago inside and out, but when we extended the house we had to excavate lightly and I suspect removed most of the nests at that time, I can't see that we have nests in our yard, I suspect they are visiting from the neighbours.

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Melissa - I only got the MaxForce granules? I have seen a/the new 'gel' - but it's only licenced for Pest Controllers to use (in WA at least). These ants in the pic loved it when we tested it on them! They also liked the Amdro.

I have to keep on top of these ants as they are very invasive, nest in my fruit tree roots and bite hard! :-(





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Hi Ileana & Cuong
Ilean: just to let u know - my panamas are now flowering this week. We had a half dozen days of 38-40şC last week and I think this may be what has initiated it.
It's the earliest they have ever started flowering so far - and the hottest week in Nov I can remember! :-(


Coung: the nursery here sources the Sunshine Special vine from:

Davids Garden Centre (in Perth - I don't know the address though)

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Hi Amanda, thanks for the info, I will call them up as soon as i get some free time and see if they have any in stock
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nthnbchsmelissa says...
Hey Amanda: I was searching the forums for info on tomatos and found your coment below:

"amanda says...
Hi cesar, your tomatoe plant looks like it's very hungry for nitrogen to me. Is that woodchip you have for mulch in the pot? It may be causing nitrogen draw down. Generally you always need to add a nitrogen source when u use fresh wood. "

I have only just on the weekend used "eucalyptus mulch" in the garden bed where my passionfruit vines are growing.

Am I creating more trouble for my vine? Do I need to worry now about a lack of nitrogen as well as the iron?

Should I remove it: although there is no where else in the garden to put it (as we have a very small yard) and use something else or will it break down and be OK?

Thanks once again for your wealth of knowledge.

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Hi melissa, apparently the resins in the eucalytpus can be a problem? I am not the full bottle on this - but not much grows around a eucalypt! Is the mulch fresh or aged/mixed with other goodies?

There are other mulches if u are concerned - lucern and sugar cane contain triacontanol (spelling?) which is a plant growth stimulant - pretty handy :)

I only use manure for mulch around my passionfruits and I throw it on top of the leaf litter. I have trouble with wood chip as we have sand here, and don't get much rain at all. It might be ok where u are.
I use dynamic lifter as a fertiliser - not a lot. It is slow release which is great (IMO) for a vine that is always growing. I also give them a high potency liquid trace element feed on occasion, and potash in spring. I don't really give them much attention compared with my other trees, but they do love their water.

I believe passionfruit really appreciate a cool, damp root run. This is a pic of my panama red - which has an ideal spot - a warm wall and a cool root run. The wall is 2m high and the vine goes over the other side too!
It's actually become a bit of a problem - size wise :-(

I hope this helps.

(PS - yes we get literally bucketloads of fruit also...! yum!)
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maria says...
Hi Im hoping someone can help....i have a nellie kelly passion fruit that has grown really well and has plenty of flowers and fruit...but the fruit is turning yellow and falling off...when opened they are empty and the skin is really thin.
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Hi Maria - are you able to get a clear picture of the leaves? It looks like the rootstock - but it's hard to tell.

Otherwise - is it a panama or a purple? Is that bamboo growing near it's root system? It might be stealing all the food and water..
Better look at the leaf first though..
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maria says...
Hi Amanda...i have taken the picture of the leaves...on the tag it names them as grafted black passionfruit...but they could have made a mistake....it is bamboo...it is about 10' away from the plant can this cause a problem?
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Hi Maria - sadly you have a very healthy rootstock growing by the looks of it :(
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shmick says...
Hi there, New here. Just wanted to know if anyone has experienced the same probelm with their passion fruit as me. I have some vines and many of the flowers are falling off (they look to have been cut off, clean snip) and now some of the green passion fruit have fallen off as well. Same clean cut off the vine.

Does anyone know what would be causing this? It is quite upsetting to see all of the flowers falling off like this. Could it be a grasshopper or other pesky insect?
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Hi shmick - how old is the vine? Leonie on Gardening Aust mentioned that a mature vine needs about 140L of water a week when flowering and fruiting.

Give your some slow release fertiliser, manure and a goog soak. Keep it mulched. Have you got bees pollinating the flowers?

The separation of the fruit stalk at the point of attachment on a branch is called abscission, and can be due to a lack of a particular trace element - so choose a slow release fert with trace elements.

I am not sure how all that rain over your way may be affecting fruit set - but someone might (my vines flower in the dry)
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nthnbchsmelissa says...
My fruit is now ripening; new vine growing well.....

I have a problem with a possum I think! Getting into the passionfruit, I found one on the grass yesterday with a chunk taken out of it, then this morning found two with chunks out of them still hanging on the vine!

Is there any way I can stop the "possum" getting to the fruit before I do.

I'm guessing I need to pick them as they are ripening rather than let them fall from the vine as the unripe fruit so far is untouched.

Any advice?

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Rhys says...
I seem to be having the same problem as you melissa! I found two halves of partly ripened fruit with all the pulp eaten out of them...they weren't even two halves of the same fruit so the little bugger has pinched two of them!! :(
I don't think passionfruit ripen that well off the vine, but could be worth and experiment.
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Cocka2 says...
Wow! two years of passionfruit forum. Many of us seem to have similar probs. Last year was my first full year of flowering, hundreds of 'em. But not one bee was spotted and not one fruit developed despite some hand pollination.

As we have a lot of bushland I now have a bee hive and they as busy as . . . Flowering so far this year is mediocre, some opening and a lot not quite opening and falling off - still no fruit. And the bees are not attracted to the flowers.

A local guru said a friend added boron when they had problems and that kick started fruit production.
I checked the purpose of trace element B and it assists in the uptake of calcium. So that lead me to test the soil Ph. and BINGO.

The av Ph was 5 - 5.5 very acid. Research tells me passionfruit like it 6.5-7.00.

So at this point I have not added B but gave the root area a dose of dolomite and more organic fert. + H2O

It's only been a week but I hope I'm on the right track. I've attached these cultural notes which others may find of interest. As they say in forum land "i'll keep you posted"

I would appreciate any feed back or ideas.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/passionfruit.html

http://www.hortnet.co.nz/publications/hortfacts/hf708008.htm


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BJ says...
I've let mine climb up a large crepe myrtle. The bees (of all kinds) come for the crepe myrtle flowers, and pay a visit to the passionfruit flowers while they are there. There are a hundred or so on right now.
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ian from perth says...
Ive had a shocking run with my p/fruit.

Many of the problems above, along with the pictures, mimick our issues.

Tonight we ripped them out!

However....as we were stuffing them in the bin i noticed the roots!

Root Knot NEMATODES!!

It makes sense, the plant cant uptake the nutrients cos the roots are all but destroyed by this pest.

The roots were full of them.
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Hi ian from perth - out of interest - were they seedlings or grafted plants? (and what type - purple or panama for eg)

Root nematodes love sandy soils... :( b4 you plant another vine might be worth revamping the area with a heap of organics (good manure) and some clay.
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ian from perth says...
Hello Amanda, both were grafted purple.

Before realising the problem i did plant a new panama. Its not in the same spot and we did include a heap of new planting mix.

Today will be spent finding a way to destroy these pests...not containing them!!
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Hmmmm...not much on offer is there?

I should have picked this far quicker.

The carrots is the same patch were a dismal failure, as was this years tomatoes. Weve previously lost a mango tree as well.

Its a very old home with large [original] buffalo lawns. Im told from phone calls made today that the lawms are the probable host. The vegie garden was originally lawn...bugga!

Anyway...hope this may help/alert others.
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amanda says...
Well Ian - you can always forgo growing for a season and spend the time building a much healthier soil - one way of containing them. Heavy cover crops of mustard - which are then dug in - are like a "soil fumigant" for nematodes.
Solarizing the soil may help. Maybe look into breeding up good bugs that attack the nematodes too....
A pain aren't they!? I sympathise - I have to be vigilant with rotating tom's etc to keep on top of nematodes.
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Millions of flowers over years only found first fruit !) mins' ago blue mntns area nsw
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amanda, my 'Pest, Predators and Pesticides' book (out of print) says to use mustard as a trap crop, then pull up after four weeks and burn.
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Hi Julie - that's interesting!? I am just going by the dude on Gardening Australia's method (Colby-Williams..I think). Haven't tried it myself as yet (would have to grow it thru summer and just can't afford the water..)

That's quite differeent advice though isn't it? Either they are trapped in the mustard roots - or repelled by the mustard as it breaks down....

Does anyone else know about this?
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amanda says...
hey Julie/Ian from Perth - did some googling and mustard definitely used as a biofumigant in the soil - for nematodes.

But - came across this great thread in a US forum:
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/txgard/msg082127513433.html

I checked out the molasses treatment and the application rate is 40mL/per L/per sqm/per week.

Apparently you can also use mustard powder in the planting hole and also mustard seed meal. Wow - I learnt something 2day! :)
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Julie says...
That's an interesting thread amanda. My book also says: 'lupins, lucerne, maize, rape, turnips and chicory for nematodes'(all related to mustard). Elsewhere it mentions marigolds. Also: 'sprinkle sugar on soil - dehydrates the nematodes; soil sterilisation.

I have pencilled in 'Neem', so must have come across that somewhere. Too long ago to remember!

BTW, the marigolds must be Tagetes minuta - hard to find. African and French m's don't do the trick. Permaculture seed banks may have it.
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I had success with African Marigolds for Nematoads in one of my beds by growing them out and letting the soil rest for about 2 months, perhaps I caught the problem early enough
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Julie says...
Good to hear Wayne. I never had any success with them when I lived with sandy soil. I don't get them where I live now - gravelly, loamy soil.
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Hi Wayne - did you leave the marigolds there to rot down or such?
Your fallow-time may be the way to go too?....my veg beds dry out totally, and utterly, over summer. After reading that US thread - I realised this is perhaps not a bad thing - and maybe why I don't have more nematode problems, than I know I should...?
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ian from perth says...
..well, I've certainly some interest here with my issues. =}

Yucca also helps fight Nems....I have a permit to import Yucca. I'll let you know how that goes.
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Hi Ian,

What particular troubles did you have with your passionfruit?

I have 1 year old panama gold vine. To start with it grew at snails pace and i suspected nematodes (noticed a bit of knotting after scratching around the roots). This summer it has grown like wildfire but no flowers yet. Am happy with the growth at present and it seems healthy. Don't really want to get rid of it as it seems to be growing so well.

How does this compare with the symptoms that your vines experienced?

I guess it may be too early to determine how the vine will be affected (until it tries to fruit).
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Hello J,
yep, 1st year they [2x Nellie Kellie Black/Purple, grafted] grew like wild fire. Second year one carked it and the other did absolutely nothing..I nursed it like a babe.
When we pulled it out the root ball was about the size of a passionfruit with many [>5] nems on the ball.

I'd replanted a panama gold before noticing the pest.

The war is on.
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The big flower nursery sell panama gold passionfruit plants ( only babies) for two dollars or 10 for $10 they have lots of other plants at this price and you can mix and match but some of the others have been half eaten by insects.
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BUM. Oh well, i'll leave it and see how we go, meanwhile i still have a baby banana passi. which is supposed to be very resillient so will still have that if all else fails.
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Philo says...
I have a Nellie Kelly with dozens of green passionfruit. I live in Melbourne. Will the fruit ripen on the vine and become a deep purple?
Last year all the fruit dropped off whilst still green (maybe not enough water). This year I've been much more generous with the water and the fruit hasn't fallen, but will it ripen?
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hi philo
yes they should ripen, keep them watered
as for colour nellie kelly have 4 main
passion fruit
ungrafted black
grafted black both of which will
be purple.
grafted panama red which is pale red
with speckles.
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Robbie says...
Wow Reading this back to the beginning makes me feel like abandoning the idea of growing Passionfruit.
Nelly Kellies were what my mum always said to grow and she would be 96 if she were still around so I don't think the idea of grafting is a new one.
One of the reasons she said to use grafted ones was that they would go on for years and I have to say in our house in Wollongong there was a vine that produced that was significantly older than 6 years and it had no special treatment and lots of competition from other plants. It was just part of a back fence in suburban house. Only sun for the middle daytime hours.
So how come we are all having these challenges growing passionfruit? Seems very weird.
I have similar story to everyone else and have given up on one place for new plants and left the root stock to play while I think.
Other place latest plant now two years old and loads of leaves but no flowers yet it set some flowers but no fruit last year. I nursed it through the little frosts we had last year - as I know of people with passionfruits in frosty areas (theirs appear to be mature and I guess they don't have big big frost).
I use loads of horse manure so maybe I have excess nitrogen and then I look at conversations that say May and fruiting and wonder again.
Anyhow I am also currently trying some ungrafted banana passionfruit to see what happens with them.
My playful rootstock in the spot I abandon has had beautiful crop of flowers and fruit ( which isn't really worth eating or picking unless you were desperate to make some weird tasting jelly or something!) It looks pretty but as the others say is going to be an absolute bugger to remove as I have seen sprouting in the wildly growing kikuyu that is taking off with our wet year this year.
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au0rey says...
I find it very challenging to get a young plant to survive in my garden. One panama gold took off after some trouble with mysterious bugs and then died in winter.

I bought a non-grafted nellie kelly again this year and before it started to warm up its spot, everything got eaten up! I am left with the stem and stalks. I wrote to Nellie kelly and the stupid fellow told me I have serious slug problem. I cannot even find slugs in my garden and no slug trail.

Just bought another one but left it in the pot. Going to wait till I have better idea how to protect this one before planting.

Sigh...
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Ben says...
Hi - I have a very healthy 2nd year Nellie Kelly. It has heaps of flowers but none of them are turning to fruit - instead they are all dropping off. I live in Melbourne - does anyone know what is happening here and how I can fix it?? Thanks!
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Betho says...
I feel quite frustrated and depressed about all the previous posts regarding abundance of flowers on Grafted Black Passionfruit dropping off. I planted mine about Feb 2010 it flowered profusely 8 months later.Every single one dropped off.Thought because so many flowers didnt have energy to produce fruit..But having second thoughts about that now. Will wait for a further flowering, and if no fruit will pull it!!Have grown passionfruit elsewhere with no probs.
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JK says...
Try hand pollinating them, and they should develop to fruit
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amanda says...
Know how u feel guys :( I didn't prune my pan red seedling this year and likely gave it too much pig poo - it's an utter beast now and taking over the whole BBQ area and only 1/4 the flowers of last yr (normally I use cow-poo).

For me, I believe trace elements are really good for passionfruit vines and I give mine loads of water (have sandy loam tho') when they are carrying fruit - for good juicy pulp. I don't get any premature flower or fruit fall at all, so something must be working!?? :)))

Betho - I find my vines take off in their second year onwards....if you don't have any joy you may be better off trying a warmer climate vine....? Not sure what others you have tried there in G.Coast...?
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amanda says...
The dust storm brought a locust plague with it - they are eating everything - including passionfruit flowers. I guess there's not much that can be done when there is 100's of them? Arggghh!!
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Jay says...
I have a passionfruit that has excellent green leaf cover, and flowers profusely.

It's in the sun and attracts plenty of bees and I have a lot of green fruit.

The fruit falls off the plant before ripening.

Likewise many of the flowers die before becoming fruit.

Any ideas would be appreciated! Thank you.
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ken says...
hi
i had a black passionfruit which grew very well.it got flowers,but they fell off.i exhausted all avenues.too much water,not enough water,too much or too little of something or another.i rang ag dept and guy said to pull it out and plant a sunshine special.i have had a few flowers,but no fruit.i dont overwater.i am hoping plant is still young(probably 6-8 months old)and might do better next season.what do you think?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Some passionfruit seem to need a bit of a boost with pollination. See if you can identify the five pollen bearing anthers (yellow pollen on the underside in the pic) and just with your finger rub a bit onto the three female stigmas (in the top part of the attached photo). You can see the bumblebee in the photo going right around the flower doing the same thing. I find if you do this one year it seems to right itself therafter.
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Philo says...
I have the same problem as Jay. Heaps of fruit on my grafted Nellie Kelly, but they are falling whilst still green. The vine has had plenty of water and I have put some potash down but all to no avail. A few of the leaves are a little yellow but mostly the vine looks very healthy.
Perhaps it is not hot enough in Melbourne??
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miissy says...
hi all, i to have a nelly kelly passion fruit, that i planted on my birthday and waited patiently for. for 3 years, it flowered tonnes of beautiful flowers, but no fruit. two days ago, i was telling my mum i am going to rip it out, as it is now over grownig (due to my lack of caring and disappointment, i stopped doing anything other than watering it) and to my shock, she pointed out something orange and fruit looking. it was a group of fruited flowers, so far no less than ten of them.

so maybe there is hope for all the non fruiting nelly kellys, just takes a looooong time, and than some nutritional neglect to shock them into fruiting?? i am not a proffesional gardener, and do not profess to have any major knowledge, but my favourite place in the world is my garden and i do a lot of growing, and maybe this info will help some, even just with faith!

thank you for reading :)
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
If the fruits are orange you may find the rootstock has taken over - it is often grafted onto Passiflora caerulea, or the blue passionflower (which has orange fruit). You may still have the Nelly Kelly there somewhere but the fruit are a purple black in color.
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Betho says...
Hi JK.Thanks for that, if the flowers stay on the vine long enough before they drop off..will give it a go.
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Betho says...
Hi Amanda, my second lot of flowers are starting to reveal themselves now..Am keeping an eye on one that opened and is now closed..to see if it drops..or hopefully remains to fruit. The vine must be around 15 months now
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rob says...
We have a purple passionfruit vine which produces flower pods but they won't open properly and so just die and drop off. Can anyone suggest anything please?
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Arjun says...
Passion Fruits often like DIRECT sunlight
in order to produce fruits.Also,it is best to plant them out of a pot as their roots need a lot of space.Places with lots of bees,
birds are also good places to plant them.
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Jess says...
!!! Excitement! Reversing out of the driveway i noticed something in my rear view mirror, hopped out of the car to find my 14 month old panama gold had it's first flower!! I hand pollinated it as i have had frustration in the past with a different plant that kept dropping its flowers, but went and checked the new flower out 2 days later and BAM the fruit has doubled in size. YAY! Also noticed a heap more flowers budding. VERY VERY EXCITED.
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BJ says...
I made my first Passionfruit jam yesterday. Delicious - although more like a sweet marmalade. I have to buy more bottles for preserving! Passionfruit curd is next up.
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"!!! Excitement! Reversing out of the driveway i noticed something in my rear view mirror, hopped out of the car to find my 14 month old panama gold had it's first flower!! I hand pollinated it as i have had frustration in the past with a different plant that kept dropping its flowers, but went and checked the new flower out 2 days later and BAM the fruit has doubled in size. YAY! Also noticed a heap more flowers budding. VERY VERY EXCITED"

There's no hope for you Jess, you're a goner including myself, I think we need help.
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amanda says...
Are we talking passionfruit addictions!? I was hooked at first taste 35yrs ago and have never been able to fully satisfy my addiction since!
Where are u Jess? I would have thought flowering would be finishing up by now - unless u are in the tropics maybe?
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BJ says...
Nah, the flowers are still appearing and continuing to set here. Yellows are probably all set, the reds and blacks are just getting started now...
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Brad says...
noticed a couple flowers on mine this morning too
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peter says...
Don't rely on bees for passion fruit pollination.Do it your self especially if the flowers are scarce on your passion fruit.
Get a soft brush,wipe a decent amount of pollen from the 5 anthers of a flower onto it.Then wipe the pollen onto each of the 3 ovaries of another flower. Pickup some more pollen from that flower and move to the next (also go back to the first flower ) etc. Got it?
Almost 100% success rate if you do this.
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amanda says...
Really Brad? It's been perfect passionfruit weather this summer in WA? Which type are u referring to here and how old is your vine? - just out of curiousity...?

Looks like we may have lots of p'fruit maturing thru winter again? For what it is worth - I consider my climate here to be perfect for p'fruit in WA - especially seasonally...and with regard to cooler climate purples and more tropical panamas. We are still 36 oc every day - my panamas are not flowering now at all. I wonder about about their sensitivity to day-light lengths and/or an accumulation of the lengths..therefore...? Intersting.
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Jess says...
Am in Newcastle, NSW - considered sub-tropics. Wouldn't say it has been particularly warm lately (before yesterday that is - which was high 30's).

It's probably worth noting my partner unintentionally whippersnipped a whole chunk of the vine about 2 weeks ago, which i was intially pretty cross about, but it seems to have promoted new growth and flowering.

We don't really get frosts here and the vine faces the West, so we'll see how we go.
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Brad says...
its a sunshine special. No idea when planted (wasn't me). I also didn't prune it (I'd planned to). It gave ripe fruit around the time we bought it (late winter), we got a small summer crop that finished around january and there are still green fruit on the vine. quite strange.
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amanda says...
Yes - my sunshine special does the exact same thing Brad. And it has green fruit for awhile now (2nd flush) and they don't look like changing colour anytime soon.
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Bob says...
My Passion Fruit vine is thriving atm. My family is loving it! but lately we have found many big yellow ones half eaten on the ground. We assume that it is because of rats? Wondering if there's any remedies to prevent this?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I bought a product called "Scat" from the local hardware shop. Awful name but it works. I sprayed the base of the passionfruit vine where I thought they were accessing it and haven't lost a fruit since. Undetectable smell too, I think it works as an aluminium salt which they don't like the taste of.
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Sharon says...
That sounds like what may have happened to my Nellie Kelly passionfruit. It has been in the ground for 18 months, and has very vigourous growth with lots of flowers but no fruit. Now there are lots of suckers coming up within a few of metres of the main plant, so might need to remove and start again.
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JK says...
The usual problem with Passion fruit is, even though it produces lot of flowers, may will not get pollinated, and will drop off
To overcome this, its a good idea to hand pollinate using a soft brush.. usually late afternoons..
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amanda says...
Passionfruit are strange beasts at times - mine is literally smothered in flowers right now and buzzing with bees, 100's of new fruit growing - and it's now officially winter here!....but - the weather suddenly changed this week and we had loads of rain and it's cooler - so I noticed this morning that it has 'aborted' a fair few of the newly pollinated flowers (have a tiny fruit in them) - they have dropped right off the vine.

I don't mind cos there is so many anyway...but I wonder if it's the weather and it's finally realised it's time to stop...or - if it's a case of there not being enough soil food to support all of the new baby fruit - so it's shed some of the load...??

So even when u get pollination - there can be other bumps in the road too.. :)
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Mike says...
I have grown about 10 passionfruit varieties and several granadilla varieties.I gave up on all the black ones because they're weak and sour with only the yellow and red panamas and yellow africans thriving.They last about 3 years befoe woody virus kills them.African yellows are best and red panamas are too sour.
They have flushes of fruit and flowers at any time and fruit more with P,K and micronutrients but heavy N holds them back.
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Jay says...
Hi
My passionfruit plant is going strong. The fruits continue to form (far less in number now it is winter.

I have the problem of immature fruit falling off the vine while still greeny yellow, but I pick them up, cut them open, get the beautiful juicy abundant pulp out and mix with a bit of caster sugar.

Voila! Perfectly ripe passionfruit pulp.

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amanda says...
Red panama too sour Mike? What are u feeding them to make them sour?
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Vicki says...
Has anyone successfully grown a passionfruit in a large wine barrel against a north facing fence? I had a nelly kelly there once in the ground but the base graft went everywhere invading other beds etc. It is also near a large tree. I would also like to plant a non grafted variety. Any ideas?
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snottiegobble says...
Vicki, every nelly kelly I have come across grows wild passiflora below the graft sooner or later. I honestly dont know why people still buy them! I have a lovely vigorous seedling growing that can never revert back! Have you considered buying a black passionfruit & sowing your own seeds from it?
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Vicki says...
Yes I have, with no success. I have seen non grafted seedlings in the nursery and will try one of them next if it is possible to grow it in a wine half barrel. Thanks for the reply.
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Lisa says...
My passionfruit has caught something from my grape tree. I have had a look at the net but i think you guys will be able to help. I have beautiful green leaves with all these tiny yellow cirles on them. The oldercircles go white in the middle and brown (dead)circle around the white. The white then drops out and i am left with a hole. Is this a rust?I de leafed the grape but was to late and the pasionfruit has picked it up.
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amanda says...
Hi Lisa...I could be wrong - but it looks like regular winter damage - how cold has it been down there? Have you had any light hail or frost?

The cold wind and heavy rain do similar to the leaves on my passionfruit at this time of the year - they look pretty tatty right now - especially the older leaves. Mine tend to drop a lot of these leaves in winter also.

Wait and see what the new warm weather/spring flush is like.

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Lisa says...
Thanks Amanda,
The grape and passionfruit run around our cement rain water tank. So they would be cold. The mornings have been cold, but still nice through the day. Is there anything i can do and should i bin fallen leaves for soil contaimination. All my fruit is fine and still ripening.
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amanda says...
Nah Lisa - the leaves are great to leave around the vine - mine love the mulch they make - and so do the worms :) Passionfruit have very shallow root systems so the dead leaves a great help in summer too. It's not a fungus.

I have loads of fruit too :) They tend to be a bit more sour than the summer ripened ones but I am not complaining!

Some of my fruit has decided to shrivel up and drop, in the cool wet weather - but so are everyone elses around here - so I am not worried about it.

I can take a pic of my leaves if u like - they are in worse shape than yours! :D
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Lisa says...
Stiil not sure on the cold weather idea as it seems to be spreading and i left about 2 leaves on my grape and it looks like a mould now on the leaves so i am trying to protect the passionfruit from it. We are organic so i am unsure what to do. Would love a photo of your leaves. Thanks for this.
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amanda says...
Hi Lisa - here is a pic of one of my passionfruit vines that has been officially diagnosed (by Agriculture Dept testing) as have a passionfruit woodiness virus (which is not uncommon)

It is possible yours may have this. There is no cure. The expert told me that there are different severities of infection. This vine still grows and produces good fruit - just not a lot of them. It has improved since I planted it - but I should really replace it. I have two vines with this - the other shows small, bunchy and crinkled leaves.

If the infection is more severe it produces fruit with very thick woody shells and little pulp. Does this sound familiar for yours?


(ps - too dark to get a pic of the healthy vine at moment...it's easy to tell the difference though - as leaf in this pic here is perfectly healthy - other than the yellow spots - the healthy weather/winter worn one has tatty leaves....what are yours like?)
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Lisa says...
Thanks Amanda,
Yep sounds right.
i believe this disease has come from my grape and passed on to the pasionfruit. Should i pull the grape?
Very sad!
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snottiegobble says...
Lisa, i am surprised that your grape still has leaves on it , they are deciduous & it will need pruning anyway before spring. Just check out any winery near you & you will see that they are all cut back. Both your grape & P.F will come back with healthy leaves in spring so dont worry!
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amanda says...
Hi lisa - no - it is specific to the passionfruit only. I would leave the p'fruit until the spring growth flush and reasses then. Passionfruit also deliberately put on little yellow spots to deter egg laying insects.

What troubles me about yours is that the spots have a dead/necrotic centre to the yellow spot - almost like they have copped a spray of something they shouldn't have and it's burnt the leaves. Anyway - it's up to you :)
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Innocent says...
I Planted a Passion fruit plant and it is almost one and half years now it has not bear any flower not to talk of fruits. Its really very annoying. I felt it will bear fruits in one year time but now all it does is to grow and creep everywhere without bearing a sing flower.

What should i do in this state. also advise some of the some ways i could manage the plant.
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ken says...
i think if you use sulphate of potash,that might help.google it before you do as i am not 100% but i know that a certain product really gives it a kickalong.all the best
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ken says...
another thing,mine is about same age,flowered but never produced fruit.as we speak i have just got two beaut large fruit.apparently they will be ok,but you have to be patient.what area do you live.does it get plenty of sun and what sort of soil?
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JK says...
With Passion fruit, somehow, the flowers dont attract te bees..
I had the same problem, then someone suggested, I hand pollinate the flowers..
And I got a Bumper crop, almost all the flowers I pollinated became fruits.. But you have to make sure you pollinate by afternoon.. because by evening the flowers close. Also a good idea to collect pollen in the morning.. and pollinate by late afternoon.. as sometimes, when its too windy, the pollen get blown away
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amanda says...
Hi JK - that's odd? I can't get near my vines when they are flowering...there's usually 4 or 5 bees working each and every flower!? :)
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Wazzbat says...
I still have my fingers crossed that my Nelly Kelly and Sunshine Special start to flower then fruit soon. They have been in well over a year now and I got a handful of flowers last year but no fruit. I'm tossing up whether to hand pollinate "when" it does flower??? I don't want to waste any potential fruit???
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amanda says...
Hey Wazzbat - my Sunshine special has just started flowering like mad - so u can't be too far away now down there!

My panamas need more heat yet - so just putting out a cupla pathetic efforts as yet.. :) Just finished harvesting the panama reds from winter - two milk crates full...
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Wazzbat says...
2 milk crates full? Sooooooo jealous!
I really hope my SS flowers like mad. If not, I might have to get you to send me down a milk crate full!
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amanda says...
Many more went rotten on the ground Wazzbat (and I gave heaps away) crazy vine...I might prune it now - trouble is it's go so massive I don't know where to begin...? :-( (god knows what creepy crawlies are living inside it too..urghh!?)

A friend has a maniac yellow fruiting vine (seedling and not a panama) - I am going to get some seed from her too - as it's a prolific bearer and the fruit is still good when it goes a bit crinkly...it fruits late also.

Panamas are a bit different to purples (and sunshine special) they don't taste so good once they go all crinkly. I always think it's very cheeky of the shops to sell wrinkled up panamas for $2 each..!?

(ps - my friend and I both tip prune our vines...and we get bucket loads of fruit...?)
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BJ says...
Amanda, I also have one of those vigrous 'maniac' yellow passionfruit vines grown from seed. I is as good as most fruit from my panama vines and is everbearing, which is great as my panamas dump truckloads of fruit through summer and autum, but are finished by winter. These ones also make a lovely sweet marmalade as the inner part to the carp is fleshy and white.
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Wazzbat says...
Please stop!
I just hand watered my babies, with a beer in hand, scouring over them looking for any signs of flowers. Every day I check for flowers and still - nothing.
I don't need to hear about fruit rotting on the ground Amanda lol! I wish I had more room for more vines.
$2 at the shops is cheap. They have been charging $2.50 here for a long time and I have been known to pay that on a few occasions. They have been big panamas though and very tasty. I have been tempted to plant a few of the seeds but know I would probably be wasting my time here in Perth.
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amanda says...
Hey Wazzbat - I have a fortune sitting in my kitchen then!? lol!

I dunno - Perth is not that much colder than here...? And no frost - that's the important part....I can send u some seed if u ever want to try.

I reckon I have the passionfruit secrets down pat now ;) (I adore them u see..)

(ps - hey u should feel sorry for me - I have to pulp that lot, for freezing! eek!? :D
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Wazzbat says...
OMG! You are really rubbing it in now. I will happily pulp them for you. And eat them while I'm at it.
If I had of known, I would have let you know, I was up your way a couple of weeks back. I was on the Pacific Sun cruise ship. We got off the boat for a quick walk around the town. We were looking for somewhere to buy an icecream for my kids but we couldn't find one anywhere??? I would have settled for passionfruit any day!

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amanda says...
Yes that's a sad part about Gero Wazzbat... a big topic in the local papers. It's a good enuf' town but very much held back by 'heritage families' and very poor service standards :(
We would have seen your ship from our lounge room - daughter and I count the ships every morning! Small world huh.
Damn - u could have come up here and collected seed n cuttings!?
I am going to save these special passionfruit seeds anyway - and if I can get them going in Leshenault - then I will send them up to Perth for sure ok :)
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Wazzbat says...
OK = Thanks.

Not sure how they will go down there though? One can only try?

I'm sure I heard somewhere that the best way to grow from seed is to do it fresh? Can't remember where I read/heard this but they said that you clean all the pulp off and plant straight away? I could be wrong though?
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amanda says...
Nah Wazzbat...my fruit go rotten on the ground and seedlings pop up all the time...they are tough little seeds and will stay dormant in the ground until some exciting happens - even a year later (in the case of my ex-chook pen seedlings)

My email is sunley(at)wn(dot)com(dot)au If u send me your postal address I will pop some in the mail (of the yellow round one and the panama red)

I am sure they will do ok in Perth - you may need to give them a little protection for the first winter tho. It's really not that cold in near-Perth in winter anymore.
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Wazzbat says...
I need to find a place to put them first but I might just do that Amanda. Thanks.
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au0rey says...
Amanda, I am so jealous about your harvest lady! ;p

My first vine died. Second one dying... Third one hopefully lucky...I can't seem to grow passion fruit well. Poor DS is stil waiting for my passion fruit tart hahaha.
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amanda says...
Must be that clay of yours hey au0rey? Maybe you should try planting on a big mound of loam? (and even try a trench of gravel underneath perhaps?) They have very shallow roots so should work ok. And use a moisture meter to gaurd against over watering..?

(Am I remembering your garden right -about the clay..?)
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Melissa says...
Hi Amanda,

Melissa here, been awhile since I've posted :-)

My Nelly Kelly black has been flowering well and has had set fruit since late August, early September. I've lost loads of flowers that haven't set but I haven't had the time this year to pollinate everyday; was overseas for two weeks early September.

I planted a Misty Gem last year that is also growing well and flowering in abundance. I can't for the life of me work out why it isn't setting fruit as I'm pollinating the same as the Nelly Kelly; is it not tolerant with hand pollination?

I does have a couple of fruit on the vine but I daresay they have self set.

Still no bees; not a one to bee seen LOL. So having to do their job for them.

Does anyone have some suggestions on getting the Misty Gem to set fruit? (I tried to get a Sunshine Special from Daleys but they didn't have any available last year and only had Misty Gems)

Bye for now and happy growing.....

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Melissa says...
Does anyone know anything about growing strawberries in hanging baskets? Is there a strawberry thread?

I'm after a basket called "Easi Basket" but can only "find them" in the UK not Australia!

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Julie says...
Melissa , there are quite a few threads. Just go to the search box at top right and type in 'strawberries'.

Then add your question to one of the threads.
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amanda says...
Just to update - my sunshine special that has the woodiness virus seems to have overcome it after 2yrs...there is no spotting on the leaves and the vine is loaded with fruit n flowers this season...

So I guess the Ag Dept guy was right about there being different levels of severity of the disease also. Perhaps a healthy vine can overcome the infection to some extent also..?

Glad I didn't pull it up after all!? :)
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Wazzbat says...
Awesome! I'm still paying $2.50 per fruit at the shops!!! And my flowers are dropping off one by one =-(
Maybe I've fed them too much? No more poo for my PF vines!
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Mike says...
When my vines get the woody virus they never come back properly no matter what I do.I plant new ones and no longer have any of the 2 species of granadillas,P.'alata' or african yellow, just 2 yellow panamas.I acquired a seedling a a strange species I can't figure out.I am told the fruit is very large,brown,spherical, sweeter than P.edulis and the plant doesn't match anything on-line.All I know is that it is grown in SE Asia and is nothing like P.ligularis.
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amanda says...
Sounds intriguing Mike!? Does it have grey pulp?
Wazzbat - is your vine getting enuf water? I ended up getting a $10 moisture meter from Bunnings - and it's been so helpful - I was locked into the "deep watering" for deep roots - and this isn't ideal for sands or passionfruit...the meter showed me the error too! ;) They are incredibly thirsty vines.

I've never had my flowers drop off en-masse (only young fruit shrivel up during hot weather due to lack of water - for only 4 days!) and I feed mine manure...you have bees around there? Are they pollinated do u think..?

Here are two I just picked off my sunshine special - one is fine the other is going to be aborted. I am not too bothered by it yet - but will look into it if becomes ongoing after the 'heatwave'...

What do yours look like..?

I alternate shallow and deep watering nearly every day now...they will take a lot of it in our sand and climate...(left the sprinkler on one for 10hrs by accident - didn't affect it at all..)

I'd give it a one week trial of good watering and see if it helps first..?
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Mike says...
Amanda, they are only tiny and I only have the information I gave on them.The foliage is not like anything I have seen.Perhaps the 'discretion' about them had something to do with their pathway but I didn't look a gifthorse in the mouth.
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Wazzbat says...
Hi Amanda. I think pollination is the problem? I have tried hand pollinating but only for each individual flower and not between flowers because there has only ever been one flower open at a time (that I have been able to catch anyway).

Pretty sure that water is not the problem. Every time I check the soil, it is moist.

There are hundreds of tiny flowers on my Sunshine Special which haven't opened up yet so hopefully I will have some luck with that?

They are not in an ideal spot either. They're facing north but unfortunately positioned under my eaves so only the bottom half of the vines get sun most of the day. I will be creating another area for more vines to plant next year and it will be a lot more ideal for PF vines. It will also be about 15 to 20m long so I can fit a few different ones in!!! It's on a North facing fence on the south side of my block and there is a frame which runs up the fence and back to my gutters. I have been keeping an eye on it throughout the day and it gets a lot of sun in Summer. Not sure it will get that much in winter but I figured it won't matter too much?
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Now I just need to work out how to get a hold of some different varieties. I really want to try a Banana, a Misty Gem and a Panama Gold Select (self pollinating) and maybe one of those special hybrid super sweet varieties (if I can get one). That will add to my Gold, Sunshine Specials, Pink Cheeks and Nelly Kelly Black. I was hoping that in a year or two, I'd have more PFs than I knew what to do with?
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amanda says...
Hey Wazzbat...it won't hurt to leave out the fertiliser if u think it's a problem....once it has set fruit and they are off and running - then u can reintroduce the manure and water - as this will be needed to help fill the fruit.

When u plant your vines maybe get some lavender or rosemary in too - it will help bring the bees. Thai basil is great - as u can just pull it out once the flowering part is over - and re-sow every spring...it's quite compatible with a passionfruit vines needs - soil and water wise. It's a bee magnet too :)

What type is vine is it? (please don't say N.Kellie purple - eek! Can't help u with that one...there are whole threads devoted to problems with it....I wouldn't bother with again (myself) - only as a seedling purple from a shop bought fruit...)



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Wazzbat says...
Yep - Is NK - I thought it was black not purple but you might be right? Anyway, I bought and planted it weeks before I read all the bad reports about it. I haven't had any suckers yet though so fingers crossed I can stay on top of it.

The NK is planted about 2m from the Sunshine Special. I didn't have a lot of room for them and wanted to try two different vines so that if one didn't fruit, I might have better luck with the other one.

I probably should have planted some other plants to attract the bees but to be honest, I thought I had lots of bees around last year and the PF flowers themselves would attract enough bees. Hopefully when the SS flowers start opening up soon, the bees will arrive!
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amanda says...
You might get lucky with yours Wazzbat...some folk have...I get the feeling that most vines need 2 seasons to really get going....(has been that way with all my vines at least) and by the 3rd year they are off and running...

Maybe by the 5th or 6th year it's time to start thinking of raising a replacement vine...

The weather is still a little funny - even up here...stinking hot last week and now I am in a jumper..?? I don't see my many bees when it's 38oC and blowing a gale either...

In jan/feb you should definitely have more flower action...especially if the vine is 2yrs or older...if not then it needs some stern talking to! :D
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Wazzbat says...
I didn't realise the flowers kept going for that long? Awesome - some hope.
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amanda says...
If u Google "what initiates flower development in Passionfruit?" there are some interesting articles that discuss photo-periods etc

This is one (a bit technical - but the gist is there)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20626645

The purples do seem to be earlier than the panamas, here. I haven't looked into this much as yet.

Many of my panama fruit are not ripened b4 the end of summer - as they flower so much later..? Maybe if I was in the tropics they would.

The sunshine special (a purple) will flower and ripen earlier.
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amanda says...
PS - here's another link which discusses self compatibility etc...

http://www.rirdc.gov.au/programs/established-rural-industries/pollination/passionfruit.cfm
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Wazzbat says...
Cheers Amanda. I have actually read that second one before. Very interesting. I don't like the Yellow Passionfruit not being good at pollinating. Daleys sell a Yellow - Gold Select which they claim is self pollinating? I want to try one!
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amanda says...
I am a bit confused about the 'yellow' ones Wazzbat? Also the self pollinating and self compatible etc...I was surprised to see that Pan yellow/gold needs a pollinator..? It doesn't say this on the label when u buy them..?

I am not sure which ones are P.edulis "yellows" - maybe Hawiian yellow? I am pretty sure my friends yellow is an edulis - but she has two - so there would be cross pollination going on.

Maybe someone else has a good understanding of it..?

And perhaps this is where folk strike problems with Big Boppa and such - maybe they need another vine...? It's all a bit mysterious isn't it!? :D
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Wazzbat says...
Yeah?
From what I understand, the standard yellows need another vine to pollinate with. I'm sure though, that over the years, some yellows have been "modified" to self pollinate. I'm no expert and I haven't even produced a fruit yet let alone one off a yellow vine.

I scored my yellow from the local nursery because it was not looking very healthy at all. It has since made it to the top of my fence and I will start to train in along my wires now. It is a "Maxi Gold" whatever that means? I googled but found not much info. I have no idea of it's botanical name?

Anyway, I planted it opposite my blacks about 3 metres away hoping that it would be able to cross pollinate with them. I'm not sure whether it's possible for cross pollination between yellows and blacks but if I get flowers but no fruit, I will maybe plant another? Because it was given to me, I'm not too bothered if it doesn't fruit.

When I get my other vines going, that will be where I'll be expecting lots of fruit. I want to try as many different varieties as I can get my hands on.
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amanda says...
That's what I am wondering too Wazzbat....Panamas are P.flavicarpa, purples are P.edulis and then in that last link they mention yellows as Passiflora edulis Sims f. flavicarpa Degener...??

I don't know if the "Sims" flavicarpa is the same as just the panama "flavicarpa"...? Does anyone else..?

Anyway - is does mention that the yellows need pollination from "another cultivar" - so it sounds like u will be fine there Wazzbat.
I don't have two of the same vines and they all ok..? (they are not particularly close to each other either - as much as 20m apart)

I gets confusing when crosses happen between diffirent cultivars - that's why I am guided a bit by what works for me and for others (eg: sunshine special) and why it's good to gather 'intelligence' about the different types - so we know if we need two vines at least..?

My friends yellow must be either self compatible and/or x-compatible - so that's why I feel it's worth collecting seed from...and I am betting it will come true to type also (no other vines anywhere near her)

I think breeding stuff up's do happen - as my "Big Red" has turned out to be a small, sour yellow!? lol.
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Jantina says...
Has anyone ever tasted the fruit off a Nelly Kelly rootstock? Due to my slack gardening there is still some rootstock intertwined with the banana passionfruit and this year the rootstock is covered with fruit. Whether that's because it has been pollinated by the banana passionfruit (which is also covered with flowers and fruit this year) or not I don't know.
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Amanda - That's why I want to plant as many different varieties as possible. Once they are all up and running, I can work out which one works the best for my garden. Hopefully I can find one that produces lots and lots of sweet, juicy fruits!!!
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Jantina - I think I have read somewhere before that the rootstock that Nelly Kelly uses produces fruit that is very tart. I think they don't really ripen up? They will stay green. I could be wrong but it will be interesting to see? Make sure you let us know?

It could be a different story though if it has cross pollinated with your banana PF?
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Jantina says...
Thanks Wazzbat, if it is tart then it might make good jam. It is intertwined with the banana p. but next to that the blacks are also flowering and fruiting prolifically so goodness knows what we'll get. Maybe it's just a good passionfruit year
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Just did a bit of googling and it looks like the fruit turns yellow as it ripens? Some people like them apparently? I guess you will find out soon enough? Good Luck!
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amanda says...
Sounds like fun Jantina! It makes u wonder what kind of offspring they 'may' produce if they did all cross!? :)

I reckon that's a great plan of attack Wazzbat...you may be able to extend your season too...
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Jantina, I've eaten them, kinda dodgy but it's edible :)!
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brad says...
28s are eating too many of my sunshine special's flowers. hadn't noticed that before
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Wazzbat says...
Kind of hard to net a PF vine??? Good luck with that Brad.
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Jantina says...
Thanks Jason, I'll have to be careful with them, don't want 200 seedlings popping up and acting like triffids.
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amanda says...
Hey Brad - the parrots have good taste eh? ;-) I'm curious though - how do u actually stop this happening..? Stick a big fake eagle up or something..?
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Wazzbat says...
A live scarecrow!
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amanda says...
Maybe a bowl of seed nearby as a 'sacrificial anode'...? :)
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brad says...
tried the big waterpistol on them over the weekend. they kept coming back. there's so much food around for them at the moment - they do pick and choose, but I won't give them a bowl of food.
its not for everyone but I want to share some with nature - I've just got to learn how to get 'my' balance right especially while my garden's productivity is still low. I suspect down the track I will throw bird netting over a couple metres of the fence and let the birds access the rest. I didn't notice this problem last year, so I'm guessing they are changing their food because of less stonefruit in perth this year???
speaking of 28s... time to net the small fig tree...they're not getting any of those!
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Wazzbat says...
Anyone got some bees I can borrow? My flowers are still dropping - one after the other. Not cool.
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amanda says...
Interesting Wazzbat...my sunshine special has started dropping her flowers - so I have to pull my finger out now and investigate...(rolls eyes! :) Bees no dramas here...other vines setting fine..."something" is going on... ;-)

This vine gets the least water of all my vines and it's already carrying a fair load. I haven't fed it since spring. It's also producing "blanks" - ie no flower - just the sepals. Maybe it's flowering season has finished...no idea there (must keep notes in future)

I am going to give it some good drinks - 3m out from the trunk at least...and some rooster booster. Will let u know how it goes...

Any tree or vine will only carry what it can support, at the end of the day...? And even then: you can have 100 tiny plums - or cull 50% and have 50 decent plums, cull 75% and get 25% huge tasty plums...etc

It's a detective game sometimes I reckon..?? :o) A curious plant for sure tho....love their challenge though - and the prize is one of the "all time best fruits" - in my humble opinion.. :)

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Wazzbat says...
This is possibly the happiest day of my life. Other than my wedding day a few years back which was just awesome - I had a bet on the Caufield Cup and won about $600 - Best wedding day ever - ha ha!

Anyway, I had to prune back my two Black PFs today because they were getting out of control and to my surprise, I spotted a little green round thing growing inside one of the flower pod thingos. Finally set a fruit. Then I found another and then another and then another!!! Yay! 4 fruit set so far. Maybe my hand pollinating actually worked. I still haven't spotted any bees? There are a lot of ants though so maybe they do pollinate the fruit? I think I might have to tag the flowers I pollinate by hand next time?

Not 100% sure which vine they were on but I think it was 2 on each - Grafted NK and Sunshine Special. I just hope I can get them to stay on the vines until they ripen. Happy days!
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Wazzbat says...
On another note, I found some Big Boppa PF vines at a nursery today. Found a bit of info on this forum but wondering if anyone else has had any success with this cultivar? Looks interesting and very BIG!
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amanda says...
Wazzbat - do a Big Boppa search in the 'search' function (top right hand main forum page) with all the vines u have now surely you would have some success!?
How on earth do u fit them all in to a suburban block in Vic Park..? :)
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Wazzbat says...
I did a search Amanda but not that much info on them - success etc?

I don't have that many vines yet (just the 6)... 2 x SS, 1 x NK, 1 x Gold, 2 x Pink Cheek. I need to prep up the other side of the house where I will be able to fit at least another 4 varieties! Probably won't happen till later next year though. Funds are getting tight. Need the Mrs to get back to work! The Big Boppa sounds unreal. Might have to give it a go.

The seeds from the Red that I planted are starting to germinate now too so I will be planting one of those. That leaves me with 2 more to find???

It's a shame it's hard to buy PF vines them plant them later down the track otherwise I would have bought the BB yesterday.
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amanda says...
I saw them in Bunno's yesterday too. Not much info on the tag is there? Not even a species name :-( Only one way to find out Wazzbat! Maybe you can be our 'tester' :) You are certain to get some cross pollination with 8 vines in one block surely.

(Some comments in other threads mostly asked if they were self sterile from memory...) Maybe Santa might bring u one for Xmas :)
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Wazzbat says...
Unfortunately the sandy strip I am going to plant the rest of the PFs needs a bit of work before I can plant anything. I'm thinking of putting some sort of edging in first too??? Was thinking probably next Summer I might throw some plants in there? We'll see how I go but def want to try a Big Boppa!
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Wazzbat says...
I might give Soil Solver a go in that garden strip I'm going to plant the PF in?

I can't believe how quick my PFs are growing? I can't put my hand around one of them. How long do they normally take to ripen up from the time they set fruit?

Have about a dozen flowers to pollinate today or tomorrow. Looks like some pretty consistent weather for the next few days. Perfect for PF vines! Yay.
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Wazzbat says...
My NK Black and SS Passionfruits are continuing to produce fruit! Yay! I have been hand pollinating almost every day and that seems to be doing the trick. Thank god for You Tube! I have been seeing bees around the last couple of days too but no flowers have opened for them the last since they've been around.
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amanda says...
Great Wazzbat! I just picked my first 1/2 doz S.Specials (for the Xmas pavlova) Still waiting for my panamas to crank up - it's still fairly cool for us - so they may be late this season....and carry the fruit over winter again.
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brad says...
You picked or they dropped?
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brad says...
You picked or they dropped?
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Wazzbat says...
Up to about 15 now. I wish I could pick some now Amanda. Which ones taste the best Amanda out of the ones you have grown?

Merry Xmas to all by the way. Hope it's a good one for everyone!
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amanda says...
Dropped fruit. Depends Wazzbat - I am pretty partial to the intensity of a purple - but also the sweetness of a panama - so far the S.Special has filled the gap between the two for me.

I love the sweetness of a Panama - but it just doesn't have that full on passionfruit flavour 'hit' like a purple...but purples are often a bit sour/tart to me.

Most of the true purples I have ever eaten are not very satisfying in terms of pulp content either - but panamas are loaded.

Anyway - a dude came up here the other day to get cuttings of my S.Special - the only vine he was interested in for propogation. He will be selling them at the markets (he also took some white sapote for tissue culture)

So that was interesting I thought. He knew his stuff - so I am going to learn tissue culture with him :)
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Wazzbat says...
Cool. I didn't know you could grow PF from cuttings? Does it fruit quicker than from seed?

I just scored a fruit form a Tutti Frutti which I am going to use the seeds of for growing some babies. Have to wait till after Xmas though when I will have a bit more time to care for them.

My Red Panama seedlings are coming along nicely now. They are still pretty small but are looking healthy!
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amanda says...
Apparently they do Wazzbat. Has anyone here tried p'fruit cuttings..?
Never heard of Tutti Frutti!? What colour is it etc..?
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Wazzbat says...
Tutti frutti is a black. Haven't tasted it yet but apparently it's quite sweet? Found it through another forum? Will let you know when I cut it open. If the seedlings work out, you're welcome to have a couple? Just have to work out how to get them to you? 👍
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amanda says...
Cool - will be really interested to see how they go Wazzbat. Thanks for the offer too :) Might wait till u have all the hard work done and give the fruit/vine the stamp of approval!? :D

It's been scorching up here (40 oC) so my panamas have now started to burst into flower...Gave my S.Special a big soaking and some food as it's still dropping a fair few flowers...(although - it's probably too hot for the bees too..? :-( Loads of different wasps around but that's about it.
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Wazzbat says...
I had the same. Lots of wasps around. Do they help pollinate do you know?
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snottiegobble says...
Amanda, my black passionfruit ( NK seedling) suddenly has fruit going purplish very quickly & some are dropping still with some green on them. Is this normal & do you ripen them off the vine?
They taste very taaaaaaaaarrrt , but may still be OK on a Pav!
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Peter says...
yes, same experience. My partly green ones are mature enough to after ripen. I just leave them in the sun for a day or two and they color up - but less tasty then the ones falling down in full color.
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amanda says...
U giving it plenty of water SG? I am watering nearly every day now....a hand watering and then also deep soaking with retic, once or twice a week.

Just had a big feed of a friends purple's from Bunbury actually! (the one with the paw paw) his are very sweet for a purple (N.Kelly) he uses tonnes of manure (has farm connections) I am impressed - so that's saying something!? :D

U could try some potash (or - Brendans fave - a little epsom salts...?)

Exposing some of the fruit by removing some leaves usually helps me out - as fruit buried in the foliage never seems to fully ripen for me...even here?
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snottiegobble says...
Amanda,I will try giving it more of a soak! All my fruit formed about the same time & then the vine stopped flowering altogether. So there is just one crop!
The Big Red hasnt bothered to flower as yet although its a more robust vine! Should I persevere with it & give it potassium?
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amanda says...
Yup SG. I will be interested to see if yours are Big Reds or Small Yellows :D Try a little leaf removal too?

I have NO bees lately. Have no idea why.

It's taken me a few weeks to realise what has been "missing" in the garden of late - and it's my bees. I usually have heaps of them.

Being on 30 acres - I know that nothing has changed around my plot to cause this. Maybe it's a weather thing. Curious, anyway.

U may very well get a second flush of flowers in late summer/early autumn SG...

I reckon u should try my friends neat little yellow - it can handle summer and u may get a better spread of your crop...?
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snottiegobble says...
Little yellow? I havent seen it for sale Amanda! Your bees may be high up gathering nectar from tall eucalypts. Are there any in the area that have dense flowering?
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amanda says...
Yea - we don't know it's name SG..maybe it's a Hawiian yellow (that's as close as I can match it) It's a beautiful fruit and very prolific too.

I have tuart trees on the block...can't say I have ever seen them flower now U mention it SG....maybe the flower is too small and I just haven't noticed? They are all 10-15yrs old..

It's very quiet without the bees...
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Hillshoister says...
Hi There, I've had a black ungrafted passionfruit vine for 5 years now which fruits wonderfully. I have it setup in a half tank & climbing up a hillshoist clothesline. I revamp the soil every year with newspaper, chicken manure, winter pot belly stove ash and my dead pumpkin vines after the summer. Last year it was dropping me 40 passionfruit per day for 2 weeks at its peak and this year it started off looking promising with about 20 per day, but half of the fruit are falling off ripe but with big yellow blotches on them. A few are just starting to purple up with these blotches also. Any ideas on causes for this?
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snottiegobble says...
Could it be unseasonally early hot sun when the fruit where half grown or did you spray with something in the heat of the day?
Anyway you can use our hoist anytime to dry your clothes! :-)
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Hillshoister says...
So, water could do that? A market gardener suggested I could have a sucking insect of some form? I have seen these tiny brown beetles in abundance about the size of a pin head, but I assumed they're only there for the litter. People are throwing the hoists away for the extendable clotheslines, no waste here... not at the price you can get for passionfruit from the stores. IF they dont have unsightly big blotches on them!!
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amanda says...
Hey Wazzbat - just to update: my Sunshine Special has stopped growing blank flower stalks and is now covered in real ones again (that are not dropping off)
I fed it dynamic lifter (posted above 29/12) and have been giving it some extra water :)

Don't know about the wasps - but sometimes I see them investigating flowers...maybe looking for caterpillars. If they do pollinate it would likely be more by accident than design think?

(ps: scary - but I dig a big clean up under this vine the other day...last night went to grab a ripe fallen fruit and there was a ruddy great brown snake right next to it! eek!)
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snottiegobble says...
Braised snake & passionfruit sauce, Yum!
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amanda says...
Hi all...does anyone know if fruit fly can do this to passionfruit? It's a puncuture wound and it happens when the fruit are small and green. There are never any bugs/larvae in the fruit though - even when fully ripe.

It leaves a small raised "pimple" ont he inside of the skin. The pulp inside is always fine.

I am not bothered by it - but I have been watching for ages and I have never caught the culprit? Any thoughts? Thanks :)
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Brendan says...
Hi amanda, certainly looks like a fruit fly attack. Try spraying the young fruit with 30g copper oxychloride in 4˝ litres of water, with a 'good' wetting agent, as p/fruit are very hard to wet.
To enhance this brew, add a cup of urine as well :-) (not kiddin).
No fruit fly will land on any fruit.
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amanda says...
Lol Brendan! That is very creative :D (and interesting too...where did u learn that trick/recipe?)
I think it must be f/fly too...as I have never seen any bugs on the vines (apart from good ones) so it's something small and sneaky.
Lucky for me the shell is too thick for them.

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BJ says...
Your passiofruit seems to have alien-face disease. :/

You dont have spotting bugs or passion vine bugs there do you?
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amanda says...
Dunno BJ!? :D I have never seen them b4...I'd better go look up some images! :) I haven't seen any bugs except bees on my vines...it's a mystery to me - and I spend a lot of time with my beloved vines! ;-)
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amanda says...
I am actually pretty certain it's F/fly..I have no other bug problem at present. Don't f'fly sting anything they can anyway? And if it's a thick skinned fruit (eg pomegranates) they don't get their wicked way?

I won't be treating this, specifically, anyway - simply because the fruit is fine inside. It's only a cosmetic problem at the end of the day really... I can live with that :)
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Kathy says...
Just looked up fruit fly and passionfruit as I was interested in whether it did attack passionfruit - the answer is 'yes'. I hope the skin was too thick for it to lay eggs.
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/230612/queensland-fruit-fly.pdf
And your description of it sounds like this description: 'Fruit 'stings', where the adult has punctured the skin to lay eggs, appear as small holes which usually repair to small raised lumps in citrus and passionfruit, small T shaped marks of lumps in avocado or brown spots on persimmons, apples and pears ...' (from: http://www.tmorganics.com/on-farm/pests-and-diseases/fruit-fly.html

But - it looks like most passionfruit skin is too thick for it to lay eggs or at least for the eggs to hatch.
NOW I'm wondering if the RED passionfruit I just planted is fruit fly resistant in the same way as the black passionfruit? Anyone know - if not I'll not grow it!
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amanda says...
Thanks Kathy! I have a red panama that gets these stings? I have never, ever had maggots in the fruit..if that helps.

They don't seem to bother with my yellow passionfruit - but I will check this seasons fruit.

Or do u mean the common red?

(ps the pic is my sunshine special)
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Hi, ANY ADVICE WELCOME! I'm a newbie to F&V growing; am ultra-enthusiastic ( 2 the point of the worms, imagine their 'personalities' & 'assigning' them to work on plants that looks sad! Enough said. I'm dealing with clay so thick u could chuck it on a pottery wheel & make a vase: I'm planting F&V seeds, experimenting with clay-breaker, blood&bone, potting mix and just turning the soil. So, I want 2 plant a passionfruit vine, & wld like any hints BEFORE I buy and kill one. I was told by a young recreational, organic gardener that one needs a male & female to get fruit (like holly w/berries, or has that changed to?) NK vine is all that's on offer. What's right/wrong? And w/soil? Anything I should know? Yep, that's how 'passion-ate' I am (lol...err, or NOT) & P.S: is it true that green-tinged white can b toxic? Ta... : )

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amanda says...
U need clay help here. But - no such thing as male and female passionfruit vines? (that I have ever heard of) Some do better with pollinators tho.

Passionfruit prefer good drainage or they get root/collar rots etc (so I am told - I have sandy soil so no dramas here) Personally - it might be worth fixing up the soil first?
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Cat's m says...
...ooops - 'NAMING' (the worms) went missing from my post, d'oh!
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amanda says...
I'd be more concerned about fixing up your clay than naming your worms perhaps? ;-)
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Wazzbat says...
I had my first fruit yesterday. Found it on the ground and it wasn't what I was expecting it to look like. Looked more like a Red Panama than a Sunshine Special which I thought would look like a shrivelled up black? Maybe it just fell off too early?

Anyway, the fruit was quite full of pulp so I was happy with that. Had quite a thick skin and the pulp was quite yellow. Another reason why I would have guessed it as a Panama if I knew no better. Was slightly tart but very yummy indeed! Can't wait till the next ones are ready!!!
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amanda says...
Good one Wazzbat! It's what's on the inside that counts hey! :) When they ripen inside the canopy they are a bit pale like a panama...But (unlike a panama tho) they are still ok when they have wrinkled up, like a purple.

I find the flavour quite different to a panama too?

But purples are just too small I reckon?...lol..I like my s/s as it's not quite so tart and it's bigger!
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nick giancola says...
hi fellow lovers of fruit.
I have a tray of Panama Red passion fruit seedlings at the 3rd leaf stage ready to pot, approx 90 to 120 plants.
A $5 donation and pick them up!
I live in Gwelup 0144 587 711
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sorry guys a seniors moment correct phone no 0411 587 711
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Desley says...
Our passionfruit has just started losing its leaves,like it is dying but the 2 extreme ends of the plant are still fine? Could this be from the excess
rain?
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amanda says...
Someone else may know - but what is your soil like Desley? Is it clay? I empty our small swimming pool onto my vine and it isn't phased at all by the massive influx - but drainage good in sand based loam.

Was it healthy b4 this? How many mm of rain have u had? Maybe plant on a mound next time, if saturation a problem where u are/in your soil.

Lots of folks grow passionfruit in wetter climates than Brisbane I would suspect?
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Wazzbat says...
I'm jumping on the "Avoid Nelly Kelly Grafted Passionfruits" bandwagon. I have suckers coming up left right and centre. Plus I got most of my fruit off the Sunshine Special and hardly any off the NK. It's just not worth it. Go the Sunshine Special if you want a Black Passionfruit Vine.
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amanda says...
Agree Wazzbat! My Panama Gold is grafted and sends up loads of suckers too :-(
It's the only grafted vine I have left now...I won't be bothering with grafted again..they will grow from seed no worries.
My seedling vines are also healthier and more vigorous. 3 of my grafted plants have died now..I reckon this last one won't last much longer either.

I am going to try for a seedling black (from a highly productive NK black)...although the fruits are so small compared to the sunshine special..I am wondering if I should even bother now...?

I find the s/specials not as sour as the NK blacks? Did u find that too Wazzbat?
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cleve says...
My nelly kelly is in it's second year and has given me over 300 fruit and is just coming to the end of the crop. I have had a vegetable patch in front of it and have hit the veggie garden with every fertilizer going and the passion fruit has thrived on it so I wouldn't worry about to much fertilizer. The vine is now sending out new flower buds and I'm wondering if they can have a second crop in the same year, does any one know?
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snottiegobble says...
Cleve, I believe so in WA. because we have a long growing season!
Amanda what do you call small? mine are all about the size of true lemons or large limes! Would you like some seed sent up?
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amanda says...
I agree with SG Cleve..there is no reason u won't - u may even have fruit that carries over till this spring..and will ripen then (not usually as sweet as summer ripened - but still handy for that time of the year)

SG, my mates fruit was maybe similar - a little smaller (maybe he just gave me the small ones!? lol)

The sunshine specials are more towards tennis ball size..? A little smaller than a panama tho.

I might have to wait until I move down there to grow a purple NK seedling...I think it's too hot for them here. I have lost 3 over the years now :(
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Wazzbat says...
I haven't had enough ripe fruit off either vine to comment on the taste Amanda but from what I've seen, I wouldn't bother with a NK black again. Like you said, the SS has quite a good sized fruit and it seems to be a lot more healthy, productive etc than my NK.

I wouldn't bother chasing a NK from seed if your SS are growing well. Just grow your own seedlings from your SS fruit instead?
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amanda says...
I wonder if they have in-bred or messed up the standard purple passionfruit sometimes? They were the only vine around when I was a kid and they were great then?
I remember loaded vines etc. I wonder what happened :(
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Wazzbat says...
More pesticides = Less Bees.
Less Plants (development) = Less Bees.
Less Bees = Less Passionfruits!
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amanda says...
Too true Wazzbat :D Hey my sunshine special dropped all of it's flowers :( I think the heatwave was a bit much for it (and the bees!?) Sigh! I was so excited too...darn it.
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Wazzbat says...
Bugger!

I git a bit carried away again the other day and decided to trim some leaves to let some light on the fruit but I just couldn't stop cutting. Anyway, a few days later and all of my fruit have dropped. Not too fussed though because I have scooped out the plentiful of pulp and added a bit of sugar. I now have a good cup full of yummy home grown passionfruit pulp. I can't wait for the next crop now!
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amanda says...
Oh Wazzbat! I sympathise totally :) I don't really pull off leaves in summer...only when the weather cools? It's warm enough in Perth in summer to get sweet fruits just with the ambient temps (and patience..? lol)

I am surprised though. It may have been the effects of the heatwave and thus coincidence? I lost heaps of foliage in that heatwave anyway.

While my other vines dropped their flowers etc in the heatwave...my panama red droped leaves - but not fruit...that's because it's at the back door and gets lots of love I think...and was getting watered twice a day in the heatwave ("hose therapy" for me...quiet time at sundown :)

Were the fruits crinkly at all? I think this is a lack of water in under ripe fruits myself, after careful observation?
I went to Perth for 4 days last summer and my vines didn't get watered. They dropped every single fruit at a bit larger than golf ball size (very unusual at that stage)..they were sort of pale and crinkly too?

They can sure be a finicky plant sometimes hey...the rewards are worth it tho :)
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Wazzbat says...
No crinkles at all. That's half the reason I cut it back. Some fruit was starting to drop still slightly green and smooth as. I just assumed they weren't ready to go until they were really dark and crinkly? That's why I chopped it back.

Anyway, like I said, I wasn't too dissapointed because I got to taste some PFs at least and they were all quite full of pulp which was a good sign for future seasons!

Now I just need to try and find some time to get my "Proper" PF strip going. Needs a lot of soil prep. It's in a much better spot than my current vines. It's where I plan on trying out the Big Boppa and a Banana and whatever I can get my hands on?
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amanda says...
I wonder if anyone is growing a Panama Red or Gold in Perth?
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Jill says...
I have a grafted passionfruit vine, nearly three years old, vigours leafy growth, I don't feed it because of this growth, I have pruned it a couple of time. it has NEVER had a flowers, does it get the axe?, or do I wait one more year?, It is in a perfect position, north facing on a shed and protected. I have given it potash a couple of time.
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Wazzbat says...
Thats bad luck. I would give it the chop and try a non grafted variety! Good luck with a new vine.
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amanda says...
Hi Jill, what type of vine is it BTW?

Sounds like a dud :( - just curious if it's another Nellie Kellie purple?

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Jill says...
I think it is a Nellie Kellie, I will be sharpen the Axe this weekend!
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hi
i have a sunshine special and battled for about 18 months.flowers would fall off and not produce any fruit.i persevered and fed it with sulphate of potash(i think,check with nursery or ag department)have just had beautiful crop of magnificent fruit and is flowering again.needs water and feed when flowering.stick with it and it should reward you.
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haze4rob says...
Same story and now I have fruit for the first time and it is three years of watching almost nothing but big leaves. and this year I will have a small bucket so hope it is the start.
I did add a fruit/flower whole food kind of fertiliser rather than just the horse poo I piled on originally.
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haze4rob says...
Oh and I don't beleive the 3-5 years thing. My parents had vines for years with masses of fruit and then we moved house to where there was a very mature vine - more than 3 years old and probably lots more than - and it kept producing fruit for the 10 years they lived in that house!
and I presume it was Nelly Kelly
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Wazzbat says...
Checked my Pink Cheek vines yesterday and there a quite a few flowers on it. I only planted them last year so I'm not expecting much but you never know.

I can't reach half of the flowers because I am letting it grow up my neighbour's trees. Hopefully if it does produce fruit, the majority will fall when they are nice and ripe and hopefully they fall on my side of the fence?

Will keep everyone posted.
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amanda says...
He he Wazzbat...depends how nice your neighbours are?
If they are on the north side then the fruit will likely be on their side...but with good neighbourly relationships - u can usually come to an agreement where they will chuck half of your fruit over the fence for you....they are getting a damn good deal really - expensive fruit for no effort!? ;D

(ps - yea about the pink cheeks please! I am really interested in the results - especially now I have gone a bought one :D
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Wazzbat says...
I'm on the North side of this one!

My neighbour is actually a different neighbour every week. It's a short stay/holiday house. The owner is cool though. He or his holiday makers can have any that fall on his side.

I'm really keen too to know how they taste? Hope I get at least one this year?
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Julia says...
I'm so confused!! Most of my passionfruit flowers only have anthers and no stigma so I am getting no fruit!! Is this normal? The vine is about 10 months old, not sure what type it is though. So far I only have 1 fruit on the vine as all the other flowers seem deformed!! Please help!!!
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amanda says...
Sounds very odd Julia - maybe a photo would be helpful? Are there ants or any tiny sap suckers on the vine?
They can cause quite major distortion of new growth...dunno about actual "missing bits" though...?
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snottiegobble says...
Julia it does sound like some form of insect attack initially while the buds were just opening! Did you spray with anything during that time specially during the heat of the day? Sorry I know that is a silly question for someone like you, but we all make mistakes!
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Julia says...
There are loads of ants on the vine! Do you think they are eating it? There dont seem to be any other insects on the vine. I will try and take a good photo once the rain stops!!!
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snottiegobble says...
I am inclined to think that those ants are milking nectar from aphids on the buds & flowers! In Aust. I believe there are no ants that harvest flowers or vegetation. Some ants collect seeds to ferment underground & the northern green ants make their nests out of living vegetation but dont eat it so your ants must be onto a good thing, they dont climb vines & trees for nothing!
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Mike says...
Alot of plants have nectaries on leaf stalks to attract ants and I think passionfruit do.The ants part of the deal is to keep foliage eating insect like grasshoppers and caterpillars away.
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John Mc says...
Off topic but Mike brought up an interesting relationship between ants and plants.
The Malabar Chestnut (Pachira glabra) is a shining example of a plant encouraging ants into the canopy. My Malabar Chestnut, I think it's the Aquatica cv, hard to tell, has small circular, what look like "teats" all around the base of the immature flower buds. It appears to be exuding nectar from these points because the ants congregate madly around them.
When the tree was young the ants would bite into the bark causing lesions on the branches. Now in it's mature life, there's no more leasions, but the plant has provided these "feeding" spots, so now I let the ants do their thing and it appears eveyone is happy.
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MaryT says...
I agree, John Mc - I found lots of ants drinking the nectar from my abutilon much to my annoyance ( I usually eat the petals and drink the nectar) but then I noticed that two flowers are turning into fruit so perhaps that's meant to be. The ants are doing their job.
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amanda says...
Yes - the passionfruit do have nectaries also. There are two little lumps at the very base of the leaf adjacent to it's stem....that's them :)

Sometimes the ants are associated with aphids or scale as SG mentioned...thrips can weird new growth too.

Mike is probably right about the grasshoppers....I know they decimated my p/fruit flowers last year - they just loved them! Left the foliage alone.

What about earwigs?
A picture of a flower might help, Julia?
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Hillshoister says...
Had a market gardener suggest I wasnt watering my passionfruit enough. So, did that and it has helped alot, the fruit are still occasionally speckled but not big raised blotches.
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haslucks says...
Ive had a ned kelly black for 3 years it has loads of big flowers and ive tried the pollutation in the early morning as they didnt seem to form fruit just drop off i have loads off ants around and bee's i planted roses bushes and lavender around to help but nothing i water 2 times a week any suggestions please ill try anything before it goes into the shire pick up
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amanda says...
Does anyone know if cutting-grown passionfruit bear sooner than seedling grown? Is there any difference in time-to-fruiting between seedlings, grafts and cuttings..?

(I have a cutting-grown sunshine special to add to my collection...not tried a cutting before...)
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Igor says...
G'day to all!

I am looking for someone to give me a hand with a trifle of pollen of 2 passionfruit varieties: Red Pandora and Misty Gem, to be used in an interspecific selection program. If anyone is willing to help out, please let me know at merryrogerATmail.ru

Thanks for your attention.

Best regards from the other side of the Globe,
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Kylea says...
Hi, I was just wondering if anybody could give me a hint on how to get my passionfruit to ripen? The vine which is a panama gold had heaps of really sweet lush fruit last year. This year the vine has heaps of fruit but they are almost the size of a cricket ball & just keep staying green, when we picked one to give it a try it was very very bitter and very dry. Not sure what we are doing different from last year but would really appreciate any tips. Thanks
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Chris says...
Kylea, it depends on your climate. Some years fruit is early, some years fruit is late.
My Panama red are ripening but some will have to sit on the vine thru winter and ripen in spring. Unless you are in the tropics, not all fruit will ripen before the winter sets in, in my experience.
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Scintilla says...
It seems that a lot of people have trouble with passionfruit including me!
Last winter I planted a grafted nelly kelly and this last summer it grew like Jack's beanstalk with hundreds of flowers but no fruit.
I have looked today and saw that a number of shoots were coming from below the graft and I have removed these.
The leaves are all five patterned including quite a number of seedlings which have come up. They are separate from the original plant and are not from below the graft. I have pulled most of them out.
Is this the right thing to do? Where do thes seedlings come from if we have had no fruit(and consequently no seeds)?
The main stem is dark red for the first 30cm.
We have lots of bees and hope we get fruit next year but any advice would be welcome.
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amanda says...
The suckers can come up as far as 2m away.. :-( (from the root system - which is from the rootstock..)

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Julie says...
And they keep coming...and coming!
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amanda says...
Yes Julie ;) I reckon the whole "grafted passionfruit" business is B.S myself....(?)
But what a great way to get people to part with their $ ?

Cuttings work just as well...
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Wazzbat says...
My NK (which I cut off at it's base two months ago) is still sprouting up everywhere. The rootstock is a weed and they shouldn't be allowed to sell it!!!
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Julie says...
I wasn't exaggerating - it must be around 10 years since my p. fruit died, and I still have rootstock popping up.

Because it was behind the tree, I hadn't noticed, but two rootstock vines had climbed a nearby palm and were around 3 - 4 cms thick. Cutting them off did work, but I have (reluctantly)had to use Roundup on a number of others.
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Mike says...
These passionfruit were given to today as a champion in the taste department.They were full with a sensational musky sweet complex flavour.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Wow! What is the name of this variety Mike?
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Mike says...
Lucy there is no name just extra yummy backyard musky by by naming system.It is the best yellow I have tried for a long time and was very heavy and full.Whenever I see orange pulp I am optimistic.
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MaryT says...
I love the look of your extra yummy backyard musky, Mike :) That's the most pulp I've ever seen in a passionfruit. Lucky ducky.
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Mike says...
Mary it is not from my backyard....yet.I am going away tomorrow and have to eat all the fruit that might spoil.It might make me sick because there is loads.
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MaryT says...
I feel sorry for you Mike - NOT. Why don't you put some fruit in an esky and take them with you? If you eat so much fruit that you are sick from it then you can take a sickie and stay home to eat more fruit :)
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Mike says...
Mary I'll be on prisoners' rations and ripe fruit will get shaken and banged around and will spoil.
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MaryT says...
Sounds like a fast from fruit would not be a bad thing anyway, Mike. Have a safe trip.
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peter1000 says...
hi mike
are seeds from that frut likely to
fruit and stay true to type down here?
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Mike says...
Peter they are P.edulis flavicarpa so they need it hotter than adelaide.P.edulis should be ok.The seeds are true to type so long as there wasn't any passionfruit hanky panky.I still have to send the dragonfruit seeds to you,sorry I have been slack.
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peter1000 says...
thats ok. when ever your ready.
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amanda says...
P.edulis flavicarpa would be worth a try in Adelaide - do u get frost peter1000?
(They grow fine in Perth - I am still working on finding out how much further south they have got...)
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Mike says...
Peter I can keep seeds of the giant red and the nice yellow for you if you want to try.
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amanda says...
ps - was also going to say - why don't get a few cuttings from that yellow Mike..?
A quick shortcut to the best ;-)
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Mike says...
Amanda, mission beach people got it from others in the daintree.They gave me some odds and ends for some cuttings of trees.I can't get bits of the vine.
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peter1000 says...
mike,
yea ok, worth a try.
tell me more about that big red.

amanda, did you get my email about the sunshine special seds?
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Mike says...
Peter look at the photo at the start of the market day thread.They are big sweet and red.
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amanda says...
Too bad Mike. Yes peter - got the email - it may take me awhile - I am not very organised most days... ;)
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Hillshoister says...
Just letting you know, my banana passionfruit hadnt yielded in 5 years. A few months back, I buried a beef liver at the base and put a bucket of ash from the potbelly around the base of the plant. Within a month, it was covered with flowers (could have been just the right timing!)and is now popping out little green fruit all over it. They're about 2 inches long now! Thanks so much for this forums tips!!
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amelie says...
Hi,

My father planted passion fruits nearly a year. Currently have some fruits but 50 will turn as shown in photo, later the fruits will be wrinkles and fall.
Can anyone please tell me whats wrong?
disease or lack of nutrient ?
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Scintilla says...
My neighbours passionfruit looks much less invasive than my grafted Nellie Kelly which is continuing to send up suckers all over the place.Her leaves are bigger and glossier.
Do you think I could strike a cutting from it and if so how and when?
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Julie says...
Scintilla, do you think you could post a photo? It sounds like your passionfruit is coming from below the graft.

If the leaves are very different to your neighbour's, I suspect it's not worth keeping. Or did you mean a cutting from your neighbour's vine?
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Scintilla says...
Thanks for reply.
I know my vine is sending up suckers from below the graft and as far away as 3 or 4 metres.
I was wondering about taking a cutting from my neighbour's vine whic looks to be a much better soecimen.
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Julie says...
Someone else can probably advise you on cuttings, but I do know people who have had great success growing from seed. Why not have a go?
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amanda says...
passionfruit vines will grow from cuttings :) Maybe someone else knows how easy...?

There is little advantage over seed grown (from a good vine) as far as I know...?
(A clone is always a guarantee tho..)
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notpmega says...
Hi,
Great forum- found it very helpful!
I planted a black passionfruit and a yellow passionfruit that I bought from Bunnings about 8 months ago.

I'm a novice gardener to say the least, and stupidly I planted both plants in a large pot. One plant is doing very well so far.

The other has curled leaves, and fine white lines on the underneath of the leaves. New growth seems to be shrunken.

I'm really worried that this plant has woodiness virus or mosaic virus and that this will spread to the healthy plant.

Should I just uproot it? It's not very big yet. If anyone has a suggestion on how to solve this problem without uprooting that would be great.

Thanks!
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notpmega says...
Pictures didn't work the first time
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Jen says...
hi,
which passionfruit is sweetest? The Nelly Kelly, Panama Gold or Panama Red?

Also are thethe Panama ones frost restitant?
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Mike says...
The flavicarpas won't get sweet properly in Canberra as they are a tropical/sub tropical passionfruit.They will not handle frost well.Some P.edulis may struggle through winter and there are other species like P.ligularis that taste good and are fairly cold tolerant.
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one post above! says...
Thanks for that :)

Can you tell me if is it possible to train a passionfruit vine to grow in one driection? I would like it to grow along the fence, however I cannot place it in the middle of the fence, only the the far right side.

Would it be possible for the vine to grow only to the left or would the plant want to vine out to the left and right?

Thanks again
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Brendan says...
I know it's very hard to make them grow downhill, I've tried many times, but they just turn around and grow uphill :-) (true)
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denise1 says...
Is there room to plant pawpaws as a barrier to keep growth of P/F on one side? Once I had a nelly kelly grafted onto P flavicarpa or similar and it grew and produced for 12 years.
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Sandi says...
Can anyone identify the passionfruit shown in the pics. The fruit is very similar to P. ligularis, but the leaf is different,i.e. ligularis is heart shaped and has hair like growths on the leaf stem, whereas the other one has white knobs. Possibly the flower is also different (haven't any P.ligularis pics yet).
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Sandi says...
Here is a pic of the fruit...
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mayka says...
i have the same iss
ue and its because the graft did not develop and the shoots took over. so you actually are growing a variety that does not really fruit, as you lost the graft. common.
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mayka says...
your graft has not developed and shoots have taken over - most likely, especially if you have a differnt flower to one whihc you should and yellow occasional flower.
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Db says...
I'm looking to buy Panama Gold passion fruit vine soon, Daleys currently have cutting grown available but grafted is not available which I'm after.. Does anyone know how does cutting grown one grows and fruits as compared to grafted selection? Do I really need disease resistant rootstock?? Should I wait for grafted?
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BJ says...
Yes, get a grafted one. They are usually easily obtainable from any decent nursery and Bunnings... The Panama Perfection is also a good purple one.
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Db says...
Thanks BJ for the quick reply.. One more question - I'm looking for more sweet and tasty variety rather than sour... Is there anything better to consider apart from Panama gold? how is sweetness of Panama Perfection?
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Db says...
After reading lot of negative feedbacks in this thread regarding grafted passion fruit vine and due to unavailability of grafted variety in Daleys, I decided to buy cutting grown panama gold. Few days back I was ordering few other plants anyway from Daleys, so bought one cutting grown panama gold vine as well.

I would like to know how much fence area can be densely covered by one Panama gold vine? I have chicken wire attached on 2m fence, is one vine sufficient or do I need 2?
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Panama Gold is a heavy producer, I started hand pollinating in the first year it flowered (at around 18 months old) but I noticed fruit forming on parts of the vine where I couldn't reach so it must be self fertile. It's not overly vigourous and fairly easy to control, a single vine should produce ample fruit.
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Db says...
Thanks Phil, is yours grafted or cutting grown? I've read grafted is more vigorous due to rootstock but have problem of sending suckers and rootstock taking over, thats why I bought cutting grown but not sure how vigorous it will be and whether one vine will be sufficient or not to cover 2-2.5m fence.
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warren says...
Henry, same problem with me.........one vine produces, the other does not. I have learn't recently that in my area we have 2 main deficiencies in the soil......."potash" & "copper sulphate". I have had success with my macadamia & mango by adding these 2 elements. Copper sulphate helps produce an enzyme in the fruit that stops it from turning black & dropping off....so potash for flowering & copper sulphate to keep em on. I will let you know if i have success with my other vine as i have just treated it.
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Db says...
Cutting grown Panama gold vine that I received recently from Daleys seems to be vigorous, in only 8 days it had already put in 4-5 inch of new growth and it is still in its original pot, I've yet to plant it in ground.
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Db says...
My panama gold vine is in ground since last 7 days and its growing fast (1 inch of new growth every day).. But unfortunately something is eating leaves at night, I'm guessing its grasshoppers which i see sometime in garden now a days.. Half of the leaves are already eaten so I'm worried.. Yesterday morning I sprayed pest oil but it didn't help as more leaves got eaten overnight.. Is there anything I could spray that will help?
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wazza g says...
Try spraying neem oil Db, you can get at bunnings or health store. Better still get a neem tree,when bugs eat neem leaf it stops them reproducing. Also treat the ground with seasol around the vine roots.
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wazza g says...
I have the red passionfruit Db @ i think it is sweeter than panama however your soil might be letting you down........try adding volcanic rock mineral. Also new web site to check out.."loganfoodgardeners.org"i am a member(you'l learn heaps)
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Brain says...
Hi Db, I also have the same problem, my passionfruit leaves keeps getting eatten. But no sign of grasshopper. My guess is possums! Any leaves that reached to the top line of the fence gets eatten and I think that is part of the possum highway. Thankfully, only the passionfruit gets eatten (among with a bit of strawberry) and the rest of my plants are spared (for now).

I am tempted to set up a night vision system (as in wildlife docos) to find out the truth.

anyway, I'm told they even eat chilis so I'm tempted to spray chili oil to expand the mysterious creature's palate.
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peter 1000 says...
hi db/brian
id agree with it being possums.
phil has mentioned on other posts about
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Db says...
Thanks Brain n Peter for reply. But I don't think possums have caused it. I have not seen any possums here. If damage is by possum, it could have eaten my whole vine within a minute as my passionfruit vine is just 2 ft with only few leaves, not just 1 or 2 leaves each night, I purchased it only few days back. But I do see grasshoppers at night being summer. My night jasmine flower plant leaves also get eaten and I can see circular big holes around the edge of leaves.
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peter 1000 says...
put an apple next to your vine and if it is totally gone by the morning it
means you either have possoms or
really big grasshoppers.
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Rose says...
Hi Ya, your story I can completely relate to. I too was frustrated with my non grafted passionfruit (jumbo black). It was a prolific grower, covered in flowers but would not set fruit. I told my hubby it was coming out,after 3 years! Well, within two months of my threat it set it's first fruits 4-5 and I was skeptical but I waited. Glad I did because from that time on it has fruited non stop. Huge, rich, sweet, pulp filled passionfruit. I have collected approx 6 milk crates of fruit since it started fruiting currently with no let up in sight - 1 vine ! My advice; if it's healthy and flowering it will eventually set fruit -mine gets no special attention and is completly happy. Hang in there.
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sebastion says...
hi i have had my ned kelly black passionfruit tree in for 18 months now and is growing extreamly well. its the first time i have done it, i have it wired to a fence that spans about 10-12m and 2m tall and its about 30-50cm thick and in some parts is both sides of the fence.
the last 2 weeks it has the flowers have come up everywhere and about 20 or so small passionfruits. i was wondering if any one knew what the turn around time is to when they become ripe? any other info would be much appreciated aswell
ill get a pic for next time
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kety says...
hi i have heaps of passion fruit , we have been fortunate and have enjoyed so many this summer , but now even though the vine is still full they are beautiful and round but not changing from green to black is there anything we can do to help ripen them ?
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JohnMc1 says...
not really, the weather is starting to cool so the passionfruit that doesn't ripen and fall off now should hang on over winter and ripen up when it warms up again.
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sandy31 says...
I would like to grow a passionfruit vine in a pot ,panama red, but am getting conflicting information about whether or not it is possible.
Please suggest...
thanks in advance
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27th May 2014 8:59pm
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JohnMc1 says...
I have a passionfruit vine growing over the water tank in an 8" squat pot. It is connected to an automatic watering system so I don't have to remember to water every day. I'll take a pic of it in the morning and post it up here.
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Helena1 says...
I am not sure I this works or not as my passion fruit vine produces really well BUT I was told by a friend who owned an orchard that if you soak bread with milk and bury it close to the passion fruit vine it will assist the vine in producing. Have no idea how or why, but there you have it. The other thing I was told was to bury animal liver in the planting hole or close by. If you try any of these ideas, I would be interested to know how it goes.
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Helena1 says...
Hi, I live in Perth and my peach tree is laden with fruit, they are about the size of a man's thumb nail. Hope to get some decent fruit this year, as apposed to the last few years where I lost every single last fruit to insects. My apricot, nectarine, plum, and mango are all in flower. Looking forward to some nice fresh fruit.
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Paula says...
Hi Guys I have read about this problem on this forum a lot but did anybody worked out what works??my passion fruit is beautiful and healthy looking it gets beautiful flowers but after couple days they fall of and there is no fruit. It's happening this year again :( I gave it potash regularly and seasol even pollinated the flowers by my self but it's still happening. Did anyone with this problem succeeded? HELP Please ;)
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30th November 2014 9:01pm
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JohnMc1 says...
You certainly have a problem there Paula, you appear to be doing everything right, although I've heard that fertilizing at the wrong time can knock flowers off.

For those in warmer areas, I have some P. ligularis seedlings if anyone wants some, compliments of Jujube lucy.

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Chris says...
Does the qld fruit fly touch passionfruit?
My vine is healthy, but ripe (not shriveled) and semi ripe fruit are dropping.
There's no maggots inside but I'm not sure if they have been stung or not.
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meme says...
Hi everyone, I grow passionfruit and get upward of 100 fruit each year. I use Seasol every couple of months (1 cap to 9 litres water.) I also use compost as mulch on soil around base of plant and fertilise only about three times across growing season - spring/summer. If you fertilise too much you will get lots of green leafy growth at the expense of flowers. I also grown three different vines in close proximity - black/red panama & granadilla (strictly not a passionfruit but looks/tastes a similar. True passionfruit like iron and you can fix this by putting a lambs fry or beef liver into the planting hole when planting vine.
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RosalieAnne says...
The problem is the pH value of the water. It is either too high or too low.
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Boobialla says...
Troubleshooting - From the Nellie Kelly website:

My vine has lots of foliage and flowers, but doesn’t fruit.
1. Too much fertiliser
Over fertilising your passionfruit vine will result in plenty of lush green foliage but lazy flowers that fall off and do not fruit. We recommend fertilising your Nellie Kelly Passionfruit vine twice a year. Once in early spring after pruning, and again in autumn when fruiting has finished. Be wary of planting your vines too close to septic tanks or compost sites where they may have access to excess ‘food’. Applying rich compost to your vine can also count towards fertilising.

2. A lack of bees
Bees are required to cross-pollinate passionfruit flowers before fruit can form. Planting lavender near your Nellie Kelly will attract bees to your garden and increase your chances of fruit. Unfortunately, in many metropolitan areas urban sprawl has reduced bee activity and increasingly it is the gardener’s job to cross-pollinate.

To play the part of the absent bee, pick a flower from your vine and touch it to the other flowers using a downward swiping motion. This transfers pollen from one flower to the other and is best done at mid-morning.

My vine has lots of foliage but no flowers.
When a passionfruit vine has lots of foliage but no flowers, insufficient pruning at the start of spring is usually the problem. When a vine is pruned correctly there will be abundant flowers on the new year’s growth. Flowers and fruit will not form on old growth.

My vine produces small fruit, fruit with thick skins or fruit with no pulp

Lack of sufficient water to a fruiting passionfruit vine will result in sub-standard fruit. During hot summer months we recommend watering a 2 metre square area around the base of the vine on a daily basis where possible. You don’t need to soak the ground, just make it moist.
My passionflowers have ants in them
Ants in your flowers are no good. Kill them off with an organic insecticide like ‘Pyrethrum’ before they can do any damage.

My passionfruit vine has yellow leaves
Yellowing leaves on a passionfruit vine are usually caused by a lack of iron and nitrogen in the soil. A good feed of blood and bone or aged chicken manure will rectify this problem. ‘Winter yellows’ can also be brought on by cold weather, windy conditions or low humidity.

My passionfruit vine has curling leaves
An aphid infestation will cause leaves to curl and can send leaves yellow as the insects suck nutrients from the vine. Spray leaves with an organic insecticide like ‘Pyrethrum’.

My passionfruit vine has shoots below the graft

As with all grafted plant varieties, it is common for shoots to appear below the graft. When this happens it is essential for the growth to be removed or the rootstock will become dominant, depriving the fruiting top of the energy it needs to grow.
The blue passionfruit rootstock used by Nellie Kelly has a much thinner foliage than the black passionfruit, with brilliant blue flowers and soft-skinned, oval fruit that are orange with red pips. If this sounds like your passionfruit vine, then your rootstock has taken over. While the fruit is edible, it has very little pulp and a far tarter taste.

It is essential to remove any growth that appears below the graft, especially in the first 3 months after planting. Use a sharp blade or knife to cut off the growth, as this blinds the offending shoot and prevents any further growth from that site. Never tear or pull the growth off as this will cause multiple shoots to appear.

I have passionfruit suckers growing in my garden
Sometimes in coarse or sandy ground the fibrous root system of the grafted passionfruit vine will fracture and send up a sucker. Coarse ground can be caused by such things as pets digging around the base of your vine or the neighbour’s renovations disturbing the roots. These suckers may appear many metres away from the base of the vine, often in the middle of your garden bed or lawn. Passionfruit vines planted in pots will also sucker very badly.

As with shoots below the graft, cutting the sucker with a sharp knife will blind this point and prevent further suckers from appearing here again. Never pull or tear the suckers out as this will fracture the root system and cause multiple suckers to grow at this site.

If the suckers are out of control across your garden or the neighbour’s, the best solution is to cut the growth off at ground level and topically apply a weed killer to the cut sites. Be careful when doing this to suckers too close to the original vine (i.e. less than 10cm away) as you run the risk of killing the whole vine.


The grafted Nellie Kelly panama gold passionfruitThe grafted Nellie Kelly
panama gold passionfruit


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Gerry v says...
Hi Guys
I have a Nellie Kelly that produces a lot of fruit average size but they are only yellow and fall off vine
Do I need to add something to soil to turn fruit black
thanks
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brad16 says...
Hi Gerry,

If they are a Panama Gold selection from the 'Nellie Kelly' range, they won't turn black.

Nellie Kelly is a trade brand and they sell a few different varieties under that title. Their website is here: www.nelliekelly.com.au/passionfruit.html

Check your label that came with the plant you bought. I suspect you have a Nellie Kelly - Panama Gold.
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chickenSniffer says...
Hi folks,

I am hoping that someone can help with identification of my passionfruit plants?

Back in september last year I put some passionfruit seeds into six pots with horse manure for soil. Three pots for the purple variety and three for the yellow variety.

Due to being an absolute beginner gardener, it didn't actually occur to me at the time to label the pots with which colour passionfruit they were!
I also smooshed a couple whole purple passionfruit straight into the ground, not expecting much.

Three pots grew seedlings after a week and three failed to sprout anything at all. Back in December I transferred the three seedlings into the ground and they appear to be growing very well. (Picture 3) I think I even have some flower buds starting! (picture 4).

I have no idea whether they're the yellow passionfruit or the purple passionfruit so I'm super excited to see which ones I've got, but is there a way to identify the type by looking at the plant?

The passionfruit that I smooshed into the ground have also sprouted, but they're not growing very well, they're less than a quarter of the size of the potted ones that took off. (Picture 2)

I'm wondering if someone may be able to help me figure out why the smooshed ones aren't growing very well? The potential issue that I can see (but am not sure if it's the cause) is that there are a LOT of seeds that have sprouted and so they're densely packed together. (Picture 1) Is this the problem? Are they strangling each other? If so, what is the best approach to correct this? Can I try and pull some of them out and if so, will this kill the ones that I've removed, or will they survive being yanked and replanted? I'm hesitant to dig them up as I don't want to risk killing them all.

Thank you! :)
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9th April 2017 8:50am
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chickenSniffer says...
Bugger, I think my pictures got lost.
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9th April 2017 8:52am
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chickenSniffer says...
Actually.. I might ask another question if I may?

One of my passionfruit plants has stiff woody tendrils on one of its branches, the first branch that ever sprouted. From what I can tell, it just looks to be the one branch affected. The rest all have green tendrils that are pliable.

Can anyone tell me if this is normal? Or is there something wrong with this branch? Should it be cut off?

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blcn says...
I have a non grafted black passionfruit that flowers in the Autumn [March-April]the plant is healthy and with lots of flowers the only fertiliser I use is mushroom compost can you please explain why
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15th April 2017 4:25pm
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chickenSniffer says...
Well my 7-ish month old vines are doing really well and are growing fruit already. However, now it turns out that I am moving house. Bah.

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to dig the vines up and re-plant them at the new house? Or are they unlikely to survive the process?

Still no idea on which variety they are either but I'm hoping the fruit ripens before my move date so that it identifies itself!
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alabatusa says...
Ah that sucks chickensniffer.

From what i hear PF are hard to remove remove roots and all the vines which attach pretty well to your trellis.

People have had issues removing roots from the plant after 5 years. I say your best bet is to just bite the bullet and buy a new plant for your new place. It'll probably be cheaper. PF is relatively inexpensive(from daleys or your local bunnings)

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Julie says...
If your vine is growing fruit after 7 months, that's pretty fast. I would definitely start again with a new one if you can get it to grow at that rate!
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